2mufc0 vs Tiger - Tactical Draft

[Šjor Bepo]

Team 2mufc0

Philosophy/Ideology of tactical set-up

The team is based on a direct approach, a fast, skillful and physical profile with Campbell-Toure-Zlatan spine.

Style - The team will have a attacking philosophy but also able to defend and play on the counter with the pace on the wings and direct players. Also with a physical team great on set pieces.

Central player

Name: Florian Albert
Date Of Birth : 15 September 1941
Nation : Hungary, Caps : 75 Games (32 Goals)
Position : Forward, Height : 181 cm
Major Club : Ferencvaros
World Cup Participation : 1962, 1966 (7 Games/4 Goals)
Professional Score Record : 256 Goals/ 351 Games
Club Honours : 4 Times Hungarian League
1 Time Hungarian Cup
1965 Inter Cities Fair Cup
Individual Achievement : 3 Times Hungarian League Top Scorer
1962 FIFA World Cup Golden Shoe
1964 UEFA Euro Team Best XI
1966 European Cup Top Scorer

1967 European Footballer of The Year

Florian Albert was the greatest Eastern European footballer during the late 1960s. He has been described as one of the most elegant footballers of all time. He succeeded from Ferenc Puskas as the iconic Hungarian footballer. Albert was a kind of combined player between marksmen and a creative forwarder according to his great finishing, ball controlling and vision to create assist. Although he was a top scorer in the 1962 FIFA World Cup tournament, He tied with other five players to win golden boot with just four goals and his most outstanding performance was achieved in World Cup 1966 despite he could not score even a goal but by the time his role was became a creator already but Hungary best reached just quarter-final round in both World Cup he played. Nevertheless, He helped Hungary reach semi-final round in Euro 1964 and 1972. Albert also finished 5th place in the 1966 Ballon'Dor.

A key aspect of getting the best of Albert will be his partnership with Zlatan, with Zlatan's hold up play, passing, heading, vision and tricks/flicks he will be able to play off him and also play Zlatan in. Albert will be at the heart of the setup and play in the no.10 role finding space running at the opposition defence, creating chances and getting into long range shooting positions as well as runs into the box. He also has options to play the ball wide to Ginola/Cabrini and Camoranesi/Leandro who can get crosses in for Zlatan who is a great threat in the air. Behind him he has Yaya who will support his midfield attacking play and link defence to attack and Cambiasso will provide that shield in front of defence allowing Albert to roam freely.

the following video showcases how Albert would operate in this team:



Defense

Petr Cech one of the best keepers of his generation, great all round keeper. On the left side i have Antonio Cabrini arguable the best LB available in the draft, not just great in defence but also going forward. With Ginola attacking he provides cover at the back and will be able to handle the best wingers. Overlapping Ginola he will be able to get crosses in to feed Zlatan. Next to him i have Sol Campbell Arsenal's best defender during their invincible run, as a CB he had everything quick, strong, good tackler and great in the air. Next to him is Albert Shesternyov rated as the best Soviet defender of all time, he is also great on the ball and will link defence with midfield. At right back is Jose Leandro Ferriera, part of the great 1982 Brazil team, a very attacking full back who will have the hard working Camaronesi in front of him to help him out. As a unit the defence has a lot of pace, athletic, physical and great in the air, i would be confident they will be able to handle most attackers.

Midfield

David Ginola one of the great premier league players lines up on the left hand side, a direct player who can go inside and combine with Albert/Zlatan or go wide and combine with Cabrini, will be a constant threat with his dribbling, passing and shooting. To balance the midfield i have world cup winner Mauro Camoranesi on the right who brings fantastic work rate to support the midfield in defensive situations he also is pacey and good going forward, he will have the attacking Leandro to back him in attack. Defensive midfield is Esteban Cambiasso described as the heartbeat of the CL winning Inter team by Mourinho. He has the ability to shield the defence with his great work rate and tenacity and is also more than competent on the ball. Next to him is Yaya Toure who has been bullying opposition midfielders with his power and pace and will play the box to box role.

Attack

Zlatan Ibrahimovic spearheads the attack, one of the best strikers of his generation, although a big man he possesses great technical ability aswell as hold up play. Albert will relish playing of him and i believe they would combine very well with Zlatans passing/flicks and also picking out each others runs. He is also great in the air and my wingers and full backs will have a great target for crosses.

