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Of course! He was immortalised as a supporting character in one of the all time most upsetting tweets.
2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins
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Of course! He was immortalised as a supporting character in one of the all time most upsetting tweets.
It’s alright getting caught up in the personalities of the candidates but it shows a startling lack of introspection from people (again.) Given another month on the campaign trail and even Vance would’ve wiped the floor with Harris if he was the candidate.
There’s people in the UK who have had over 8 years since Brexit to shut their mouths and listen and learn and grow. But they refuse. They believe they are inherently good. Seeing the same old reaction from the same old people today is Infuriating. We need to quickly wake up.
The Uk is in a unique position because we have a two party system where both parties are the same - centre liberal left. We will be in for a much bigger shock within a decade if the talking heads don’t start answering people’s legitimate questions.
It’s not Russian bots, it’s not racism, it’s not misogyny, it’s not stupidity. Its about shit policies affecting the poorest people for over 20 years.
There’s people in the UK who have had over 8 years since Brexit to shut their mouths and listen and learn and grow. But they refuse. They believe they are inherently good. Seeing the same old reaction from the same old people today is Infuriating. We need to quickly wake up.
The Uk is in a unique position because we have a two party system where both parties are the same - centre liberal left. We will be in for a much bigger shock within a decade if the talking heads don’t start answering people’s legitimate questions.
It’s not Russian bots, it’s not racism, it’s not misogyny, it’s not stupidity. Its about shit policies affecting the poorest people for over 20 years.
If you need 700 words essay on your policies and google. Chances are you dont know your policies as well.
POTUS candidate should at least be able to deliver conscice and clear objectives in layman term in 1 minute.
Trump did that too well, you dont need it to be working or correct or even factual. You just need your voters to nod and yell damn right.
Kamala didnt understand americans while male. Trump knew them too well and dont cater to politically correct. He's a great salesman. Even if he sells bogus steak and bankruptcy. We mistakenly thought it's stupid, but he said it best himself. If i can declare bankruptcy and dont pay a dime, and i did that 4 times, I'm smart.
Which is embarrassing. GOP attack lines are there anyone who follow politics knew the soundbytes. Kamala goes Harvard and gets into the detail but lacking the counter punch.
It's like bringing a sword to a wrestling match
So I’m guessing you didn’t know about her policies either cause you didn’t take the chance to listen to her? No one is asking you to read a 700 word document.
Dems took shits for granted. They didnt even bother to address their base properly
Simpler than that. They want to write what their readers wants to read.
This news sells. Imagine if they report trump is winning, their readers would have stopped reading
The post that you quote proved the point that we’re trying to make. No matter what she did, that wouldn’t be enough.
Not to mention: she did talk about those policies in her interviews, debate and speeches, and so no one really needed to read any document.
What issues did Kamala run on? She would neither defend the Biden-Harris record nor say what she would do differently, when asked repeatedly. When she did bring up specific issues, they often sounded borrowed from Trump’s playbook—things like the child tax credit, tax-free tips, and funding for the border.
All in all, she made for a rough candidate, so this outcome wasn’t exactly a shocker.
Andrea Mitchell is a decrepit old ghoul and yet she came out of this better. The Democratic consultant class is absolutely fecking infested with this kind of thinking. White women have proven twice that they just don't care about your gender identity signifier, how can you ask them to 'modify their voting behaviour'?
For all the emotionally charged complaints and blame going around this is probably the closest. Elections simply often come down to whether the incumbents deserve another term or not, irrespective of the quality of the other candidate.
A lot of it unfortunately has been circumstance but you can understand why people want a change and see the Dems as having failed. So called progressive parties rarely survive economic trouble they'll always be a flip flop between left and right for that reason alone.
What's her policy again?
Excellent point. The answer to “how will you improve my life” has to be succinct and clear. It could be anything really. Doesn’t even have to make sense — “Tariffs” “Mass deportations” “Will make Mexico pay” “will repeal and replace ACA”.
Tbf the media also has to play along by not asking for more details. They will go along with this playbook for Trump, never for the Dem.
What do the following years have in common?
1984, 2008, 2016 and 2024? A woman was nominated either for president or vice president. All of these tickets lost.
2020 was the only exception.
Now, every election has its own circumstances and environment. But the female factor was there in 2016 and it was there in 2024. You would hear people saying “a woman can’t handle Putin or Xi”.
Yeah, I have to agree with this. Obama squandered a very rare opportunity that politicians rarely get in a democracy - large mainstream support and a clear mandate. In addition to that, he also had low interest rates to build what he wanted.
For me, the problem wasn't that he allowed his conservative instincts tale over, as even that could have still allowed him to do what he wanted. Instead, it was that he appeared to fall into the trap of overly enjoying being a celebrity icon and deciding that he already was a good to great' president simply by being elected as a first ethic minority president.
For me, he essentially just followed the Clinton/Bush playback and lapped up the platitudes for 8 years rather than tackle anything difficult/was going to rock the boat too much.
It sucks but yeah this is probably true. America is a chauvinistic country and it can't take the idea of a female president seriously.
I don't quite understand arguments like this. Is it not often said that the Republicans heavily blocked Obama?
Trump doesn’t drink, so he’s not about to fake enjoying a beer at a dive bar. He’s a familiar figure—decades in the NY tabloids, a reality TV star, and a former president—so name recognition isn’t an issue. But he still put in the effort to stay visible: he campaigned hard, hit the media circuit, did unscripted podcast appearances, and never held back on his opinions. He’d even drop by McDonald’s for a quick boost when he wanted to show some casual charm.
