not to mention the players and coaching staff and any transfer targets.
Erik ten Hag - Manchester United manager
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Fascinating post. Does this not imply that ETH is tactically completely inept then? Where I would take issue is the assumption that we would be defending in the opposition half. A high press would never be that high. But yes having such a depleted midfield implies that would be necessary and I'm not sure how it's supposed to work in ETH's head.
If I was a betting man, I would bet a good amount that we'll be dragging our feet like this all summer long. Nothing ever seems to change with this club.
We'll be preparing bids all summer long and doing very little. Then we'll start next season with the likes of Rashford and Maguire in the starting lineup, Ten Hag bobbling his head all over in his technical area, and then we'll all be shocked when we start losing matches again.
We'll be preparing bids all summer long and doing very little. Then we'll start next season with the likes of Rashford and Maguire in the starting lineup, Ten Hag bobbling his head all over in his technical area, and then we'll all be shocked when we start losing matches again.
So in other words will be Friday night probably
You do know that Madrid were propbably negotiating with Vasquez and Madrid for some months. Moreover it’s not like Mbappe to Madrid is new news. Chill
Exactly this, we will spend a whole pre season with maybe 1 player, the manager will have to adapt and play players he doesn't want, cant play his style and start the season, lose a few games, panic, sign players for big fees.
Its the recent history and heritage of manutd to do this.
INEOS at the moment are not giving me any encouragement that this will change.
You will get pro INEOS fans who will say, but the structure isnt there, transfer window isnt open, its the EUROS, players are on holiday excuses whilst every club does deals and we are holding excuses.
This uncertainty is not right in an environment where moral, trust and authority are determinant.
It's almost amusing the frenzy the press has got some of you in. Surely you can also see the back tracking since the fa cup. The same journos who told you a review was being done before the end of the season, they then told you he was sacked no matter after the fa cup, they then revert to actually the review is the week after. Now watch the stories die down. In fact the pretty much already have. It's what the press do everytime they are wrong 
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I'm not sure what announcement you are waiting for. The club isn't going to announce he is staying just because the press come out with a load of stories - a bit like the club don't make announcements every time the press claim we are going to sign a player.
If he was getting the sack it would have been last week. Announcing they have decided to keep him...well you may as well have sacked him.
It's going to be a long summer for some of you, I can see it now, end of July and its still "I think they we announce it next week".
.I'm not sure what announcement you are waiting for. The club isn't going to announce he is staying just because the press come out with a load of stories - a bit like the club don't make announcements every time the press claim we are going to sign a player.
If he was getting the sack it would have been last week. Announcing they have decided to keep him...well you may as well have sacked him.
It's going to be a long summer for some of you, I can see it now, end of July and its still "I think they we announce it next week".
I'd predict that we will have some sort of clarity on the situation before Thursday, but letting it drag on further wouldn't surprise me either. Especially with Ten Hag on holiday and not available for face to face discussions, Berrada not officially starting for another 6 weeks, and no known development to the Ashworth situation despite being told that the arbitration would be in May.
After what happened with LVG, that wasn't happening. Maybe if we got embarrassed in the final. ETH went straight on holiday so nothing is happening until he's back in my opinion.It's almost amusing the frenzy the press has got some of you in. Surely you can also see the back tracking since the fa cup. The same journos who told you a review was being done before the end of the season, they then told you he was sacked no matter after the fa cup, they then revert to actually the review is the week after. Now watch the stories die down. In fact the pretty much already have. It's what the press do everytime they are wrong
I'm not sure what announcement you are waiting for. The club isn't going to announce he is staying just because the press come out with a load of stories - a bit like the club don't make announcements every time the press claim we are going to sign a player.
If he was getting the sack it would have been last week. Announcing they have decided to keep him...well you may as well have sacked him.
It's going to be a long summer for some of you, I can see it now, end of July and its still "I think they we announce it next week".
I dont think so, when new owners come in, then say things like we will review the managers position, it is imperative they make a statement of some sorts.It's almost amusing the frenzy the press has got some of you in. Surely you can also see the back tracking since the fa cup. The same journos who told you a review was being done before the end of the season, they then told you he was sacked no matter after the fa cup, they then revert to actually the review is the week after. Now watch the stories die down. In fact the pretty much already have. It's what the press do everytime they are wrong
I'm not sure what announcement you are waiting for. The club isn't going to announce he is staying just because the press come out with a load of stories - a bit like the club don't make announcements every time the press claim we are going to sign a player.
If he was getting the sack it would have been last week. Announcing they have decided to keep him...well you may as well have sacked him.
It's going to be a long summer for some of you, I can see it now, end of July and its still "I think they we announce it next week".
Considering how many times SJR has been asked about Ten Hag and he has avoided all of that, even he knows either way they need to make a statement.
Like I said...long summer.
I guess it's a lot easier when you support another teamIt's almost amusing the frenzy the press has got some of you in. Surely you can also see the back tracking since the fa cup. The same journos who told you a review was being done before the end of the season, they then told you he was sacked no matter after the fa cup, they then revert to actually the review is the week after. Now watch the stories die down. In fact the pretty much already have. It's what the press do everytime they are wrong
I'm not sure what announcement you are waiting for. The club isn't going to announce he is staying just because the press come out with a load of stories - a bit like the club don't make announcements every time the press claim we are going to sign a player.
If he was getting the sack it would have been last week. Announcing they have decided to keep him...well you may as well have sacked him.
It's going to be a long summer for some of you, I can see it now, end of July and its still "I think they we announce it next week".
