14 year old child held over murder of 80-year-old in park

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Three children and two teenagers have been arrested over the murder of an 80-year-old man.

The victim, who was walking his dog in Franklin Park, Leicestershire, was seriously assaulted on Sunday and died in hospital last night.

A boy and a girl, both 14, and one boy and two girls, all aged 12, have been arrested on suspicion of murder.

https://news.sky.com/story/three-ch...d-over-murder-of-80-year-old-in-park-13208922

What the feck.
 
Just sickening but we'll find out a couple of them are from broken homes and the others followed along due to peer pressure.

The problem is how to punish and rehabilitate those kids.

Some people are just unimaginably cruel and evil.
 
When the only people having children are people who shouldn't have children
 
Is it actually a boy and a girl aged 14 and a boy and two girls aged 12 or is it actually five adult male immigrants that identify as a boy and a girl aged 14 and a boy and two girls aged 12? If it’s the latter I’m calling the lads and rioting, it’s the latter isn’t it? Grab your bricks lads.
 
Evil mindless little cnuts. Throw away the key on them all.
 
horsechoker said:
Just sickening but we'll find out a couple of them are from broken homes and the others followed along due to peer pressure.

The problem is how to punish and rehabilitate those kids.

Some people are just unimaginably cruel and evil.
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They likely won't be punished to any great extent given their age and do they do that great a job at rehabilitating many criminals these days?
 
Need to be made an example of.
Age really shouldn't be a factor.

They done a serious crime and should be punished accordingly.
Until people are punished in the correct manner, stuff like this will happen.

Kids these days are getting worse, because of a severe lack of punishment.
All you see now is little dickheads walking round with balaclavas on, in groups thinking they're some kind of gangsters.

So yeah, if a 12yr old spends the next 35yrs in prison, feck em, somebody has died, so they've had a much worse punishment
 
Sickening. Parents need to be questioned.

Sympathy for the victim and his family.
 
horsechoker said:
Some people are just unimaginably cruel and evil.
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It's neither unimaginable nor evil.

I can very much imagine a bunch of shitty kids beating an old person to death in a park.

And evil suggests that it's otherworldly. There'll be completely understandable, human reasons why this happened - human behaviour has been studied extensively and continues to be.

Doesn't make it any less horrific but we need to get away from thinking it's some incredible thing that we can't fathom. Humans are capable of horrible cruelty and stupidly awful decisions.
 
Igor Drefljak said:
Need to be made an example of.
Age really shouldn't be a factor.

They done a serious crime and should be punished accordingly.
Until people are punished in the correct manner, stuff like this will happen.

Kids these days are getting worse, because of a severe lack of punishment.
All you see now is little dickheads walking round with balaclavas on, in groups thinking they're some kind of gangsters.

So yeah, if a 12yr old spends the next 35yrs in prison, feck em, somebody has died, so they've had a much worse punishment
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It absolutely should and gladly is. The idea that age shouldn’t factor into these things is quite frankly absurd.
 
Age Limits on murder is pathetic. Time to hold parents accountable too, they should be serving jail time for raising monsters.

Only problem is there's so much scum to do away with there's not even enough space in prison.

Sigh.
 
Terrible cases like this do always bring out the angry mob with pitchforks mentality in people. Yes, this is horrific, but that doesn't mean we should do away with factoring in whether the offender is a child or not. Nor does it mean we should throw the parents in jail for raising a monster. Sure, their situation at home should be investigated, but there are many reason some children turn into "monsters", be it mental illness or their personal circumstances.

All in all, a tragedy this.
 
DouLou said:
Age Limits on murder is pathetic. Time to hold parents accountable too, they should be serving jail time for raising monsters.

Only problem is there's so much scum to do away with there's not even enough space in prison.

Sigh.
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Yes. Because while we know for a fact, that children’s brains aren’t yet fully developed and they are therefore incapable of understanding the consequences of their actions in the same way adults are, we all know that the brain makes an exception for murder. The part responsible for understanding murder is obviously fully developed at the moment of birth.
 
We're on extremely out of date info in this thread. Four of the kids were released yesterday. Only one of the 14 year olds is currently being questioned.
 
DouLou said:
Age Limits on murder is pathetic. Time to hold parents accountable too, they should be serving jail time for raising monsters.

Only problem is there's so much scum to do away with there's not even enough space in prison.

Sigh.
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The problem is how do you prove it and what if the parents weren't at fault?
 
DouLou said:
Age Limits on murder is pathetic. Time to hold parents accountable too, they should be serving jail time for raising monsters.

Only problem is there's so much scum to do away with there's not even enough space in prison.

Sigh.
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In some cases that'd be a massive leap! How on earth do you prove that?
 
