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frostbite

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After watching the magnificent Real Madrid beat City 3-2, a game I really enjoyed, I asked AI about money spent and revenue between 2022-2025. Here are the results, I am not 100% sure if they are correct.

How is it possible that we have wasted so much money and we still don't have a the minimum two or three world class players? (Perhaps Bruno, Amad and Mainoo, but we did not buy these players in that 2022-25 time span, right? )

This is not just being unlucky, this is incompetence of the highest degree!


Real Madrid's spending for the relevant seasons:
2022-23: €81.9m1
2023-24: €128m1
2024-25: €49m1
Total spending for Real Madrid from 2022 to 2025: €258.9m

Manchester United's spending for the relevant seasons:
2022-23: €238m3
2023-24: €193.3m3
2024-25: €214.5m3
Total spending for Manchester United from 2022 to 2025: €645.8m

Real Madrid revenue
2022-23: €843 million
2023-24: €1.073 billion (€1,073 million)
2024-25: €1.13 billion (€1,130 million) (budgeted)
Real Madrid has shown significant growth in revenue over this period, becoming the first football club to surpass €1 billion in annual revenue in the 2023-24 season18.

Manchester United revenue
2022-23: €771 million (£638.6 million)
2023-24: €770.6 million (£638.3 million)
2024-25: €771-795 million (£650-670 million) (forecasted)
Manchester United's revenue has remained relatively stable over this period, with a slight decrease in 2023-24 and a modest projected increase for 2024-25216.
 
frostbite said:
After watching the magnificent Real Madrid beat City 3-2, a game I really enjoyed, I asked AI about money spent and revenue between 2022-2025. Here are the results, I am not 100% sure if they are correct.

How is it possible that we have wasted so much money and we still don't have a the minimum two or three world class players? (Perhaps Bruno, Amad and Mainoo, but we did not buy these players in that 2022-25 time span, right? )

This is not just being unlucky, this is incompetence of the highest degree!


Real Madrid's spending for the relevant seasons:
2022-23: €81.9m1
2023-24: €128m1
2024-25: €49m1
Total spending for Real Madrid from 2022 to 2025: €258.9m

Manchester United's spending for the relevant seasons:
2022-23: €238m3
2023-24: €193.3m3
2024-25: €214.5m3
Total spending for Manchester United from 2022 to 2025: €645.8m

Real Madrid revenue
2022-23: €843 million
2023-24: €1.073 billion (€1,073 million)
2024-25: €1.13 billion (€1,130 million) (budgeted)
Real Madrid has shown significant growth in revenue over this period, becoming the first football club to surpass €1 billion in annual revenue in the 2023-24 season18.

Manchester United revenue
2022-23: €771 million (£638.6 million)
2023-24: €770.6 million (£638.3 million)
2024-25: €771-795 million (£650-670 million) (forecasted)
Manchester United's revenue has remained relatively stable over this period, with a slight decrease in 2023-24 and a modest projected increase for 2024-25216.
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I know there's a bigger picture in what you've said but that's transfer fees only and Madrid probably gave Mbappe about 100 million in signing fees with agent etc.
 
Real went through an incredible run of business in recent years. Vinicius and Rodrigo were brilliant finds. They also acted fast on young talent around europe and were bringing them into a brilliant set up of functional football.
 
You have to give it Madrid, they have been excellent at capitalising on their success in recent years. They’ve created an incredibly desirable brand that a whole generation of young players now consider their dream destination. Yes, they’ve always been desirable but there is now a clear gap, even to their rivals Barcelona who you could argue were the top dogs for a while before they became skint. In recent years they’ve been able to cherry pick the likes of Camavinga and Arda Guler who were two wonderkids with low release clauses. They also have an advantage when shopping in Brazil due to the success of Vini Jr and Rodrygo coming through. And they even have the power to drive top players to run down their contracts so they can sign them for free like Trent.

Football needs Madrid to have a few years of not winning the CL so this PR campaign of them being the kings of the CL dies down a bit. Seeing Bayern, Inter or any underdog grab a CL would be great for European football generally (not PSG though, they can do one). The issue as a Utd fan right now is that the best shots at stopping them are probably Liverpool and City, so as much as I can’t stand the arrogance of Madrid, the thought of City and Liverpool winning sickens me more.
 
frostbite said:
After watching the magnificent Real Madrid beat City 3-2, a game I really enjoyed, I asked AI about money spent and revenue between 2022-2025. Here are the results, I am not 100% sure if they are correct.

How is it possible that we have wasted so much money and we still don't have a the minimum two or three world class players? (Perhaps Bruno, Amad and Mainoo, but we did not buy these players in that 2022-25 time span, right? )

This is not just being unlucky, this is incompetence of the highest degree!


Real Madrid's spending for the relevant seasons:
2022-23: €81.9m1
2023-24: €128m1
2024-25: €49m1
Total spending for Real Madrid from 2022 to 2025: €258.9m

Manchester United's spending for the relevant seasons:
2022-23: €238m3
2023-24: €193.3m3
2024-25: €214.5m3
Total spending for Manchester United from 2022 to 2025: €645.8m

Real Madrid revenue
2022-23: €843 million
2023-24: €1.073 billion (€1,073 million)
2024-25: €1.13 billion (€1,130 million) (budgeted)
Real Madrid has shown significant growth in revenue over this period, becoming the first football club to surpass €1 billion in annual revenue in the 2023-24 season18.

