I think he means it - I can definitely see how trust could be broken between ETH and the hierarchy. Big question is, now that we know he's staying, how does that trust get rebuilt and how do we ensure any misalignment doesn't derail the new season?
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) is joined by CEO Duncan Drasdo and Financial Director Andy Green from the Manchester United Supporters Trust for a special episode on all things behind the scenes at Old Trafford including a brief history of MUST and their aims today, views on INEOS and Sir Jim Ratcliffe so far, and the Old Trafford regeneration.
But considering statements he made over time he really values Overmars and trusts him. Looking at what he said yesterday ("they are new to football") I don't think he feels the same way about the INEOS guys. Of course there could be different problems, but conceding power to people he doesn't rate surely could be a problem.
No, I really mean it. He has all the reason in the world to not trust them with decision making. He has the power in his current contract which is at least the veto power, he should do whatever he can to keep it or else he’s going to find it really uncomfortable to work with them.
I don’t even know how that relationship is supposed to work from here but the least that needs to happen is for ETH to have a significant say.
He was bang on about Southgate if those quotes are translated correctly.
Maybe he was indifferent to whether Utd sacked him or not, he just went off on his holiday and waited. Clearly his attitude rubs people up the wrong way, but I think he's confident in his own ability and once he gets the right players in a few more positions we'll see Utd do better.
Maybe he was indifferent to whether Utd sacked him or not, he just went off on his holiday and waited. Clearly his attitude rubs people up the wrong way, but I think he's confident in his own ability and once he gets the right players in a few more positions we'll see Utd do better.
He has coached two different teams in a CL final which is an achievement very few managers have done: Ancelotti, Happel, Heynckes, Hitzfeld, Klopp, Mourinho, van Gaal, Tuchel, and Guardiola. He may have flaws but this is a legit achievement.
Tuchel also got three different teams to a CL semifinal. That list narrows down to Ancelotti, Guardiola, Mourinho and Tuchel.
We kept Ten Hag because of an FA Cup…
Ten Hag's entire reputation comes from reaching CL semis once and winning a domestic cup with United. What does that make him then?
Yeah him winning multiple leagues had nothing to do with it.
You are really poorly informed. Why speak with such authority. You have no clue of the work he did at Bayern, Utrecht and Ajax. He's done a quite poor job so far, but this is just false.
When was the last time a Dutch club went 6/6 in the group stage in the CL? When was the last time United even managed to do that? There's few clubs that manage this in Europe every now and then, the likes of the dominant Bayern, Barcelona and maybe Real Madrid.
Precisely my sentiment
Yes let’s jump to conclusions mere minutes into their reign when they have decades of shit to sort.
This place is something else, turns quicker than warm milk.
It was the tulip’s league to be fair, one step down from the farmer’s league. Once he went to a strong league, he looked completely clueless.
Yes. Absolutely. Di Matteo won a CL with Chelsea getting past arguably the best team in football history along the way. Would you argue he is a good manager? Anyone can fluke a CL. Ancelotti has like 5 CL's and I still consider Guardiola the far superior manager because Ancelotti has seriously underwhelmed in the league where the best team always wins. While Guardiola, as much as I criticize him for taking 'easy' jobs', always makes his teams downright unplayable. You'll seldom if ever see his teams on the backseat.
We kept Ten Hag because of his past CV and the fact that he won 2 trophies with United in 2 years, something we haven't seen since Mourinho's first season. We also kept him because quite frankly it ain't like Guardiola or Klopp are on the market. The managers you want to replace him with are subpar replacements coming off from bad seasons to put it mildly. And Ten Hag has earned his trust given the amount of issues he had to deal with this season and the overperforming in the first season.
This is absolute nonsense, buddy. The CL has absolutely ZERO to do with what made Ten Hag so attractive as a manager. His work at Utrech and Ajax was unbelievable and he also did a lot of good work with the Bayern II side, albeit you can argue it's Bayern. Couldn't care less what he did in the CL. SAF won 2 CL's yet I don't consider any manager in the world to hold a candle on him.
So a bit like Tuchel too.
At least in a full season Ten Hag has shown he can win trophies.
He also won the Regionalliga Bayern. Not sure what derogative name we should give that... the beer league maybe?
It's a nice achievement. But it was quickly undermined by exiting the competition in the R16 against a fairly weak Benfica.
Tuchel won an UCL to be fair. And reached the final of another.
There is no universe when EtH ranks higher than him. At least not so far.
Damn right, how could people forget about his dominant Ajax going 6/6 in the group stage in the CL?
I mean, tbf after almost making the finals once with Ajax, his second biggest achievement in the CL has to be that season where he almost made the QF.
It's not an achievement if no one really aims for it. The objective is to top the group and if not, at least proceed.
This is the kind of shite reasoning that Liverpool and City fans give for their teams being the bestest of all time because they got to high 90 points while we never did. We didn't because we never needed to.
Yes taking over half way..
Di Matteo has won a UCL too.
Tuchel won the Bundesliga and UCL joining half way.
He couldn't even win a 1 horse league title last season.
At much bigger clubs, bit of a silly comparison
Fairly weak Benfica that finished above Barcelona in the group stage? Yeah right. Even without that, it is still something that very teams manage to do, let alone a team from the Eredivisie.