KirkDuyt said:
Terrible cases like this do always bring out the angry mob with pitchforks mentality in people. Yes, this is horrific, but that doesn't mean we should do away with factoring in whether the offender is a child or not. Nor does it mean we should throw the parents in jail for raising a monster. Sure, their situation at home should be investigated, but there are many reason some children turn into "monsters", be it mental illness or their personal circumstances.

All in all, a tragedy this.
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Honestly, it's not about pitchforks and mob justice. Yeah, you'll find naturally in the moment most of us wouldn't mind seeing those guilty of such heinous crimes dropped in the middle of the ocean, but from a more logical perspective having kids tried as adults for murder and having parents investigated for neglect is hardly a radical take.
 
Can guarantee most of these kids will come from broken/dysfunctional families.
Not absolving them of any blame but the root cause of this type of behaviour is poor/neglectful parenting, in my view at least
 
DouLou said:
Honestly, it's not about pitchforks and mob justice. Yeah, you'll find naturally in the moment most of us wouldn't mind seeing those guilty of such heinous crimes dropped in the middle of the ocean, but from a more logical perspective having kids tried as adults for murder and having parents investigated for neglect is hardly a radical take.
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It is an extremely radical take and goes against the core principles of any rule of law in civilised societies. It’s an enormously short sighted and illogical concept. Especially the idea that kids should be treated differently from adults, except for murder is devoid of any logic.
It is pitchforks and mob justice.
 
DouLou said:
Why not conduct an investigation into the environment they were raised in? Parents abusing drugs, neglect, child abuse etc
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But what if none of that comes up? If its drugs what if the parents are just as much victims?

If they are abused then if course it needs to be investigated separately but you can't charge parents with murder
 
HTG said:
It is an extremely radical take and goes against the core principles of any rule of law in civilised societies. It’s an enormously short sighted and illogical concept. Especially the idea that kids should be treated differently from adults, except for murder is devoid of any logic.
It is pitchforks and mob justice.
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Science says the brain develops until the mid 20's. What exactly is radical about re-evaluating the ages at which we consider people adults? Is 18 proven unequivocally by all science, reason and logic to be the best number?

Of course you can have different levels of leniency for crimes depending on their nature, but how many young teens in the world are not able to appreciate the depth/seriousness of murder? We're not talking gang on gang violence here. This is beating a defenseless old man to death.

horsechoker said:
But what if none of that comes up? If its drugs what if the parents are just as much victims?

If they are abused then if course it needs to be investigated separately but you can't charge parents with murder
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If nothing comes up then nothing comes up.

It's kinda funny to me that if an owner of a pitbull beat it daily and one day that pitbull got loose and mauled someone to death we wouldn't hesitate for a second to say the owner should serve jail time and never own a pitbull again. But here we are having this conversation.
 
DouLou said:
Honestly, it's not about pitchforks and mob justice. Yeah, you'll find naturally in the moment most of us wouldn't mind seeing those guilty of such heinous crimes dropped in the middle of the ocean, but from a more logical perspective having kids tried as adults for murder and having parents investigated for neglect is hardly a radical take.
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Parental neglect is obviously a big problem in society in general, but it's not something you can really punish through the justice system. Nor should we want to. How do you prove that a child did something because of their parents? It's not that black and white, many factors play a role. Some people are not fit to be parents, that's for sure, but becoming a parent is still a choice everyone should have and the way a parent raisies a child is (and in my opinion should never be) regulated by the government. What if the terrible parent had terrible parents themselves, should the blame and punishment then shift one generation further back? It's not a workable thing to do.
 
DouLou said:
It's kinda funny to me that if an owner of a pitbull beat it daily and one day that pitbull got loose and mauled someone to death we wouldn't hesitate for a second to say the owner should serve jail time and never own a pitbull again. But here we are having this conversation.
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Children aren't dogs though
 
DouLou said:
Science says the brain develops until the mid 20's. What exactly is radical about re-evaluating the ages at which we consider people adults? Is 18 proven unequivocally by all science, reason and logic to be the best number?

Of course you can have different levels of leniency for crimes depending on their nature, but how many young teens in the world are not able to appreciate the depth/seriousness of murder? We're not talking gang on gang violence here. This is beating a defenseless old man to death.



If nothing comes up then nothing comes up.

It's kinda funny to me that if an owner of a pitbull beat it daily and one day that pitbull got loose and mauled someone to death we wouldn't hesitate for a second to say the owner should serve jail time and never own a pitbull again. But here we are having this conversation.
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18 is a better number than let’s say 12. Wether it’s the best is up to discussion. However, many legal systems include the possibility of being trialled as a minor eben for those above 18. Germany for example. So the law takes that into account one way or another. Thank god it does. Wouldn’t spend a single day in a society with the kind of laws you seem to wish.
 
HTG said:
It absolutely should and gladly is. The idea that age shouldn’t factor into these things is quite frankly absurd.
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They killed a man here, why shouldn't they be harshly punished?
 
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