Adams tips us for title, but Arse can win CL

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United are tough enough for title

Tony Adams
Sunday December 8, 2002
The Observer

It was a bit of a surprise to see the newspapers yesterday all picking up my opinion from a Sky Sports interview that I thought Manchester United would beat Arsenal at Old Trafford. It was nice that I hadn't been forgotten.
It also occurred to me that I am still doing Arsenal's motivational work for them. It was an honestly held opinion. I had seen United working hard for each other in recent weeks and also believed Arsenal to be playing a little too openly, leaving defenders isolated. And so it was in United's 2-0 win, though it gives me little pleasure to be proved right.

I can now say publicly what I used to say to Arséne Wenger privately on occasion, that the most crucial area of any game is getting the numbers and balance right in midfield.

Freddie Ljungberg and Robert Pires are wonderful players going forward, but I don't think you can play them both away from home. I believe Arsenal are missing Ray Parlour. Much is said about the two central midfield players acting as shields for the back four, and Patrick Vieira and Man Utd Petit were certainly that when we won the Double in '98. But it has to come from elsewhere as well.

When Arsenal won at Old Trafford at the end of last season to clinch the Championship, Edu was also playing. Now, neither Parlour nor Edu may be technically as gifted as Ljungberg and Pires, but they do bring you a greater resilience.

United had it yesterday with Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs, also great attacking players, working hard to help out Juan Sebastian Veron, who played as well as I have seen him for United. What impressed me was the way his team-mates got him going. United thus looked to have more grit-and-determination players and there was a camaraderie to them, similar to that of Arsenal at the end of last season. Everyone was working for each other.
I was grateful not to be playing, so high was United's tempo, so eagerly were they pressing in pairs the Arsenal player in possession, right from the kick-off. There was too much of a burden on Vieira and Gilberto Silva and thus the Arsenal back four.

The Manchester United defence also impressed me. I personally think that Laurent Blanc is not the player he was and like the look of Mikael Silvestre in there. It was also noticeable how much Gary Neville cared and I think that transmitted itself to the rest of the team. The other full-back, John O'Shea, is a fantastic player in my opinion.

He is naturally a central defender, but took to the position well and brings the team a freshness that can give enthusiasm to the older players, in the way that I enjoyed the exuberance of Ashley Cole when he broke into the Arsenal team.

We saw glimpses of Arsenal's superior talent in patches, talent that makes them the most exciting team in the country,
but I remain convinced that the difference between first and second is resilience, especially away.

A consolation for Arsenal, though they have lost four league games, is that the top teams all look capable of taking points off each other. I still believe that they can win the Champions League, which in the knockout stages places a premium on talent, but in the Premiership, which is a test of endurance and stickability, Manchester United, my tip in these pages at the start of the season, are now looking ominous.
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This is just another example of why I like Tony Adams and have defended him against fellow Red Devils who call him a donkey. The man is fair and doesn`t let his Arsenal associations bias his opinions. Maybe there is a lesson in there for Arsene ..... :p :p :p :p
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>This is just another example of why I like Tony Adams </strong><hr></blockquote>

I couldn't stand Tony Adams - until the Becks World Cup incident when I read that he went into the dressing room after the game and gave Becks a cuddle.
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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I couldn't stand Tony Adams - until the Becks World Cup incident when I read that he went into the dressing room after the game and gave Becks a cuddle.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, Becks is quite handsome...
 
Originally posted by Amir:
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Well, Becks is quite handsome...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Have you seen the Vodaphone ad?? Becks is bloody gorgeous! What a smile.
 
I saw his interview in the paper before the match yesterday. And after the match, I was thinking he got it absolutely spot on. Good thing Wenger disagreed with him about the right tactics for the match.

I'm a big admirer of Tony's...for what he's overcome in his life, how he comforted Becks during the World Cup, for defending Keano this summer.

Hopefully, he's also going to be proven right about which team's going to win the league this year. :)
 
It was also noticeable how much Gary Neville cared and I think that transmitted itself to the rest of the team. The other full-back, John O'Shea, is a fantastic player in my opinion. He is naturally a central defender, but took to the position well and brings the team a freshness that can give enthusiasm to the older players,
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Yep, totally agree with this and Rio has to come back and Blanc as well!
 
Originally posted by Red15:
<strong>I saw his interview in the paper before the match yesterday. And after the match, I was thinking he got it absolutely spot on. Good thing Wenger disagreed with him about the right tactics for the match.

I'm a big admirer of Tony's...for what he's overcome in his life, how he comforted Becks during the World Cup, for defending Keano this
summer.

Hopefully, he's also going to be proven right about which team's going to win the league this year. :) </strong><hr></blockquote>


but we have to hope he got it wrong abt arse winning the CL...


