2024 U.S. Elections | Trump wins

[Steven Seagull]

It’s alright getting caught up in the personalities of the candidates but it shows a startling lack of introspection from people (again.) Given another month on the campaign trail and even Vance would’ve wiped the floor with Harris if he was the candidate.

There’s people in the UK who have had over 8 years since Brexit to shut their mouths and listen and learn and grow. But they refuse. They believe they are inherently good. Seeing the same old reaction from the same old people today is Infuriating. We need to quickly wake up.

The Uk is in a unique position because we have a two party system where both parties are the same - centre liberal left. We will be in for a much bigger shock within a decade if the talking heads don’t start answering people’s legitimate questions.

It’s not Russian bots, it’s not racism, it’s not misogyny, it’s not stupidity. Its about shit policies affecting the poorest people for over 20 years.

 

[Eboue]

 

[Sky1981]

Exactly and she did talk so much about her policies and she released specifics about her policies and details on how she manages to accomplish those policies. But people are so lazy to do a google search to educate themselves yet they complain and whine.

Also agree on the fact that it’s always up to the dems to be morally righteous and always do the right thing. That’s how fecked and normalized the right wing of this country has become that the onus is always on the left to be the bigger person.

If you need 700 words essay on your policies and google. Chances are you dont know your policies as well.

POTUS candidate should at least be able to deliver conscice and clear objectives in layman term in 1 minute.

Trump did that too well, you dont need it to be working or correct or even factual. You just need your voters to nod and yell damn right.

Kamala didnt understand americans while male. Trump knew them too well and dont cater to politically correct. He's a great salesman. Even if he sells bogus steak and bankruptcy. We mistakenly thought it's stupid, but he said it best himself. If i can declare bankruptcy and dont pay a dime, and i did that 4 times, I'm smart.

 

[Sky1981]

The OC is definitely very different from LA County in my experience. It has a much more conservative legacy and institutions. To be honest, I try to avoid stopping in the OC. Most of what I hear about homelessness and crime though I hear more directed locally at the Mayor, and especially at the DA (which is why Gascon got trounced). Another thing though is that its not like any Republican ever has a policy answer to things like housing, crime and homelessness.

For 2028, I see it really mattering who is the best orator. De Santis tried to attack Newsom on all those topics you mention and Newsom annihilated De Santis' arguments. Other than Buttigieg, I can't see any other Democrat that capable of presenting a vision and being able to riposte all those standard GOP attack lines. Long way to go of course but Dems are going to need a direction because clearly being all things to all people failed badly. Campaigning with Dick Cheney while saying you'd give gender transition surgery to prisoners is clearly a failing combo. The Dems will need to have compelling reasons to vote for them on border/immigration, economy, and bring in issues like climate change to have a chance in 2028.

Which is embarrassing. GOP attack lines are there anyone who follow politics knew the soundbytes. Kamala goes Harvard and gets into the detail but lacking the counter punch.

It's like bringing a sword to a wrestling match

 

[RDCR07]

If you need 700 words essay on your policies and google. Chances are you dont know your policies as well.

POTUS candidate should at least be able to deliver conscice and clear objectives in layman term in 1 minute.

Trump did that too well, you dont need it to be working or correct or even factual. You just need your voters to nod and yell damn right.

Kamala didnt understand americans while male. Trump knew them too well and dont cater to politically correct. He's a great salesman. Even if he sells bogus steak and bankruptcy. We mistakenly thought it's stupid, but he said it best himself. If i can declare bankruptcy and dont pay a dime, and i did that 4 times, I'm smart.

So I’m guessing you didn’t know about her policies either cause you didn’t take the chance to listen to her? No one is asking you to read a 700 word document.

 

[Sky1981]

Dems also were confident that Independants would break heavily for them. That does not seem to happen?

At the end of the day, people are expert at (over)analyzing losers and their solutions probably would not have changed a dam thing anyway. It is hard to imagine that Trump campaign would have been miles better than hers based on the amount of votes.

It is just what it is. Shit happens.

