Ahh, so that's the answer!

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What does everyone think? IMHO I think it's worth a shot and even if it doens't work, we're not going to be any worse off! :D

Although, it is a bit worrying when we're forced to resort to such drastic changes.

But I love this quote from fergie:

"He will be the best in the business there, I think. He is just phenomenal. He has to realise it himself."

Don't you just love the way fergie describes all our players as the best in world and the greatest and what have you? It always leaves me with a warm, fuzzy feeling. :) (despite the fact he's just stating the bleeding obvious) :p
 
At the moment we don't have a heartbeat.

No Scholes, No Keane, and Butt off yesterday. Why are we surprised we lost?

That's all our midfield battlers.

We've got the racehorses like Becks and Ruud etc. But it's all cosmetic.

Because of injuries and suspension, we're all fur coat and no knickers at the minute.

I'd be a lot more worried if we had those three available and were still playing badly. But yesterday, some of our football was a joy to watch. So we can do it. Just need to sustain it.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
<strong>We've got the racehorses like ... Ruud etc. </strong><hr></blockquote>

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Because of injuries and suspension, we're all fur coat and no knickers at the minute. <hr></blockquote>

So true. I mean, we are one hell of a fur coat. Look at that new kit, it is seriously sweet. I reckon in the fashion stakes, we have every one else beat to a pulp. You actually feel proud and suave wearing that little number! I always have to grimace when I see a barcode fan walking around looking like he had fallen asleep where they were painting a zebra crossing. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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:) Oops.

But you know what I meant.
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Seriously though, I'm pissed off with Alex's stubborness, its like he's not prepared to admit his mistakes. Scholes is great coming in deep from midfield, but he's not a striker, he's too short and will never be a turn your defender type, he can play in the hole somewhat, but he won't score much and the fact that he will be replacing a striker means that we will have one striker and still just one threat who can be marked.
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Seriously though, I'm pissed off with Alex's stubborness, its like he's not prepared to admit his mistakes. Scholes is great coming in deep from midfield, but he's not a striker, he's too short and will never be a turn your defender type, he can play in the hole somewhat, but he won't score much and the fact that he will be replacing a striker means that we will have one striker and still just one threat who can be marked.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Case in point: Juan Sebastian Veron.
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Originally posted by great_se7en:
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So true. I mean, we are one hell of a fur coat. Look at that new kit, it is seriously sweet. I reckon in the fashion stakes, we have every one else beat to a pulp. You actually feel proud and suave wearing that little number! I always have to grimace when I see a barcode fan walking around looking like he had fallen asleep where they were painting a zebra crossing. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Can someone explain to me though why it has a black horizontal line across the lower back? I hate that bit.
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Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
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Can someone explain to me though why it has a black horizontal line across the lower back? I hate that bit.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i think it helps let the air in.. the fabric underneath the line is different to the rest of the top.
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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i think it helps let the air in.. the fabric underneath the line is different to the rest of the top.</strong><hr></blockquote>
The players tuck it in though. Looks shit anyway.
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Actually - this might not be the usual crap from Planet Bollocks.

Re SAF stubborness...he seems determined to make a striker out of Scholes if it's the last thing he does !

IF that happens, and IF Veron starts producing the goods, THEN he will feel vindicated over the £28m Veron gamble.

Hence I predict that Scholes will be sold if he doesn't make it as a striker, if SAF has anything to do with it.

:(
 
Originally posted by Neil Thomson:
<strong>Seriously though, I'm pissed off with Alex's stubborness, its like he's not prepared to admit his mistakes. Scholes is great coming in deep from midfield, but he's not a striker, he's too short and will never be a turn your defender type, he can play in the hole somewhat, but he won't score much and the fact that he will be replacing a striker means that we will have one striker and still just one threat who can be marked.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Scholes is the best striker in the business..

Rio, Johnsen and OG are all the best centre back in the league..

None of your players use their elbows

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Fergie has got this one wrong. Scholes is NOT a striker. Good finisher yes, but not a striker.
Get Scholes beside Keano in CM when theyre both fit and lets get back to serious business again, showing the league what we're really made off.
PL is our bread & butter, Fergie needs to realise this and stop dicking about with the team. How can he expect them to do well in Europe if theyre not playing to their potential in the PL. The way to do that is to get the players back into the formation that they know how to play & each one of them knows what their role is.
4-4-2 with
Barthez
G Neville Blanc Ferdy Mickey
Becks Scholes Keano Giggsy
RVN Ole
This is our strongest team, playing in a formation theyre best at. Only drop a player when absolutely knackered/out of form/injured.
I would have no doubt then that we would end up top of the PL come next May. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" />
 
We have lost balance to our play. We used to be solid in defence, lightening quick in attack and players who were comfortable holding the ball to stop the opposition getting into a groove.
Sir Alex has focused to heavily on Europe and taken the Premier league for granted.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>Fergie has got this one wrong. Scholes is NOT a striker. Good finisher yes, but not a striker.
Get Scholes beside Keano in CM when theyre both fit and lets get back to serious business again, showing the league what we're really made off.
PL is our bread & butter, Fergie needs to realise this and stop dicking about with the team. How can he expect them to do well in Europe if theyre not playing to their potential in the PL. The way to do that is to get the players back into the formation that they know how to play & each one of them knows what their role is.
4-4-2 with
Barthez
G Neville Blanc Ferdy Mickey
Becks Scholes Keano Giggsy
RVN Ole
This is our strongest team, playing in a formation theyre best at. Only drop a player when absolutely knackered/out of form/injured.
I would have no doubt then that we would end up top of the PL come next May. <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Agreed, except I'd use JOS instead of Larry.