Harris, on the other hand, was mostly off the radar from mid-July to September—no press interviews, barely engaging with the media, almost as if the role felt too big for her. Picture it like when Fergie told Moyes he’d be the next United manager, and Moyes’s initial reaction was a mix of shock and sinking into the sofa leather in pure terror. With no real primary on the Democratic side, voters didn’t get much of a chance to size her up as a candidate. And when she did show up, besides a rough Fox interview, her media appearances were mostly softball setups—pre-scripted questions or chats with late-night hosts—giving the public hardly any chance to see her in a real, high-stakes moment.
Walz was actually great - genuine, authentic and a salt of the earth kind of person I'd have no problem voting for if he was top of the ticket.
Obama is a neoliberal who is only interested in serving capital. He only "squandered" the opportunity because he was never actually going to use it to bring about meaningful change.
The data points are not very good.
Of the five elections, two of them (1984 and 2008) were not going to be won by the party who fielded a female VP regardless of who the candidate was, they got obliterated in very unfavorable conditions. That leaves three elections and a 2/3 rate which is not exactly conclusive.
For whatever reason they will never stop pushing identity politics, even now when its proven to be so divisive as to be one of the main reasons to elect Trump of all people its been nothing but throwing around accusations of racism and sexism all day, just shut up people are tired of it.
fecking assholes should have been Bernie, might have won in 2016 and he certainly would have won this one, nope, of course the DNC is corrupt and rigged the primaries in conjunction with a lying smearing media.
Identity politics is not even close to one of the main reasons Trump was elected.
And quite frankly, they way that Democrats are losing latinos, they may need one on their ticket soon - along with far better economic messaging.
Correct. It's a miracle he got the ACA passed.
Lazy take.
1984 Reagan and Bush won by a landslide. Who Mondale picked made zero difference. He only won 13 electoral collage votes.
2008 Again, not even a close election. Obama could have put Sarah Palin on the ticket and still won.
2016 Trump was a hell of a candidate in 2016 and tapped into what the "forgotten man" wanted to hear. Plus, Hillary had 25+ years of baggage.
2024 I think Harris was a strong candidate, but being associated with Biden killed her. You only have to look at the exit polling favorable ratings to see that - her favorables beat Trump.
There will be a female president, but it has to be the right person running under the right conditions. Same as it would be for any man running.
Nobody every said ASU was a good school.
I personally can’t wait to see the impact on grocery prices of mass deportation of the farming & meat packing workforce.
The problem here is not being looked at correctly:
Why does USA have such a reliance on immigration for its menial jobs when it has such a gigantic domestic population already - many of whom are actively not in unemployment numbers due to lack of intention of ever being in employment.
The solution to lack of people wanting to do menial jobs is not infinite immigration - it's making it lucrative and fair enough so that it's considered decent, honest and most importantly dignified work for a good pay.
She could return to the Senate. Never mind. Schiff is in and he's never leaving, and although Alex Padilla took over from Harris when she became VP, he's not giving that seat up, either. Maybe she retires.
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Oh but it is. That's the soul and spirit of capitalism, always looking for new laborers to exploit. The true costs of food and housing would skyrocket if the amount of seasonal, unskilled, migrant, off the books labor was reduced.
Whats going to happen in a years time when we are still paying $4 to $6 for gal of gas, rent is still increasing, and we are dropping a paycheck for a carton of eggs?
He will lay blame to the left, and his cult will laud him for it.
He will lay blame to the left, and his cult will laud him for it.
Good luck getting the self absorbed middle class Brad, Chad, and Becky out in the fields picking grapes.
It wouldn't. You drive increases in productivity thus lowering costs through investment in technology and/or processes - not through 18th century practices of just getting 100 bodies in a cotton mill. The world has been doing this from the 1920's all the way through to the early 90's, for some reason modern neo-liberalism dictates that immigration and not innovation is the solution.
In 1950 there were 350,000 workers in the US coal industry.
In 1970 there were 125,00.
In 2023 there are 54,000.
In 1950 USA mined 500 million short tonnes of coal.
In 1970 USA mined 700 million short tonnes of coal.
In 2008 USA mined 1.18 billion short tonnes of coal.
2.2x the production with 1/7th the number of people:
This means from 1970 to 2008 there was a 15.4x increase in productivity.
This is incredibly offensive to people. People are not working their not because they are self absorbed. But because the conditions are horrible and the pay is shit. That doesn't make people self-absorbed. It just makes them demotivated.
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Very weird seeing so many liberals vehemently attack minority groups today.
Anyone who lives outside of the "centre" is no better than the other. Ive seen people in here who are left wing make jokes about Al Qaeda and hoping Trump/Musk are killed. I've seen right wing basically claim Ukraine is expandable.
You can't claim you are any better than Trump if you make shit jokes about minorities, education status etc
Anyone who lives outside of the "centre" is no better than the other. Ive seen people in here who are left wing make jokes about Al Qaeda and hoping Trump/Musk are killed. I've seen right wing basically claim Ukraine is expandable.
You can't claim you are any better than Trump if you make shit jokes about minorities, education status etc
What would you base that take on?
There's a clear difference between edgy dark humour and actually believing the shit you say.
There is, and there is time for jokes, but minorities are actually being put through it today. Plenty of people are bashing Black men, Arab Americans and Latinos today. As if they should just fall in line and not get their say?
Okay, but how are those jokes? That's just prejudice, discrimination or racism.
Your post was equivalating people making dark jokes like, "Come on Al-Qaeda, do your thing!", to people who actually believe the shit they say.
Who could have seen that coming?