Dems took shits for granted. They didnt even bother to address their base properly

Agreed. I see why they are surprised though, its just they are wrong to be surprised.

Numerous left wing media channels/outlets/pundits spent weeks putting out content like "Trump Rally is EMPTY" and "Trump is Losing". Outside of their bubble it was obvious that Trump had huge support. I don't understand the logic of them trying to claim Trump was unpopular or what they hoped to gain from that. Maybe they thought it'd convince swing voters that there team is the winning team? Doesn't strike me as a good strategy.

I see similarities to the Brexit campaign, Boris Johnson becoming PM, the rise of Reform/Farage and arguably Tommy Robinson's recent popularity. The left portray the opposition as a non-credible threat, and then act surprised when that threat turns out to be a credible threat. The left needs to recognise what its up against and produce a stronger campaign against it. I think that involves a much greater emphasis on economic change, cost of living and quality of life for working class and middle class. Both in the US and UK.

Simpler than that. They want to write what their readers wants to read.

This news sells. Imagine if they report trump is winning, their readers would have stopped reading

 

[ManUtd1999]

So I’m guessing you didn’t know about her policies either cause you didn’t take the chance to listen to her? No one is asking you to read a 700 word document.

The post that you quote proved the point that we’re trying to make. No matter what she did, that wouldn’t be enough.

Not to mention: she did talk about those policies in her interviews, debate and speeches, and so no one really needed to read any document.

 

[Suedesi]

That fine if the other side actually had any policy to run on. Did he have any solutions to fix this issue of inflation which is actually getting better over the past 12 months?

What issues did Kamala run on? She would neither defend the Biden-Harris record nor say what she would do differently, when asked repeatedly. When she did bring up specific issues, they often sounded borrowed from Trump’s playbook—things like the child tax credit, tax-free tips, and funding for the border.

All in all, she made for a rough candidate, so this outcome wasn’t exactly a shocker.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Andrea Mitchell is a decrepit old ghoul and yet she came out of this better. The Democratic consultant class is absolutely fecking infested with this kind of thinking. White women have proven twice that they just don't care about your gender identity signifier, how can you ask them to 'modify their voting behaviour'?

 

[Smores]

For all the emotionally charged complaints and blame going around this is probably the closest. Elections simply often come down to whether the incumbents deserve another term or not, irrespective of the quality of the other candidate.

A lot of it unfortunately has been circumstance but you can understand why people want a change and see the Dems as having failed. So called progressive parties rarely survive economic trouble they'll always be a flip flop between left and right for that reason alone.

 

[Sky1981]

So I’m guessing you didn’t know about her policies either cause you didn’t take the chance to listen to her? No one is asking you to read a 700 word document.

What's her policy again?

 

[erikcred]

If you need 700 words essay on your policies and google. Chances are you dont know your policies as well.

POTUS candidate should at least be able to deliver conscice and clear objectives in layman term in 1 minute.

Trump did that too well, you dont need it to be working or correct or even factual. You just need your voters to nod and yell damn right.

Kamala didnt understand americans while male. Trump knew them too well and dont cater to politically correct. He's a great salesman. Even if he sells bogus steak and bankruptcy. We mistakenly thought it's stupid, but he said it best himself. If i can declare bankruptcy and dont pay a dime, and i did that 4 times, I'm smart.

Excellent point. The answer to “how will you improve my life” has to be succinct and clear. It could be anything really. Doesn’t even have to make sense — “Tariffs” “Mass deportations” “Will make Mexico pay” “will repeal and replace ACA”.

Tbf the media also has to play along by not asking for more details. They will go along with this playbook for Trump, never for the Dem.

 

[ManUtd1999]

Andrea Mitchell is a decrepit old ghoul and yet she came out of this better. The Democratic consultant class is absolutely fecking infested with this kind of thinking. White women have proven twice that they just don't care about your gender identity signifier, how can you ask them to 'modify their voting behaviour'?

What do the following years have in common?
1984, 2008, 2016 and 2024? A woman was nominated either for president or vice president. All of these tickets lost.

2020 was the only exception.

