About Cissé : a french point of view

John-John John

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I just want to say that Cissé is not interesting. What are his qualities ? He has a great speed and scores alot in French League.
But in fact he is not really good in the game, he is not technically very good, he has only a right foot, and never scores with the left foot and with the head.
And he is too much mediatic for his young age.

That's why I think Cissé will be the new Anelka : within 2 years he will have lost his speed, and the defences will know him better. He will deceive the big club which will have bought him, then he'll have to change his team every 6 months, without anymore success.

I hope Lemerre will bring him in Asia, because he won't be good a very long time after that.

In Auxerre Olivier Kapo or Teemu Tainio (even if he is quite violent because of Guy Roux influence) are really better, and have a great potential.
Other young french attackers, for example Govou, Luyindula (Lyon), Vahirua, Ahamada (Nantes), or Malbranque (Fulham) are better for the future of their teams too.

Cissé will probably leave Auxerre this summer, for no more than 10 millions €, but that won't be a good deal.
 
The world according to John3.

Cisse, Akinbyi etc...
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Is my english SO bad ??? :confused: :confused:

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will you be here for your crow tomorrow night?
 
No I can't. Wish I could :( ... Old Trafford ... :rolleyes:

Hope I'll have time to watch the game on television :eek:
 
Originally posted by John-John John:
<strong>No I can't. Wish I could :( ... Old Trafford ... :rolleyes:

Hope I'll have time to watch the game on television :eek: </strong><hr></blockquote>


crow as in being on here (redcafe) after weve taught you a lesson
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Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong> shame we can't understand him(joke celine) ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

I understand him...maybe my english is better than yours ??? ;)
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Originally posted by Celine:
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I understand him...maybe my english is better than yours ??? ;) </strong><hr></blockquote>

he hates us for some reason(read some of his posts).. and he complains about stick given to him.. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by giggzy:
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he hates us for some reason(read some of his posts).. and he complains about stick given to him.. :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

he loves his team and overrates them ... apart from that hes clueless
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I don't hate anybody!

And this topic was about Cissé, not about Nantes!

I think tomorrow's match will be great, even if we lost it. Because it is great for Nantes to meet Manchester Utd. But I really think Nantes could do something good in OT.
 
Originally posted by giggzy:
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he hates us for some reason(read some of his posts).. and he complains about stick given to him.. :rolleyes: </strong><hr></blockquote>

He doesn't hate you. Read some things that some people have answered him, it was far worse.
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Originally posted by Jens:
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crow as in being on here (redcafe) after weve taught you a lesson</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't be over confident. Nantes are unpredictable and do better in Europe than in the French championship.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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He doesn't hate you. Read some things that some people have answered him, it was far worse.</strong><hr></blockquote>

read some of his posts...


two people have given him abuse..which was well out of order..but the majority have slated them!
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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Don't be over confident. Nantes are unpredictable and do better in Europe than in the French championship.</strong><hr></blockquote>

we´ll beat em tomorrow night ... no worries
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Originally posted by John-John John:
<strong>I just want to say that Cissé is not interesting. What are his qualities ? He has a great speed and scores alot in French League.
But in fact he is not really good in the game, he is not technically very good, he has only a right foot, and never scores with the left foot and with the head.
And he is too much mediatic for his young age.

That's why I think Cissé will be the new Anelka : within 2 years he will have lost his speed, and the defences will know him better. He will deceive the big club which will have bought him, then he'll have to change his team every 6 months, without anymore success.

I hope Lemerre will bring him in Asia, because he won't be good a very long time after that.

In Auxerre Olivier Kapo or Teemu Tainio (even if he is quite violent because of Guy Roux influence) are really better, and have a great potential.
Other young french attackers, for example Govou, Luyindula (Lyon), Vahirua, Ahamada (Nantes), or Malbranque (Fulham) are better for the future of their teams too.

Cissé will probably leave Auxerre this summer, for no more than 10 millions €, but that won't be a good deal.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Back to the original point which was Cisse.

I've seen him a couple of times, and a lot of highlights I might add, so I'm no expert on him... but he is fast, spectacular and very young.

I reckon he'd do well in PL.

As far as Anelka... it's clearly a case of a talented bloke destroyed by greed and larger-than-life complexes.
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As you say, he is fast. But he won't be as fast at 25 as at 19. That's why I'm sure his technical limits will be the problem for him in a few years.
 
