4 Way Draft: R1 - P-Nut vs Pat_Mustard

[Physiocrat]

P-Nut

Pat_Mustard

P-Nut Tactics

Big standard modern day 433. The focus was on creating known relationships in key areas of the pitch. Marcelo-CR7 and Vidic-Ferdinand the obvious ones.

With so many modern players I don't feel player profiles are really required, so I'll just give a run down on the lesser picked Tacchinardi.

Spoiler: Tacchinardi profile

Tacchinardi gave every moment his all, no matter what position he played. He was primarily a defensive midfielder, but he played central midfield, right-midfield, and even in defense sometimes as a fullback or a center back.

Reading more of the Juve fans thoughts on him he was a selfless player, happy to play 2nd fiddle to his more illustrious team mates, illustrated by him twice giving up his squad number for incoming signings despite being the club's vice captain. His profile fits in well here with a lot of egos needing someone to allow them to flourish, rather than wanting to shine themselves.

Pat_Mustard Tactics

• Opted for the en vogue 3-4-2-1 rather than the cavalier Magic Square I'd originally planned due to Pnut's overwhelming quality in attack. Mozer and Marquiinhos have both the athleticism and the experience in FB positions to nail the wide CB roles, and with Aldair sweeping and a Casemiro/Cerezo midfield pivot there's a credible defensive shield there.
• Special mention to Ze Roberto's outstanding end product - 22 assists in 45 league and CL matches in 2001-02, and 23 assists in the league alone in his other two peak seasons.
• Not playing Socrates alongside Zico doesn't sit right at all, but Neymar looks the better fit as the complementary double No. 10 alongside Zico in this system. Comfortable peeling wide, great off-the-ball movement, proven at playing the sidekick role to Messi but still capable of winning matches by himself - Zico/Nemyar seems a potentially match-deciding combination.
• There's not many grounds for optimism against such strong opposition, but their lack of a defensive-orientated DM seems to set Zico and Neymar up to have influential games.

 

[Physiocrat]

@Pat_Mustard @P-Nut

Game on!

 

[P-Nut]

Good luck @Pat_Mustard

Nice set up, one issue it creates is CR ending up free on crosses when Robson crashes the box.

Also gives Marcelo even more license to attack without a winger going man for man against him.

 

[Physiocrat]

P-Nut has a great side but I think he could use more of a facilitating CF to complement CR7 and Bale.

Pat's side looks nice and complementary but I remember reading that Ze Roberto was at his best as a LCM rather than as a LWB.

 

[P-Nut]

P-Nut has a great side but I think he could use more of a facilitating CF to complement CR7 and Bale.

Pat's side looks nice and complementary but I remember reading that Ze Roberto was at his best as a LCM rather than as a LWB.

Oh most definitely, just couldn't get round to the leagues I needed to add one in. Was basically forced into 3 or so picks in a row

At least with RvP he does drift left and right, is capable of putting in a good cross and isn't your selfish style striker

 

[Physiocrat]

Oh most definitely, just couldn't get round to the leagues I needed to add one in. Was basically forced into 3 or so picks in a row

At least with RvP he does drift left and right, is capable of putting in a good cross and isn't your selfish style striker

That's fair. On picks, I only got to bench Pickford with my last pick.

 

[Gio]

• Special mention to Ze Roberto's outstanding end product - 22 assists in 45 league and CL matches in 2001-02, and 23 assists in the league alone in his other two peak seasons.

I thought I was being a smart arse punting you to the Bundesliga for a left-back in order to keep Serie A and Junior to myself. But those figures are really impressive and better than I remember.

Mozer was a valuable grab at the death there, he elevates the defence somewhat and is the sort of physical monster you'd want duelling up against P-Nut's formidable attack.

 

[Himannv]

I'm flip flopping a bit. P-Nut has an excellent team but the only one that makes me doubt it is the DM. Mustard has put together a tactically solid side and one I have less questions about, but will he actually beat P-Nut's modern stars? I'm not sure.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Good luck @Pat_Mustard

Nice set up, one issue it creates is CR ending up free on crosses when Robson crashes the box.