Thoughts on opposition

Going by Red Tiger's picks he looks like going for a 4-4-2 formation which imo doesn't suit Del Piero who's peak was in 97-99, Juve at that time played in a 3-5-2 system with Zidane behind Del Piero and Inzaghi. In a 4-4-2 Del Piero will have to do a bit of donkey work to help out his midfield which means he will be dragged away from the box/goal where he needs to be to be effective. I'm not saying Del Piero can't drop deep but he won't be getting the most out of him this way. Overall imo i have better players 1v1 in the majority of the positions and this will be the difference in the end

Team Tiger

Philosophy/Ideology of tactical set-up
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Style possession

Central player
Playing his favoured position behind the striker. Having Leonardo and Scifo on the flanks means they will naturally come narrow bringing the oppo fullbacks out of position and allowing Del Piero to play close to a free role in the final third. A solid central mid partnership of Rattin and stankovic meaning not too much on del piero to come deep.

Defense

Defensive Line - Normal
Marking - zonal
Off the ball - tucking in defenders to form compact defense
On the ball - Build up play

Midfield
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Attack
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Player Roles
Rattan - DM
Stankovic- B2B
The wingers - AM/inside forwards
Zamorano - lead line
Specific Tactical Manoeuvres

 

[Šjor Bepo]

• Draft matches would be decided based on who has crafted/built the more coherent and cohesive tactical set-up around his main star as opposed to who might win in a fantasy encounter. Hopefully, this paves way for interesting discussions on the set-ups themselves - delving deeper into the creation/evolution etc of said set-up - and the personnel fit.
  
• Voters are asked to consider the XIs featured as 2 separate teams not like a classic game of football, and to consider to what extent the manager has succeeded in building around his central figure. This is not a fantasy match but a comparison of 2 tactical attempts.

• Teams will be built and judged for best tactical fits rather then the quality of the team. First, team has to be perfectly built around the central figure, if both teams are very close then you look at the other specific pairings, good fits for the team etc. if the level is still close then you watch at quality of the individual players except of the central player.

good luck @RedTiger @2mufc0

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Albert was withdrawn forward. Similar to Hidegkuti but with more goal threat. I think the best way to use him is to surround him with other inside/wide forwards. I think he can make a good F9 too. There's a distinct lack of goal threat in 2mufc's team and with two players who'll drop deep to make plays, it's way too similar to be a complementary partnership imo. Not dysfunctional by any means, but just not optimal.

 

[RedTiger]

Anyone have any questions they want to ask about my team?

 

[2mufc0]

This is like the minnows playing in the world cup where no one is interested.

Good luck @RedTiger.

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Anyone have any questions they want to ask about my team?

Why is Enzo on the right? If you had someone like Maicon or Alves behind id maybe buy it but this way its a bit meh, also dont like Rattin in midfield two, watched him twice for previous drafts and he was pretty weak defensively in both games, his positional sense and reading of the game were okay but when ever he found himself in situation where someone is running at him he was like a ghost and in a midfield two you cant have that.
Team is decent but lacks creativity, specially as Del Piero was never the main creative force.

@2mufc0 is up to you two to create a discussion, no one is interested because it seems you guys dont want to play it.
As i already said few things for tigers team will do the same here....dont really like it if im honest. Team tactics is good, direct attacking football which suits Albert but the personnel is wrong. Dont like Yaya as b2b, specially not next to another b2b in Cambiasso. Team lacks a bit of pace, only Albert offers something as both Ginola and Camo as good as they are were never particularly fast + im not sure how does Ibra fit in if im honest. He needs and always had a team built around him so im not sure about him in Albert together specially as Ibra likes to drop into space where Albert operates.

 

[2mufc0]

Florian Albert: Footballer whose stylish talents lit up grounds around the world

The younger man, who scored 32 times in 75 internationals from 1959-74 and created countless chances for the likes of Lajos Tichy, then later Ferenc Bene, was a destructive attacking wanderer capable of dictating the tempo of play. His technique was exquisite, the accuracy of his passing was matched by its intelligence, he could shoot ferociously with either foot, he dribbled divinely and was a shrewd tactician.

 

[2mufc0]

Why is Enzo on the right? If you had someone like Maicon or Alves behind id maybe buy it but this way its a bit meh, also dont like Rattin in midfield two, watched him twice for previous drafts and he was pretty weak defensively in both games, his positional sense and reading of the game were okay but when ever he found himself in situation where someone is running at him he was like a ghost and in a midfield two you cant have that.
Team is decent but lacks creativity, specially as Del Piero was never the main creative force.