Now, every election has its own circumstances and environment. But the female factor was there in 2016 and it was there in 2024. You would hear people saying “a woman can’t handle Putin or Xi”.

 

[Dave Smith]

Honestly though, so much of this can be laid at the feet of Obama. He was granted a once in a lifetime opportunity to build a lasting governing majority in the mold of FDR. Came into office with overwhelming support and a clear mandate, but let his legislative inexperience and conservative instincts took over and failed to deliver on a signature policy (public option/M4A) or robust reforms (Glass Steagal revival/Wall St. prosecution for the financial crisis) that could've cemented the goodwill to the Dems for a generation, also failed to use the bully pulpit to communicate directly to voters in the style of the fireside chats to bypass legacy media/right wing disinformation network, or let the grassroots organisation that fueled his campaign to be dismantled and retreat from rural areas, letting Republicans recover and run unopposed in thousands of state legislative seats that won the 2010 census and created a damnningly tilted playing field for them ever since. Despite his electoral success, his party has been in rough shape ever since, riven by the established interests that adopted him and the activists wing that was the fuel for his rise, that is also increasingly marginalised and engulfed in internecine squabble themselves (Sanders/AOC being disowned by DSA)

It feels like the US have missed the boat this time, the 1939 Nazis were *in* government, the 2024 Nazis are now the government.

Yeah, I have to agree with this. Obama squandered a very rare opportunity that politicians rarely get in a democracy - large mainstream support and a clear mandate. In addition to that, he also had low interest rates to build what he wanted.

For me, the problem wasn't that he allowed his conservative instincts tale over, as even that could have still allowed him to do what he wanted. Instead, it was that he appeared to fall into the trap of overly enjoying being a celebrity icon and deciding that he already was a good to great' president simply by being elected as a first ethic minority president.

For me, he essentially just followed the Clinton/Bush playback and lapped up the platitudes for 8 years rather than tackle anything difficult/was going to rock the boat too much.

 

[Blood Mage]

What do the following years have in common?
1984, 2008, 2016 and 2024? A woman was nominated either for president or vice president. All of these tickets lost.

2020 was the only exception.

Now, every election has its own circumstances and environment. But the female factor was there in 2016 and it was there in 2024. You would hear people saying “a woman can’t handle Putin or Xi”.

It sucks but yeah this is probably true. America is a chauvinistic country and it can't take the idea of a female president seriously.

 

[VorZakone]

Yeah, I have to agree with this. Obama squandered a very rare opportunity that politicians rarely get in a democracy - large mainstream support and a clear mandate. In addition to that, he also had low interest rates to build what he wanted.

For me, the problem wasn't that he allowed his conservative instincts tale over, as even that could have still allowed him to do what he wanted. Instead, it was that he appeared to fall into the trap of overly enjoying being a celebrity icon and deciding that he already was a good to great' president simply by being elected as a first ethic minority president.

For me, he essentially just followed the Clinton/Bush playback and lapped up the platitudes for 8 years rather than tackle anything difficult/was going to rock the boat too much.

I don't quite understand arguments like this. Is it not often said that the Republicans heavily blocked Obama?

 

[Suedesi]

Someone on 5Live earlier, didn't catch the name, was saying that Trump is able to disguise his wealthy background and engage with the average blue collar voter because he doesn't do the photo ops often. He doesn't pretend to enjoy a beer at a murky bar or anything like that. It made me think about how detached politicians are from the rest of us, and how we all know it.

While it was great watching Walz, and his friendly nature, going to the small town store and chatting with the workers, seeing Harris try to have the same personable attitude just felt wooden. Trump would have been the same so he tried to avoid it as much as possible, opting to just have his grand and dumb as feck rallies where he mumbled like a madman. At least it was honest and authentic to the kind of person he was.

The main point was that Trump being Trump resonated with people and energised them to get out and vote, whereas Harris pretending to be the everywoman had the opposite effect. Nobody knew what she really stood for because she played it safe.