Originally posted by John-John John:
I just want to say that Cissé is not interesting. What are his qualities ?

Stunning pace, as strong as a bull, great with the ball at his feet, can go past players, amazingly powerful shot, good vision, ability to hold up the ball, agility, passing ability, etc

Technically not good?? maybe he's not as articulate as Henry but saying that technically he's not good?? that's bollocks.

No left foot?? you make it out as if his left peg is only for standing purposes and again that's incorrect, true, he'd rather have a go with his right than with his left but I've seen him score with his left more than once.

His aerial ability is still not as good as it should be but that's natural with young players.

He might turn out the new Anelka but I don't think he will. I think he's more of a Becks. A fashion buff who does strange shite off the pitch but a good professional who works hard on the pitch and gets on with his job, not a sulky wanker like Anelka.
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Roy, I think you musn't have seen many games of Cissé. Or maybe only his best chances.
Cissé is really not very good technically. And a player never remain so speed during his whole career. And that's the best -or maybe only- quality of Cissé.
His vision of the game is really bad !!! He only sees the goal, he wants to score, but if another player is better setted to do that, he never gives him the ball. He does that sort of mistake on every match!
 
Originally posted by John-John John:
<strong>Roy, I think you musn't have seen many games of Cissé. Or maybe only his best chances.
Cissé is really not very good technically. And a player never remain so speed during his whole career. And that's the best -or maybe only- quality of Cissé.
His vision of the game is really bad !!! He only see the goal, he wants to score, but if another player his better setted to do that, he never gives him the ball. He does that sort of mistake on every match!</strong><hr></blockquote>


So according to you he's Stevie Wonder on crutches.
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Originally posted by John-John John:
<strong>As you say, he is fast. But he won't be as fast at 25 as at 19. That's why I'm sure his technical limits will be the problem for him in a few years.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you think Henry is less fast now than 5 years ago ? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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Originally posted by John-John John:
<strong>Roy, I think you musn't have seen many games of Cissé. Or maybe only his best chances.
Cissé is really not very good technically. And a player never remain so speed during his whole career. And that's the best -or maybe only- quality of Cissé.
His vision of the game is really bad !!! He only see the goal, he wants to score, but if another player his better setted to do that, he never gives him the ball. He does that sort of mistake on every match!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mate, I've been following Cisse for over 6 years now...First saw him as a 15-year-old for France...he's come on leaps and bounds in the last 2-3 years...I think that moving on to a tougher league will even further improve him...

You seem to forget the lad is only what, 20?

You expect him to be the finished article, look at others his age and see how good they were....Henry and Trezeguet were not better at his age, I'd even say they were a lot less impressive. Just look back to Henry and Trezeguet in the last World Cup and see how mediocre they were.
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But Henry and Trézéguet had a great potential. And Henry was not considered as a striker before he signed in Arsenal. Anelka was considered as a top-class striker in 99, and see what he is now.

You can think what you want, but Cissé won't be better than what he is now, and will probably become a deception for everybody (even for me, because he is french after all).
Kapo will make better. I think that (but I may think wrong...).
 
Originally posted by Roy:
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Just look back to Henry and Trezeguet in the last World Cup and see how mediocre they were.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They weren't mediocre and they hadn't even played every game.

Henry : 3 goals, one penalty
Trezeguet : one goal, one decive pass, one penalty.
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Originally posted by John-John John:
<strong>But Henry and Trézéguet had a great potential. And Henry was not considered as a striker before he signed in Arsenal. Anelka was considered as a top-class striker in 99, and see what he is now.

You can think what you want, but Cissé won't be better than what he is now, and will probably become a deception for everybody (even for me, because he is french after all).
Kapo will make better. I think that (but I may think wrong...).</strong><hr></blockquote>


Remember when the journalists were praising Anelka and burying Henry and Trezeguet (after England-France in 99).
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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They weren't mediocre and they hadn't even played every game. </strong><hr></blockquote>

just had the same argument with him on msn

mediocre = not outstanding

they didnt do anything in the knockoutstages tho

ill never ever understand why jacquet kept starting guivarch, who did feck all
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Originally posted by John-John John:
<strong>But Henry and Trézéguet had a great potential. And Henry was not considered as a striker before he signed in Arsenal. Anelka was considered as a top-class striker in 99, and see what he is now.