@2mufc0 is up to you two to create a discussion, no one is interested because it seems you guys dont want to play it.
As i already said few things for tigers team will do the same here....dont really like it if im honest. Team tactics is good, direct attacking football which suits Albert but the personnel is wrong. Dont like Yaya as b2b, specially not next to another b2b in Cambiasso. Team lacks a bit of pace, only Albert offers something as both Ginola and Camo as good as they are were never particularly fast + im not sure how does Ibra fit in if im honest. He needs and always had a team built around him so im not sure about him in Albert together specially as Ibra likes to drop into space where Albert operates.

Thanks for the comments. Although Cambiasso can play the b2b role he can also do the defensive midfield job too. The idea was to recreate the Yaya-Barry partnership, but Cambiasso a far superior upgrade.

As for Zlatan I've seen him play upfront and stay as the target man , although he has dropped deep in his career in this system he's not intstructed to do this. Even for us this season he was mainly used as the target man, only on odd occasions he used to drop deep.

As for the pace argument, ginola and Camoranesi are hardly Mata in pace. Not rapid but decent. The full backs are very quick and provide that extra pace while overlapping.

 

[Ecstatic]

Albert was withdrawn forward. Similar to Hidegkuti but with more goal threat. I think the best way to use him is to surround him with other inside/wide forwards.

You're right. My understanding is:

1. Ginola can play both on the wing and as a support striker: he provides pace and goal threat. Albert looks more comfortable in counter-attacking.
2. 2mufc0 should have specified the version of Zlatan: I've considered the Zlatan 2009 who would be great here: so the Inter Milan version, more mobile contrary to his false 9 style with PSG
3. Camoranesi & Leandro on the right to release space for Albert. Hard to find relevant footage about Leandro.
4. Cabrini & Ginola would be a joy to watch: I'm not sure I will see a better left flank in this draft. Leonardo/Cole is great also.

I think he can make a good F9 too. There's a distinct lack of goal threat in 2mufc's team and with two players who'll drop deep to make plays, it's way too similar to be a complementary partnership imo. Not dysfunctional by any means, but just not optimal.

Ginola/Zlatan/Albert is decent IMO

This is like the minnows playing in the world cup where no one is interested.

Good luck @RedTiger.

Nothing to do with you or your players.

If we exclude the managers' votes, 4 votes here at the moment, 6 votes in mine. It's the week-end.

Also, I guess the followers are bored of these games and some are more interested in the form ('too much videos', 'I don't need somebody to find a video, especially if the player is a United player', 'Michel looks like Beckham but isn't Beckham', ..) than in the substance.

 

[RedTiger]

Why is Enzo on the right? If you had someone like Maicon or Alves behind id maybe buy it but this way its a bit meh, also dont like Rattin in midfield two, watched him twice for previous drafts and he was pretty weak defensively in both games, his positional sense and reading of the game were okay but when ever he found himself in situation where someone is running at him he was like a ghost and in a midfield two you cant have that.
Team is decent but lacks creativity, specially as Del Piero was never the main creative force.

@2mufc0 is up to you two to create a discussion, no one is interested because it seems you guys dont want to play it.
As i already said few things for tigers team will do the same here....dont really like it if im honest. Team tactics is good, direct attacking football which suits Albert but the personnel is wrong. Dont like Yaya as b2b, specially not next to another b2b in Cambiasso. Team lacks a bit of pace, only Albert offers something as both Ginola and Camo as good as they are were never particularly fast + im not sure how does Ibra fit in if im honest. He needs and always had a team built around him so im not sure about him in Albert together specially as Ibra likes to drop into space where Albert operates.

Sjor, this is the 8th time I've picked Angloma as my RB in a draft game. I always rated him highly as an extremely efficient and versatile player. The version of him I'd like people to think is the mid to late 80s iteration of him.

Here's an example of the type of play I expect from him. (some random player scores a very nice second goal)

 

[Šjor Bepo]

Sjor, this is the 8th time I've picked Angloma as my RB in a draft game. I always rated him highly as an extremely efficient and versatile player. The version of him I'd like people to think is the mid to late 80s iteration of him.

Here's an example of the type of play I expect from him. (some random player scores a very nice second goal)

I rate Angloma thats not the problem, i just never saw him as a player that can control the whole side so Enzo could move to the center stage and help out Rattin and Stankovic. Even here he plays as a right midfielder by the look of things.

 

[RedTiger]

I rate Angloma thats not the problem, i just never saw him as a player that can control the whole side so Enzo could move to the center stage and help out Rattin and Stankovic. Even here he plays as a right midfielder by the look of things.