Trump doesn’t drink, so he’s not about to fake enjoying a beer at a dive bar. He’s a familiar figure—decades in the NY tabloids, a reality TV star, and a former president—so name recognition isn’t an issue. But he still put in the effort to stay visible: he campaigned hard, hit the media circuit, did unscripted podcast appearances, and never held back on his opinions. He’d even drop by McDonald’s for a quick boost when he wanted to show some casual charm.

Harris, on the other hand, was mostly off the radar from mid-July to September—no press interviews, barely engaging with the media, almost as if the role felt too big for her. Picture it like when Fergie told Moyes he’d be the next United manager, and Moyes’s initial reaction was a mix of shock and sinking into the sofa leather in pure terror. With no real primary on the Democratic side, voters didn’t get much of a chance to size her up as a candidate. And when she did show up, besides a rough Fox interview, her media appearances were mostly softball setups—pre-scripted questions or chats with late-night hosts—giving the public hardly any chance to see her in a real, high-stakes moment.

Walz was actually great - genuine, authentic and a salt of the earth kind of person I'd have no problem voting for if he was top of the ticket.

 

[Mogget]

Yeah, I have to agree with this. Obama squandered a very rare opportunity that politicians rarely get in a democracy - large mainstream support and a clear mandate. In addition to that, he also had low interest rates to build what he wanted.

For me, the problem wasn't that he allowed his conservative instincts tale over, as even that could have still allowed him to do what he wanted. Instead, it was that he appeared to fall into the trap of overly enjoying being a celebrity icon and deciding that he already was a good to great' president simply by being elected as a first ethic minority president.

For me, he essentially just followed the Clinton/Bush playback and lapped up the platitudes for 8 years rather than tackle anything difficult/was going to rock the boat too much.

Obama is a neoliberal who is only interested in serving capital. He only "squandered" the opportunity because he was never actually going to use it to bring about meaningful change.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

It sucks but yeah this is probably true. America is a chauvinistic country and it can't take the idea of a female president seriously.

The data points are not very good.

Of the five elections, two of them (1984 and 2008) were not going to be won by the party who fielded a female VP regardless of who the candidate was, they got obliterated in very unfavorable conditions. That leaves three elections and a 2/3 rate which is not exactly conclusive.

 

[Newtonius]

Andrea Mitchell is a decrepit old ghoul and yet she came out of this better. The Democratic consultant class is absolutely fecking infested with this kind of thinking. White women have proven twice that they just don't care about your gender identity signifier, how can you ask them to 'modify their voting behaviour'?

For whatever reason they will never stop pushing identity politics, even now when its proven to be so divisive as to be one of the main reasons to elect Trump of all people its been nothing but throwing around accusations of racism and sexism all day, just shut up people are tired of it.

fecking assholes should have been Bernie, might have won in 2016 and he certainly would have won this one, nope, of course the DNC is corrupt and rigged the primaries in conjunction with a lying smearing media.

 

[gaffs]

For whatever reason they will never stop pushing identity politics, even now when its proven to be so divisive as to be one of the main reasons to elect Trump of all people its been nothing but throwing around accusations of racism and sexism all day.

fecking assholes should have been Bernie, might have won in 2016 and he certainly would have won this one, nope, of course the DNC is corrupt and rigged the primaries in conjunction with a lying smearing media.

Identity politics is not even close to one of the main reasons Trump was elected.

And quite frankly, they way that Democrats are losing latinos, they may need one on their ticket soon - along with far better economic messaging.

 

[MarylandMUFan]

I don't quite understand arguments like this. Is it not often said that the Republicans heavily blocked Obama?

Correct. It's a miracle he got the ACA passed.

 

[gaffs]

What do the following years have in common?
1984, 2008, 2016 and 2024? A woman was nominated either for president or vice president. All of these tickets lost.

2020 was the only exception.

Now, every election has its own circumstances and environment. But the female factor was there in 2016 and it was there in 2024. You would hear people saying “a woman can’t handle Putin or Xi”.

Lazy take.