You can think what you want, but Cissé won't be better than what he is now, and will probably become a deception for everybody (even for me, because he is french after all).
Kapo will make better. I think that (but I may think wrong...).</strong><hr></blockquote>

And what is it exactly that leads you to believe Cisse doesn't have great potential, as opposed to Trezeguet and Henry? Is it the fact that he won the European U-18 championship with France just like Trezeguet and Henry? or is it the fact that he was fantastic in the U-20 World Cup like Trezeguet and Henry or maybe it is the fact that he's leading the French scoring charts, erm, like Trezeguet and Henry??

Judging by the improvement Cisse has made during the last 2-3 years I think there's a great chance of him improving further. 3 or so years ago he was A LOT more limited than he is today. He found it much harder to go past players, physically he was a lot less impressive and even his pace was a bit less impressive back then.

Regarding Kapo...he is a very talented player indeed. I actually see his future in centre midfield, like he plays for France. His strength, passing ability, powerful shot, good vision and ability to get stuck in will make him an excellent CM.
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Originally posted by John-John John:
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You can think what you want, but Cissé won't be better than what he is now, and will probably become a deception for everybody (even for me, because he is french after all).
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I don't agree with you. He can progress. One never knows and it's impossible to know what he will do in the future.
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Originally posted by Elfie:
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They weren't mediocre and they hadn't even played every game.

Henry : 3 goals, one penalty
Trezeguet : one goal, one decive pass, one penalty.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Describing them as mediocre was perhaps a bit over the top but their overall ability was certainly a lot less impressive than today's and I think it's fair to say they were hardly outstanding during the World Cup.
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Jacquet kept Guivarc'h because he needed 23 guys. He kept Diomède too <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> .
There was Vairelles who could have been in the list instead of Guivarc'h, but he had not enough experience, and he is not really better.
 
id have started henry or trezeguet over guivarch


guivarch is and was rubbish
 
JJJ keeps reffering to Anelka as an example of a flop and indeed Anelka has been a flop but he has been a flop because of mental reasons, because of his shite sulky personality, not because of the fact that he lacks talent or ability or anything of that sort.

No one knows how Cisse will turn out, maybe he will turn out an Henry, maybe he'll turn out an Anelka and maybe something completely different but talent-wise, he's as good as anyone out there.
 
Elfie you say nobody knows what Cissé will do in future.
You're right. That's why I say Cissé will PROBABLY not be a world-class striker, as Titi , Trézégoal or RVN.
BUT the fact is that he is not very good technically, and he doesn't have a very good vision of the game. Govou is really better, for example.

That's why I say that, even if his performances are quite impressive, he is not ready to sign in a big club like Manchester or Liverpol, for the moment.
Liverpool has made something more intelligent, with Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec (Le Havre) : they will play in French League a few years before their transfer.
 
Originally posted by John-John John:
<strong>Elfie you say nobody knows what Cissé will do in future.
You're right. That's why I say Cissé will PROBABLY not be a world-class striker, as Titi , Trézégoal or RVN.
BUT the fact is that he is not very good technically, and he doesn't have a very good vision of the game. Govou is really better, for example.

That's why I say that, even if his performances are quite impressive, he is not ready to sign in a big club like Manchester or Liverpol, for the moment.
Liverpool has made something more intelligent, with Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec (Le Havre) : they will play in French League a few years before their transfer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sinama-Pongolle and Le Tallec will move to Liverpool for the 2003/2004 season. Which means that by the time they move they have played this current season (01/02, they hardly play mind you) and the next one...so 1 full season before their move...


If Cisse moves this summer it's after playing 2 full seasons for Auxerre+1 season where he played about 10 games...

You're not making sense sonny
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Cisse is more than ready to move to a better league...

Physically he's in great condition, he's topscorer in France (or thereabouts) and he's likely to make France's World Cup squad.

Another year in France would be a waste IMO.
 
Last season, Cissé was more usually on the bench, and Guivarc'h was playing.
Are you sure Le Tallec and Sinama will move to Liverpool next year ? I think they will stay in Le Havre on loan if Liverpool don't need them.
 
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