He was playing as a wing back in this game, it was also the first time I'd ever heard of or seen Cantona

On Rattin I have to disagree with you as to his positional sense, he was a classic midfield general who controlled that area of the pitch, if he wasn't sent off against England in 66 then England wouldn't have gone past them.

Anyway, all I want from Rattin in this tactic is to be a better version of Deschamps.

 

[Ecstatic]

Team RT has also a lovely team and his strategy makes sense.

Cole and Angloma are the key players to make the thing work as Leonardo/Scifo would tend to enter inside.

Leonardo, Scifo and Del Piero are smart players who can speak the same football language.

Despite the appearances, Del Piero would benefit from a better environment than Raúl who was deployed in a different 4-4-2 (I consider both players as similar ones, which doesn't mean they are 'strictly identical').

 

[Ecstatic]

Anyone have any questions they want to ask about my team?

I know Rattin has a great reputation but what do you know about him?

The infos in English/footages about him are scarce IIRC

 

[Ecstatic]

Sjor, this is the 8th time I've picked Angloma as my RB in a draft game.

I think we have found a tagline for you

 

[2mufc0]

Albert was withdrawn forward. Similar to Hidegkuti but with more goal threat. I think the best way to use him is to surround him with other inside/wide forwards. I think he can make a good F9 too. There's a distinct lack of goal threat in 2mufc's team and with two players who'll drop deep to make plays, it's way too similar to be a complementary partnership imo. Not dysfunctional by any means, but just not optimal.

Zlatan and Albert have fantastic goal records, up there with the best. Ginola also scored his fair share from wide positions and Yaya is known for his goal scoring exploits from midfield.

 

[Moby]

Angloma was amazing.

 

[antohan]

Sjor, this is the 8th time I've picked Angloma as my RB in a draft game. I always rated him highly as an extremely efficient and versatile player. The version of him I'd like people to think is the mid to late 80s iteration of him.

Here's an example of the type of play I expect from him. (some random player scores a very nice second goal)

Good thing you clarified that as most will know the older (less youthfully exuberant) version of him as a 30+ Valencia fullback. You should ask 2mufc to spare you an arrow there.

I'm still baffled as to why that French generation fared so badly.

 

[RedTiger]

Good thing you clarified that as most will know the older (less youthfully exuberant) version of him as a 30+ Valencia fullback. You should ask 2mufc to spare you an arrow there.

I'm still baffled as to why that French generation fared so badly.

Thank you Antohan! There definitely is a physical difference between say the Marseilles version of Angloma and the Valencia version.

 

[RedTiger]

I know Rattin has a great reputation but what do you know about him?

The infos in English/footages about him are scarce IIRC

I don't have eye witness accounts or anything.

I know that he went into the 66 world cup rated as the world's best midfielder, the English were waxing lyrical about him (I remember this from the countless documentaries English TV showed back in the 80s).

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

Anyway, all I want from Rattin in this tactic is to be a better version of Deschamps.

That's a bit controversial. Personally I'd say Deschamps is more complete and better at everything that Rattin does

 

[2mufc0]

Some clips of what Ginola is capable of (credit to @Downcast from a previous draft game).

QF of the UEFA Cup in 1993: PSG/Real Madrid

1st leg Real Madrid 3 - 1 PSG (goal Ginola)





2nd leg PSG 4-1 (goal ginola)






EDIT: I am not saying Ginola is the equivalent of Ronaldo or Batistuta !!

 

[2mufc0]

As this draft is about the main player, let's focus on RT's use of Del Piero here, his peak was in the 97-99 period and was actually going toe to toe with Luiz Ronaldo, this is how Juve lined up then :

This allowed him to stay up top and cause damage. He also had Zidane behind him pulling the strings, RT's setup doesn't resemble much of this system. And i do think he wouldn't get the best out of peak Del Piero in the 4-4-2 he has setup in. Where he won't have the same freedom, in RT's setup he has to be creative and also some defensive duties, this would detract from his attacking threat around the box.

 

[Gio]

This is like the minnows playing in the world cup where no one is interested.

Good luck @RedTiger.

Saturday's always a quieter day on here.

Not too much to split the teams to be honest, both are steady efforts.

 

[Oaencha]

Sorry for the lack of imput so far. I've been busy with work and trying to get my team done.

I like both teams but 2mufc0 just edges it for me. I'm really liking the combination of Albert, Ginola and Ibra. I don't have a problem with Cambiasso and Toure in the centre. Cambiasso is more defensive and can cover Toure's lack of tracking back.

I really like Tiger's defence but I'm not convinced about the players surrounding Del Piero. Good players in their own right but I don't feel they compliment him well.