1984 Reagan and Bush won by a landslide. Who Mondale picked made zero difference. He only won 13 electoral collage votes.
2008 Again, not even a close election. Obama could have put Sarah Palin on the ticket and still won.
2016 Trump was a hell of a candidate in 2016 and tapped into what the "forgotten man" wanted to hear. Plus, Hillary had 25+ years of baggage.
2024 I think Harris was a strong candidate, but being associated with Biden killed her. You only have to look at the exit polling favorable ratings to see that - her favorables beat Trump.

There will be a female president, but it has to be the right person running under the right conditions. Same as it would be for any man running.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

Figuring out how to counter an information environment the yields this has to be a priority.

Nobody every said ASU was a good school.

 

[Suedesi]

 

[Carolina Red]

It’s not like America chose Trump over Harris. It’s simply that America voted for grocery prices and border security to be more important than inclusivity and open borders policy.

I personally can’t wait to see the impact on grocery prices of mass deportation of the farming & meat packing workforce.

 

[RDCR07]

What's her policy again?

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=summary+of+kamala+harris+policies

 

[AfonsoAlves]

I personally can’t wait to see the impact on grocery prices of mass deportation of the farming & meat packing workforce.

The problem here is not being looked at correctly:

Why does USA have such a reliance on immigration for its menial jobs when it has such a gigantic domestic population already - many of whom are actively not in unemployment numbers due to lack of intention of ever being in employment.

The solution to lack of people wanting to do menial jobs is not infinite immigration - it's making it lucrative and fair enough so that it's considered decent, honest and most importantly dignified work for a good pay.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Really a minor point in all this, but where does someone like Harris go from here? I imagine she's done running for office.

She could return to the Senate. Never mind. Schiff is in and he's never leaving, and although Alex Padilla took over from Harris when she became VP, he's not giving that seat up, either. Maybe she retires.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

The problem here is not being looked at correctly:

Why does USA have such a reliance on immigration for its menial jobs when it has such a gigantic domestic population already - many of whom are actively not in unemployment numbers due to lack of intention of ever being in employment.

The solution to lack of people wanting to do menial jobs is not infinite immigration - it's making it lucrative and fair enough so that it's considered decent, honest and most importantly dignified work for a good pay.

Oh but it is. That's the soul and spirit of capitalism, always looking for new laborers to exploit. The true costs of food and housing would skyrocket if the amount of seasonal, unskilled, migrant, off the books labor was reduced.

 

[Pscholes18]

Whats going to happen in a years time when we are still paying $4 to $6 for gal of gas, rent is still increasing, and we are dropping a paycheck for a carton of eggs?

He will lay blame to the left, and his cult will laud him for it.

 

[Pscholes18]

The problem here is not being looked at correctly:

Why does USA have such a reliance on immigration for its menial jobs when it has such a gigantic domestic population already - many of whom are actively not in unemployment numbers due to lack of intention of ever being in employment.

The solution to lack of people wanting to do menial jobs is not infinite immigration - it's making it lucrative and fair enough so that it's considered decent, honest and most importantly dignified work for a good pay.

Good luck getting the self absorbed middle class Brad, Chad, and Becky out in the fields picking grapes.

 

[AfonsoAlves]

Oh but it is. That's the soul and spirit of capitalism, always looking for new laborers to exploit. The true costs of food and housing would skyrocket if the amount of seasonal, unskilled, migrant, off the books labor was reduced.

It wouldn't. You drive increases in productivity thus lowering costs through investment in technology and/or processes - not through 18th century practices of just getting 100 bodies in a cotton mill. The world has been doing this from the 1920's all the way through to the early 90's, for some reason modern neo-liberalism dictates that immigration and not innovation is the solution.

In 1950 there were 350,000 workers in the US coal industry.
In 1970 there were 125,00.
In 2023 there are 54,000.

In 1950 USA mined 500 million short tonnes of coal.
In 1970 USA mined 700 million short tonnes of coal.
In 2008 USA mined 1.18 billion short tonnes of coal.

2.2x the production with 1/7th the number of people:

This means from 1970 to 2008 there was a 15.4x increase in productivity.