Manchester United revenue
2022-23: €771 million (£638.6 million)
2023-24: €770.6 million (£638.3 million)
2024-25: €771-795 million (£650-670 million) (forecasted)
Manchester United's revenue has remained relatively stable over this period, with a slight decrease in 2023-24 and a modest projected increase for 2024-25216.
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Tbh you don’t really need to ask AI whether United have wasted money on crap players.
 
On a semi-related note…I think we should run our scouting department completely through AI. Humans have tried and failed even with/without manager influence.
 
DRJosh said:
On a semi-related note…I think we should run our scouting department completely through AI. Humans have tried and failed even with/without manager influence.
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Guaranteed even our "AI" will be shit

Didn't we hire couple of genius "data science" something somethings in past years? WTF did they produce? Has anybody listened to them for anything or have they been trash?

Considering the kindof things data science is usually used for at major clubs.... Our transfers may as well be run by monkeys, our injury prevention has been criminally horrible, and clearly there is next to no reliance on data for tactical preparation for team selection since it's been manager-bias galore.
 
frostbite said:
After watching the magnificent Real Madrid beat City 3-2, a game I really enjoyed, I asked AI about money spent and revenue between 2022-2025. Here are the results, I am not 100% sure if they are correct.

How is it possible that we have wasted so much money and we still don't have a the minimum two or three world class players? (Perhaps Bruno, Amad and Mainoo, but we did not buy these players in that 2022-25 time span, right? )

This is not just being unlucky, this is incompetence of the highest degree!


Real Madrid's spending for the relevant seasons:
2022-23: €81.9m1
2023-24: €128m1
2024-25: €49m1
Total spending for Real Madrid from 2022 to 2025: €258.9m

Manchester United's spending for the relevant seasons:
2022-23: €238m3
2023-24: €193.3m3
2024-25: €214.5m3
Total spending for Manchester United from 2022 to 2025: €645.8m

Real Madrid revenue
2022-23: €843 million
2023-24: €1.073 billion (€1,073 million)
2024-25: €1.13 billion (€1,130 million) (budgeted)
Real Madrid has shown significant growth in revenue over this period, becoming the first football club to surpass €1 billion in annual revenue in the 2023-24 season18.

Manchester United revenue
2022-23: €771 million (£638.6 million)
2023-24: €770.6 million (£638.3 million)
2024-25: €771-795 million (£650-670 million) (forecasted)
Manchester United's revenue has remained relatively stable over this period, with a slight decrease in 2023-24 and a modest projected increase for 2024-25216.
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Watching the match took me 20 years when Real Madrid and Man Utd were neck and neck as two of the most dominant clubs. Madrid played exciting football back then and are a more dominant team now. Its amazing what a difference leadership can make.
 
We didnt even know what we're buying despite having the same manager coaching them before they joined.

I'm started to think there's brown envelope involved. It's traversty

Whole scouting departement needs to be replaced
 
Sky1981 said:
We didnt even know what we're buying despite having the same manager coaching them before they joined.

I'm started to think there's brown envelope involved. It's traversty

Whole scouting departement needs to be replaced
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I often hear stories about our scouting department recommending really good players and being ignored. I'm not saying you're wrong because you never know what is true but it may be the case that we need to actually listen to our scouting department a bit more.
 
Curious as to why you think Mainoo and Amad are world class?

At the moment they are inconsistent youngsters just like Gernacho. They may or may not become top players, they all have great displays and displays that we might want to to forget.
 
DRJosh said:
On a semi-related note…I think we should run our scouting department completely through AI. Humans have tried and failed even with/without manager influence.
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DarkLord1984 said:
Could hardly be any worse than what we've had!
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I asked ChatGPT to suggest some signings for United bearing in mind both financial constraints and who they can likely attract given their current performance this season.

1. Evan Ndicka
2. Emmanuel Kone
3. Rasmus Hojlund (apparently still plays for Atalanta)
4. Jeremie Frimpong
5. Sofyan Amrabat

Frimpong isn't a bad suggestion so I'd say 1/5? Better than the current scouting team's hit rate probably! This could be Sir Jim's latest money-saving scheme...
 
DannyCAFC said:
I asked ChatGPT to suggest some signings for United bearing in mind both financial constraints and who they can likely attract given their current performance this season.

1. Evan Ndicka
2. Emmanuel Kone
3. Rasmus Hojlund (apparently still plays for Atalanta)
4. Jeremie Frimpong
5. Sofyan Amrabat
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This is no longer hallucinating, that’s delusion :lol:
 
You can't compare though because la liga tv rights are basically set up to never let Real/Barca fail.
Compare us to other PL teams, it is bad but there are a lot of teams who have thrown huge amounts of money at their teams - we just happen to have had the worst recruitment possible.
 
DannyCAFC said:
I asked ChatGPT to suggest some signings for United bearing in mind both financial constraints and who they can likely attract given their current performance this season.

1. Evan Ndicka
2. Emmanuel Kone
3. Rasmus Hojlund (apparently still plays for Atalanta)
4. Jeremie Frimpong
5. Sofyan Amrabat

Frimpong isn't a bad suggestion so I'd say 1/5? Better than the current scouting team's hit rate probably! This could be Sir Jim's latest money-saving scheme...
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Not entirely sure I would put it past us to try and sign Rasmus Holund from ourselves.
 
Has anyone posed the question of whether the glazers are actually tight with what they let us spend or not?

73,000 people have? Ok. As you were.
 
Did anyone notice that Real Madrid's revenue is growing and the gap with our revenue is growing, too? Which is expected of course, since we don't qualify for CL, and we haven't won the PL for ages.

The main reason Man Utd still has so much revenue is us, the fans. Man Utd is still one of the most popular teams in the world, which attracts advertisers.
 
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