Also gives Marcelo even more license to attack without a winger going man for man against him.

Good luck mate!

Very strong team, and I'd completely overlooked Tacchinardi in my write-up when I thought you wouldn't have a specialist DM. Good move for the overall balance of the team IMO, although he's got his work cut out against the double 10 pairing of Zico and Neymar.

Happy enough with my overall strength in defending crosses, with Aldair, Mozer and Casemiro all being imposing in aerial duels, but no denying CR7 isolating Cafu or Marquinhos (no slouch in the air himself mind) is still a viable route to goal.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

I thought I was being a smart arse punting you to the Bundesliga for a left-back in order to keep Serie A and Junior to myself. But those figures are really impressive and better than I remember.

Mozer was a valuable grab at the death there, he elevates the defence somewhat and is the sort of physical monster you'd want duelling up against P-Nut's formidable attack.

You rogue! Always had Ze Roberto in mind as a swiss army knife sort of pick who could fill midfield or left wing roles in loads of different formations, but I was pleasantly surprised at quite how productive he was.

Pat's side looks nice and complementary but I remember reading that Ze Roberto was at his best as a LCM rather than as a LWB.

That was the venerable Balu's opinion - like I said to Gio I didn't even have a definite role in mind for him but wanted him for his overall quality and versatility.

The strange thing about Ze Roberto is that he rarely played as a leftback but it's still often considered as his main position. He played as a left sided midfielder at Leverkusen, sometimes as a wingback, with Kovac/Placente as leftbacks/left centerbacks in a back four/three. At Bayern (Lizarazu followed by Lahm at leftback) and for Brazil (Carlos at leftback) he was clearly a midfielder. He can play as an attacking fullback and as a winger, but it's not his best position. I'd say Ze Roberto is a bit underrated, he was fantastic at his peak (2002-2007) and a wonderful versatile midfielder, in my opinion Brazil's best player at the World Cup in 2006. In his best role he played similar to di Maria last season, probably a bit more defensive, but not that different overall. A central midfielder who loved to drift wide, overload the left wing in attack.

Synco liked his fit as a modern WB though, and I do think with his work rate, athleticism and excellent delivery he's a fine fit. I also like the potential interplay with Neymar, with Neymar being brilliant both centrally and in the outside channels, and Ze Roberto comfortable on both the overlap and the underlap.

Some hardworking, smart, technical wingers should be excellent modern wingbacks, like Zagallo and Zé Roberto. (The latter actually played there quite a bit during his career.)

 

[Physiocrat]

Synco liked his fit as a modern WB though, and I do think with his work rate, athleticism and excellent delivery he's a fine fit. I also like the potential interplay with Neymar, with Neymar being brilliant both centrally and in the outside channels, and Ze Roberto comfortable on both the overlap and the underlap.

Yes, Ze Roberto linking with Neymar makes a lot of sense. I am sold on him.

 

[P-Nut]

Think that left triangle is getting overlooked slightly, Marcelo - CR7 and Robson on that side is too much for anyone alone to stop, although I'll concede Cafu and Casemiro is a good combo to try and close it down.

I think it would end up dragging more over and creating space on the opposite side or through the middle for Bale or RvP to exploit.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Great side from Pat, but PNut just has too much fire power.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Probably a bit unfortunate for Pat and Gio due to pool being split, else it would have made for one cracking build!

 

[P-Nut]

Probably a bit unfortunate for Pat and Gio due to pool being split, else it would have made for one cracking build!

He can build it next round now, congrats @Pat_Mustard

 

[Pat_Mustard]

He can build it next round now, congrats @Pat_Mustard

Thanks mate. Was quite pessimistic about making it to the reinforcements tbh when I saw the draw.

 

[Jim Beam]

Pretty harsh on P-nut this. Van Persie's ability to create for others is underrated. Has 5 assists more in EPL than someone like Harry Kane for example in a lot less games. Even the lack of workrate by that trio upfront could be somewhat compensated by Modric - Robson led midfield.