Good luck getting the self absorbed middle class Brad, Chad, and Becky out in the fields picking grapes.

This is incredibly offensive to people. People are not working their not because they are self absorbed. But because the conditions are horrible and the pay is shit. That doesn't make people self-absorbed. It just makes them demotivated.

 

[Redivy]

Very weird seeing so many liberals vehemently attack minority groups today.

Anyone who lives outside of the "centre" is no better than the other. Ive seen people in here who are left wing make jokes about Al Qaeda and hoping Trump/Musk are killed. I've seen right wing basically claim Ukraine is expandable.

You can't claim you are any better than Trump if you make shit jokes about minorities, education status etc

 

[gaffs]

Yeah, I have to agree with this. Obama squandered a very rare opportunity that politicians rarely get in a democracy - large mainstream support and a clear mandate. In addition to that, he also had low interest rates to build what he wanted.

For me, the problem wasn't that he allowed his conservative instincts tale over, as even that could have still allowed him to do what he wanted. Instead, it was that he appeared to fall into the trap of overly enjoying being a celebrity icon and deciding that he already was a good to great' president simply by being elected as a first ethic minority president.

For me, he essentially just followed the Clinton/Bush playback and lapped up the platitudes for 8 years rather than tackle anything difficult/was going to rock the boat too much.

What would you base that take on?

 

[AfonsoAlves]

Very weird seeing so many liberals vehemently attack minority groups today.

Anyone who lives outside of the "centre" is no better than the other. Ive seen people in here who are left wing make jokes about Al Qaeda and hoping Trump/Musk are killed. I've seen right wing basically claim Ukraine is expandable.

You can't claim you are any better than Trump if you make shit jokes about minorities, education status etc

There's a clear difference between edgy dark humour and actually believing the shit you say.

 

[Redivy]

There's a clear difference between edgy dark humour and actually believing the shit you say.

There is, and there is time for jokes, but minorities are actually being put through it today. Plenty of people are bashing Black men, Arab Americans and Latinos today. As if they should just fall in line and not get their say?

 

[AfonsoAlves]

There is, and there is time for jokes, but minorities are actually being put through it today. Plenty of people are bashing Black men, Arab Americans and Latinos today. As if they should just fall in line and not get their say?

Okay, but how are those jokes? That's just prejudice, discrimination or racism.

Your post was equivalating people making dark jokes like, "Come on Al-Qaeda, do your thing!", to people who actually believe the shit they say.

 

[Wibble]

Voted for the guy who will help a now emboldened Netanyahu completely annex the West Bank.

Who could have seen that coming?

 

[gaffs]

Honestly though, so much of this can be laid at the feet of Obama. He was granted a once in a lifetime opportunity to build a lasting governing majority in the mold of FDR. Came into office with overwhelming support and a clear mandate, but let his legislative inexperience and conservative instincts took over and failed to deliver on a signature policy (public option/M4A) or robust reforms (Glass Steagal revival/Wall St. prosecution for the financial crisis) that could've cemented the goodwill to the Dems for a generation, also failed to use the bully pulpit to communicate directly to voters in the style of the fireside chats to bypass legacy media/right wing disinformation network, or let the grassroots organisation that fueled his campaign to be dismantled and retreat from rural areas, letting Republicans recover and run unopposed in thousands of state legislative seats that won the 2010 census and created a damnningly tilted playing field for them ever since. Despite his electoral success, his party has been in rough shape ever since, riven by the established interests that adopted him and the activists wing that was the fuel for his rise, that is also increasingly marginalised and engulfed in internecine squabble themselves (Sanders/AOC being disowned by DSA)

It feels like the US have missed the boat this time, the 1939 Nazis were *in* government, the 2024 Nazis are now the government.

A lot of truth hera, but lets remember Obama only had two years where Democrats controlled the three branches of Government. There was always going to be a reaction to his presidency, which we saw in 2010 with the tea party movement.

He passed a lot of regulation in his first two years including the ACA, Dodd-Frank and the ARA post the 2007-08 financial crisis and a tax relief bill, among many others.