What on earth are you talking about?
Are you 12 or something. Anyone who disagrees must support another team.....
Good to see we are sticking with our tradition of taking absolute forever to sort anything out.
"Oh Daddy, Jim, thank you for preaching patience in our decision making, hopefully we can be a serious club under your stewardship"
*2 months later*
"INEOS OUT! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT TO THE GLAZERS !!! WHY DIDN'T WE SACK HIM 3 YEARS AGO!!"
*2 months later*
"INEOS OUT! THIS IS NO DIFFERENT TO THE GLAZERS !!! WHY DIDN'T WE SACK HIM 3 YEARS AGO!!"
It had, the whinging from the fans obviously made them pause for thought.
Walk to the right decision, not run to the wrong one. SJR own words and it looks like he means it.
You seem awfully happy with our situation.What on earth are you talking about?
Are you 12 or something. Anyone who disagrees must support another team.....
Quiet amusing coming from someone whos first reaction to winning the FA cup was begging SJR to pull an LVG.
I guess thats the sort of situation you are happy for a team to be in, and you have the brass neck to say I must support another team. Embarrassing.
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Tuchel would fall head over heels to get the job so surely not him.
They are reviewing each individual shot on goal we faced this season. The review is expected to conclude sometime in 2029.
Taking so long only makes sense if they're waiting to sack him and are negotiating with someone else to put them quickly into the job.
Otherwise it's an even more embarrassing farce than anything the Glazers managed.
Otherwise it's an even more embarrassing farce than anything the Glazers managed.
Standard Caf logic.Maybe the club has already decided on keeping ETH and are just biding their time on the announcement?
You cant take this long and decide to keep him, clearly they dont have confidence in him if its taking 2/3 months to decide whether he is the man or not?
They started the review in when Cox was appointed. If its taking 3 months to decide on the whether to keep the manager or not, how long will it take to appoint one?
Who is even doing the review?
Pretty sure Ineos have indicated that they won’t get involved in the footballing decisions.
That just leaves Jason Wilcox sitting in an office by himself jumping from seat to seat and arguing with different versions of himself
Any competent owners (especially fairly new ones) will be conducting an ongoing review ever they stepped foot in the place officially six months ago. Doing an ‘end of season review’ with seemingly no review before that (like the press are suggesting) just runs the risk of recency bias influencing your decision. Does winning the FA Cup last game of the season hold more weight than any of our embarrassing Champions League games or getting destroyed by Bournemouth at home or Palace away?
Are the press just second-guessing our moves and this ‘end of season review’ is just based on conjecture?
Are the press just second-guessing our moves and this ‘end of season review’ is just based on conjecture?
If fan sentiment made them change their mind, then they probably shouldn't be running a football club
The Sun is having a right go at Ratcliffe today. Whoever wrote the article must have been on here looking for pointers.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28272261/erik-ten-hag-ratcliffe-man-utd/
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/28272261/erik-ten-hag-ratcliffe-man-utd/
The longer it drags the more inclined I am to believe he’s staying, unfortunately.
I don't think that he is inept because his history suggests otherwise. I simply think that for some reason when he planned to tweak our system he overlooked some things and doubled down out of pride or stubbornness. It wouldn't be the first manager to do it, nor the last. I also believe that he will fix it if he stays but I am bothered by the fact that he didn't do it earlier and for that reason I will have a hard time trusting his mentality in the future.
Also my assumption isn't that the back line should be in the opposition's half, I'm being facetious because people keep bringing the defensive line height into an issue that is 30-40m above that line, keeping in mind that the highest lines in Europe are roughly 6-7m higher, you still have 30m² of desolated midfield. The point I'm making is that it's not where people should focus their minds and they should also take into account the fact that a higher defensive line isn't a good match for a team that wants to play fast and direct Football unless you are extremely good at pressing the opposition in their own third of the field, the two examples of that are Tottenham around 2016 and to some extent Liverpool since 2017-2018, but both teams packed their midfield and had midfielders that would rarely enter the final third which is the opposite of what we have done since the second half of last season.
ETH tried to mix concepts that can't be mixed because they expose each others. And you end up with a subpar attack and defense.
That part of the Sun article is spot on though.
Even if they decide to keep him they couldnt have made it any clearer it's by default and hes not actually wanted. It's the biggest managerial undermining job ever.
Even if they decide to keep him they couldnt have made it any clearer it's by default and hes not actually wanted. It's the biggest managerial undermining job ever.
I am inclined to think the opposite.
The longer the review goes on, the more Ten Hag would think they dont believe him.
It would have been easy to keep him if they wanted to by saying, Ten Hag has a contract and we back him. The fact that SJR has avoided that topic from day 1, didnt't seem to keep on him at the trophy lift, no mention of the manager in his tweet, all points to a sack.
You missed 'Ten Hag uses this as an excuse as to why he has no style of play and opposition teams are averaging 30 shots per match on our goal' - which is practically guaranteed to happen.
Walk not crawl.
Not taking any responsibility for the transfers should be the last drop! I can't believe the nerve of this fella
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Valid, and I’ve considered that angle, but now I’m looking at it like - “staying” is the default position, and it would be easier to act as if all the noise around Ten Hag was media speculation and the club was always intent on keeping him.
For clarification - I do think they’ve considered sacking, I just think people rallied around Ten Hag fiercely in a manner that they weren’t expecting to. No decision til now doesn’t bode well for next season, so it might just be easier to keep Ten Hag than getting someone else in with not a great deal of time to review/prepare and forecast for next season.
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