For as great as Ajax was in those years, I also think that the team was at times too immature/naive at the final stages, didn't mean that they weren't playing wonderful football in the build up to it. They absolutely got robbed vs Chelsea though, scandalous refereeing that match.
I will not engage in your weird reductionist arguments. Try and compare his achievements at Ajax, with the managers before him and after him and that will speak of itself.
With his latest comments is he just playing the usual contract negotiation hardball or is he having 2nd thoughts himself that Utd is the club for him?
Bit of a dig at INEOS with the 'they are new to football' comment , sort of they don't know what they doing yet.
Bit of a dig at INEOS with the 'they are new to football' comment , sort of they don't know what they doing yet.
I think he's genuinely confused and frustrated, as he should be. I know I wouldn't want to be in his shoes, working for a company that has openly undermined me, are trying to restrict my power and don't seem to know what they are doing.
It doesn't even matter that we struggled last year. Either we accept that, let it go, keep him and respect him, or we continue with a different coach. We've chosen to do the former and we should behave like we mean it.
We kept Ten Hag because Tuchel said no.
Have you spoken to Tuchel to know that is what happened?
Still sitting on that neutral fence there bud?
I feel like there's a new healthy tension between the board and Erik
- Erik knows that the board are willing to explore other candidates and are prepared to hire a replacement if required
- The board knows that Erik is currently the right choice but he's also prepared to quit and will get plenty of good others
This provides quite a decent balance where neither party is overly secure.
I think this is a good outcome for us.
Now, let's get shifting all that deadwood!
- Erik knows that the board are willing to explore other candidates and are prepared to hire a replacement if required
- The board knows that Erik is currently the right choice but he's also prepared to quit and will get plenty of good others
This provides quite a decent balance where neither party is overly secure.
I think this is a good outcome for us.
Now, let's get shifting all that deadwood!
Benfica had 8 points in the group stage (and a negative GD) and finished 3rd in their domestic league, 11 points behind 2nd place. That is a fairly weak Benfica team, yes.
I worry that he still thinks he's made no mistakes, I'm not sure I recall him ever reflecting on his failures beyond externalising the blame.
Chances are next season we'll have to play Maguire a fair bit, is he going to actually adjust when that's the case or just blame the players/owners again.
Chances are next season we'll have to play Maguire a fair bit, is he going to actually adjust when that's the case or just blame the players/owners again.
I see some Jimmies are rustled here and there. I loved his quotes from that studio last night. The man does know how to talk. Now he has time to show his tenure on building the squad and improving our play also.
That's fair and it means that he was the best manager Ajax had in a long time. No arguments there.
But you didn't say that. You just made up an achievement called "6/6 in CL group stages".
His Ajax team is rightly remembered for knocking out Real and Juventus on the way to the semis. I don't know how many people except for Ajax fans even consider "6/6 in a CL group stage" to be a meaningful part of his CV.
I don't think we are at this stage yet. Also not sure what kind of offers he would receive.
I wouldn't say ETH is coming out of this looking bad at all. He's milking the situation to his advantage, he's quite clearly exasperated with the club but he has all the right to be. His smugness is completely warranted as well, can't fault him for that.
Nah I plucked the splinters out my ass ages ago
It is a fact, it is not made up "achievement". If I was hiring a manager, it would be a positive. There's few teams that achieve that, 20 goals for in 6 matches, and 5 goals against. Besiktas was horrible (though I 'd never like to play them away). But Sporting and Dortmund are two clubs who generally perform better than Ajax in Europe, it was quite a huge feat. In a knock-out round, anything can happen. Don't take your chances, give away silly goals, have Onana in your team and fair enough. But for a few years, Ajax was consistently playing great football in Europe, and taking the game even to European top teams.
Think ETH is overplaying his hand. Have INEOS actually made a statement on this whole debacle? They are negotiating with him to stay on because on balance - there has been some groundwork done and to walk away now would mean a full reboot - but it’s not unthinkable that INESO could be pissed about some of those comments and tell him to do one -
Jesus, on the basis of the fact that they bought the right to manage the football side of the club for hunderds of millions they are completely entitled to consider if they want their own manager - ETH knows he was not their choice.
all in all I think Ten Hag is putting his ego before the team. These comments are not helpful to anyone.
- his Transfers were poor
- his style of play did not evolve to deal with clear issues
- his results were poor and we have been embarrassed beyond acceptability on a number of occasions
- his medical staff and him have made poor decisions
- there is no indication that he is loved by the dressing room and therefore carries significant favour with key members of the squad
So his bargaining chips are limited.
Jesus, on the basis of the fact that they bought the right to manage the football side of the club for hunderds of millions they are completely entitled to consider if they want their own manager - ETH knows he was not their choice.
all in all I think Ten Hag is putting his ego before the team. These comments are not helpful to anyone.
- his Transfers were poor
- his style of play did not evolve to deal with clear issues
- his results were poor and we have been embarrassed beyond acceptability on a number of occasions
- his medical staff and him have made poor decisions
- there is no indication that he is loved by the dressing room and therefore carries significant favour with key members of the squad
So his bargaining chips are limited.