If this team could play together for a run of games, they would become a unit, and would be as good as anyone.
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On the question of Scholes, I suggested some time ago that he should be tried upfront with Ruud, or Ole if Ruud is injured or rested and vice versa. Paul was a striker in the youth set up and has all the qualities to be succesful there. He's scored plenty of goals over the years and would do even better in that area if played further up. It also solves the problem of where to fit him in if Veron, Keane and Butt are vying for the midfield places. It also solves the problem of the third striker situation which Fergie and the Plc are unable to resolve for a variety of reasons at the moment. Keeping him on the bench or sticking him on the wing is criminal imo. Don't underestimate Scholes - as a player he has everything and therefore can play virtually anywhere. All academic at the moment unfortunately
 
I know Scholes played there as a striker but for Fergie to suggest he can be the best there is utter nonsense. The boys been playing CM for about the last 6-8 years. He's always going to have the tendancy to drop back into midfield rather than staying upfront. Couple that with the fact he has no pace makes me think Fergies clutching at straws here. First we stick Scholesy on the left wing, then the hole, now up front. what next Rb or keeper?
get Veron out, & a fit Keane/Scholes combo in CM. United will reap the benefits once more.
 
Originally posted by golden_blunder:
<strong>I know Scholes played there as a striker but for Fergie to suggest he can be the best there is utter nonsense. The boys been playing CM for about the last 6-8 years. He's always going to have the tendancy to drop back into midfield rather than staying upfront. Couple that with the fact he has no pace makes me think Fergies clutching at straws here. First we stick Scholesy on the left wing, then the hole, now up front. what next Rb or keeper?
get Veron out, & a fit Keane/Scholes combo in CM. United will reap the benefits once more.</strong><hr></blockquote>

My guess is that Fergie doesn't know what to do. If you go with the view that Veron should go then Scholes can resume his midfield position. It would also free up cash to buy one maybe two strikers who are desperately needed. However,it also means we are back to square one as regards that extra bit of creativity needed in midfield to unlock those stubborn defences - the reason JSV was bought in the first place and in which role he has not really performed. I still regard Veron as a great player - why he doesn't perform effectively and consistently for us remains a mystery - probably more to do with tactics than anything else. Either way a decision should be made on the Veron/Scholes issue once Paul is fit and Keane returns.
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Originally posted by Davo:
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Scholes is the best striker in the business..

Rio, Johnsen and OG are all the best centre back in the league..

None of your players use their elbows

;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

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Veron's a F**king great player an all..... ;)

What fooling-no-one-gems are next I wonder?

"..Forlan's goal record is excellent.."
"..Phillip Neville is the best Central Midfielder in the League.."
"..Ruud Van Nistlerooy is playing better than he did last year.."

;)
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Its obvious to all that giggs, scholes, keane, beckham is your best midfield, but the longer Funguson believes it is not, and that he can do better with Butt/Stewart/p.neville/chadwick and playing scholes up front, the better.
 
Actually, I really think that Veron's talents are wasted in midfield. I'd like to see him replace Barthez as goalie. And maybe we can drop Becks back to partner Rio.

Hmmm, the possibilities are endless ;)
 
so this has turned into an ABU thread as well.
oh well, next thread...
 
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Originally posted by golden_blunder:
Fergie has got this one wrong. Scholes is NOT a striker. Good finisher yes, but not a striker.
Get Scholes beside Keano in CM when theyre both fit and lets get back to serious business again, showing the league what we're really made off.
PL is our bread & butter, Fergie needs to realise this and stop dicking about with the team. How can he expect them to do well in Europe if theyre not playing to their potential in the PL. The way to do that is to get the players back into the formation that they know how to play & each one of them knows what their role is.
4-4-2 with
Barthez
G Neville Blanc Ferdy Mickey
Becks Scholes Keano Giggsy
RVN Ole
This is our strongest team, playing in a formation theyre best at. Only drop a player when absolutely knackered/out of form/injured.
I would have no doubt then that we would end up top of the PL come next May.
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Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Agreed, except I'd use JOS instead of Larry.

If this team could play together for a run of games, they would become a unit, and would be as good as anyone.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Agree with you, Livvie. That's the team I'd like to see and the system I'd like to see us play.

It's so frustrating because I feel like we have the means to do really well, but we're just not utilising our players right. Individually, we've got incredibly gifted players. But rather than playing to their strengths, we're asking them to do things that don't come naturally to them. And as a result, they get unfairly tagged with the label of "having had a bad season". Scholesy is a prime example. He's a gem of a player who'd been delivering for us year in, year out. He was then forced to play as a second striker to RVN in a system that clearly didn't suit him, and was also played all over the pitch on the right and on the left...and surprise, surprise, he had a "bad" year.

And I'm starting to worry that the same thing is happening to Ruud this year. He's being forced to play as a lone striker in a system that doesn't play to his strengths. He looks jaded and tired already to me, because unlike last year, Fergie's using the system twice a week and Ruud isn't getting a rest. And some people are already talking about how bad of a season he's having. The poor guy's having to run himself into the ground every match, often playing against 2/3 defenders. Yes, he's missed a few chances early on...and unfortunately, I think he now has a problem with confidence. But with this system, the odds are stacked against him and it'll be doubly hard for him to play well and get his confidence back. I honestly think that Ruud's season would be almost magically transformed if he could have Ole playing next to him week in/week out...and not for Ole to be playing as a midfielder when he does play. (I mean, for heaven sakes, for me, Ole is the best finisher in the world. Why we play him and then waste him as a 5th midfielder is just beyond me...)
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