Mustard has a damn fine team don't get me wrong. Am probably more amazed how little Ronaldo has been making the difference.* And I don't like the fecker!

*wasn't feeling best p-nut so missed voting, sorry

 

[P-Nut]

Pretty harsh on P-nut this. Van Persie's ability to create for others is underrated. Has 5 assists more in EPL than someone like Harry Kane for example in a lot less games. Even the lack of workrate by that trio upfront could be somewhat compensated by Modric - Robson led midfield.

Mustard has a damn fine team don't get me wrong. Am probably more amazed how little Ronaldo has been making the difference.* And I don't like the fecker!

*wasn't feeling best p-nut so missed voting, sorry

Yeah I felt quite hard done by I'm not going to lie.

A pairing of Vidic and Ferdinand is probably the PL best ever partnership, and compared against the heights that Pats defence hit should have stood out.

A GOAT led front line with similar connections in Bale and Marcelo.

Ballon D'or winning midfielder pulling the strings, alongside an all action supreme who is debated amongst United's all time central midfielders.

This isn't a slight on Pats side by the way, it was obviously a competitive side, but the stand out talents should have been enough to get this over the line.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Yeah, I thought P-Nut had a strong team. Probably the Tacchinardi bias?

Pat had a good side, but the player strength was just too much favouring PNut.

 

[Physiocrat]

I thought Pat's front three was amazing and would work really well with the wing-backs.

 

[Himannv]

Yeah, Tacchinardi is the only thing that can explain it, but even then, Robson and Modric kind of operate deeper themselves at times.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

The freshness of the lineup/idea makes a difference too

Zico/Neymar/Careca in that setup is quite cool. Wins brownie points in close games at least to me subconsciously

 

[Šjor Bepo]

its a great team bar fraud tacchinardi who plays in a key role but all this posts after the game are disrespectful towards mustard and his team as that is one hell of a team.

if you didnt see the teams you would think peanuts lost to zlatan and his di livio

 

[Jim Beam]

A bit too much Jose Mourinho vibe in here

 

[Himannv]

its a great team bar fraud tacchinardi who plays in a key role but all this posts after the game are disrespectful towards mustard and his team as that is one hell of a team.

if you didnt see the teams you would think peanuts lost to zlatan and his di livio

I don't think anyone said Mustard's team was bad?

It was a reasonably close game and I think P-Nut's team was better and probably deserved the win. I mean, if we can't say that, what's the point of match threads? Just put up all the drafted teams, multi vote, and we're done, simples.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

I don't think anyone said Mustard's team was bad?

It was a reasonably close game and I think P-Nut's team was better and probably deserved the win. I mean, if we can't say that, what's the point of match threads? Just put up all the drafted teams, multi vote, and we're done, simples.

you get the impression mustard team isnt all that or that he battered him votes wise(which tbf matters nothing)

 

[P-Nut]

you get the impression mustard team isnt all that or that he battered him votes wise(which tbf matters nothing)

I literally stated it wasn't a slight on Pats team, more just that the star qualities in key areas made me feel like I should have won.

It probably did come down to Tacchinardi in the DM spot against Zico and Neymar to be honest.

 

[Himannv]

you get the impression mustard team isnt all that or that he battered him votes wise(which tbf matters nothing)

I get why you think that, but I scrolled up a bit and everyone who commented about P-Nut's team being better have also been complimentary of Pat's team. I don't think the intention was malicious.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

I literally stated it wasn't a slight on Pats team, more just that the star qualities in key areas made me feel like I should have won.

It probably did come down to Tacchinardi in the DM spot against Zico and Neymar to be honest.

didnt meant you

I get why you think that, but I scrolled up a bit and everyone who commented about P-Nut's team being better have also been complimentary of Pat's team. I don't think the intention was malicious.

its probably impression based on last few comments

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Relax. There's no disrespect.

The better team (as someone perceives) doesn't always win. I've won matches making shite arguments that I had no business winning. All part of the game.

 

[Isotope]

you get the impression mustard team isnt all that or that he battered him votes wise(which tbf matters nothing)

Can't blame them, when Pat doesn't even have a team sheet and still got votes.