:rolleyes:
 
Don't know whether i should regard Adams as a prick.

For him to say that he used to question Arsene's choice of tactics privately, and now publicising it for the whole world to know.. i don't think the arse fans will swallow this one easy.

I imagine Arsene would also be a little bit uncomfortable with this article.

i know i would if an ex-United player came out to say something like this about SAF while he's still at the helm.
 
I think that ex players who genuinely have an opinion that differs from the official club line have every right to express that opinion in a constructive way.

That was what the controversy over Pancho Pearson was about - he didn`t toe the line of Sir Alex. MU should be grateful that loyal ex servats such as Pancho air their honest opinions.However, there IS a difference between Tony writing in a paper - he is employed by the paper and not by Arsenal.

I don`t think any manager, not Sir Alex, not Arsene, etc, should be attempting to censor what are genuine, constructive opinions from ex players. Managers must cultivate a thicker skin and also realise just where those ex players are coming from.

Pearson and Adams are constructive but call it as they see it - they are not going to crawl up somebody`s arse (he, he no pun intended) to please the powers that be at their old clubs. Good on them!
 
Originally posted by giggsgirl:
<strong>I think that ex players who genuinely have an opinion that differs from the official club line have every right to express that opinion in a constructive way.

That was what the controversy over Pancho Pearson was about - he didn`t toe the line of Sir Alex. MU should be grateful that loyal ex servats such as Pancho air their honest opinions.However, there IS a difference between Tony writing in a paper - he is employed by the paper and not by Arsenal.

I don`t think any manager, not Sir Alex, not Arsene, etc, should be attempting to censor what are genuine, constructive opinions from ex players. Managers must cultivate a thicker skin and also realise just where those ex players are coming from.

Pearson and Adams are constructive but call it as they see it - they are not going to crawl up somebody`s arse (he, he no pun intended) to please the powers that be at their old clubs. Good on them!</strong><hr></blockquote>

the main difference between the two IMO is that Pearson never played under SAF.. so what he said would be as justified as what Charlton or Best says..

However, in the case of Adams.. he played under Arsene.. and while Arsene is still in charge, i don't think it's very nice of Adams to discredit the club's manager in such a way..
 
Originally posted by RUnited:
<strong>Don't know whether i should regard Adams as a prick.

For him to say that he used to question Arsene's choice of tactics privately, and now publicising it for the whole world to know.. i don't think the arse fans will swallow this one easy.

I imagine Arsene would also be a little bit uncomfortable with this article.

i know i would if an ex-United player came out to say something like this about SAF while he's still at the helm.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think it was in Saturday's article that I read where Adams said that he's expressed his opinions to Wenger privately. So, he wasn't saying anything in public that he hadn't already said to Wenger in private. In the same article, Wenger basically said he respected Adams' opinion, although he disagreed with them. From what I've read about Wenger and Adams, I think there's a lot of mutual respect there. I don't think it's going to be a problem with them. With Adams, he's always going to call it as he sees it...no mincing of words.

Although Arsenal fans aren't going to be happy with his comments, Adams is Arsenal through and through and I think he's actually trying to help the team. He thinks there's a problem there, has identified it in the hopes that things will be changed.
 
Originally posted by Dominant:
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but we have to hope he got it wrong abt arse winning the CL...


:rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, well I like him. But he's not right about everything. :)
 
Originally posted by Red15:
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I think it was in Saturday's article that I read where Adams said that he's expressed his opinions to Wenger privately. So, he wasn't saying anything in public that he hadn't already said to Wenger in private. In the same article, Wenger basically said he respected Adams' opinion, although he disagreed with them. From what I've read about Wenger and Adams, I think there's a lot of mutual respect there. I don't think it's going to be a problem with them. With Adams, he's always going to call it as he sees it...no mincing of words.

Although Arsenal fans aren't going to be happy with his comments, Adams is Arsenal through and through and I think he's actually trying to help the team. He thinks there's a problem there, has identified it in the hopes that things will be changed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

i still thought Adams should NOT have quoted himself as saying that "he has discussed this with Wenger, and Wenger turned it down" - because basically he's now a crying baby, venting his feelings public about the fact that the gaffer didn't listen to him and will now have some problems.

He could have left that bit out. I still don't think Arsene would have liked the comment as it surely has discredited him and exposed Arsenal's weakness to the other teams.

and yes, i think you're right, the fans are not going to be too happy with it.

anywho, why should i complain, it seems Arsene's arrogance has done him justified with their loss against us! :D
 
Originally posted by Livvie20:
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Have you seen the Vodaphone ad?? Becks is bloody gorgeous! What a smile.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Thick as two short planks though, it would be like having a relationship with a rubber doll surely? Great conversation you would have. ;)