Arsenal's goal's scoring was even worse than our ours under EtH in those two 8th place finishes under Arteta. I was surprised because in the past two seasons Arsenal seem to be scoring goals for fun, but it took some time for them to get going. Klopp's Liverpool were always high scoring though.
Never heard of this fella but I’ll put my eggs in this basket. Let’s go
thread jumped the shark a while backi got some really nice hugo broos t-shirts the last time i went to turkey.
But don't you think it's fair to compare season to season instead of comparing a work in progress to a well oiled machine?
Yes but we're led to believe by some on here that this woyl
My thoughts exactly. We went backwards this season and it can't just be blamed on injuries.
Moyes was indeed crap….
Let's keep it real . There is absolutely zero comparison between Moyes taking over the serial champions and finishing 7th , to ten hags taking over a top 4 yo yo club that hadn't won a league for 10 years and managing it to 8th in an injury crippled 2nd season .
He's been a Dortmund fan all his life and held a season ticket, came up the staff ranks at Dortmund and has he dream job. He's not coming here unless Dortmund sack him.
You are right. It's surprising that a review of the season is being conducted without the main man responsible for the season a part of it. How can they come to any conclusions without his inputs and explanations?
Good thing Murtough's already been let go. Tend to agree about the tactics though, I have had a lot of time for EtH but the tactics have been too poor to ignore.
What's the point of that though - he's either the right guy or he isn't. If he's the right guy, just back him for another year. Otherwise sack now. What will they discover midway next season that they couldn't discover by watching old tapes?
Don't agree with that tbf. I think if he does stay, he probably won't have much room for error and sacking him mid-season is something INEOS would have to have a contingency plan for. ETH himself would know that if he does stay, he needs to have a good season. Having said all that, I still think he's getting sacked this summer.
Hard to argue with that. I just don't think the managers out there , are the 'right guy'. It's not a good situation for Ineos to get things rolling. I would have paid up to get McKenna and given him the keys, but what do I know? I'm just an old lacrosse player from the States
I don’t think he’s getting sacked next season if he stays. If we persist with him it means we are ready to accept a season like this, and that we treat him as a long term option.
Pretty much what I think. You don’t keep him as a trial, if you believe him to be the best manager to take United forward you have to support him heavily and ensure he has everything he needs to succeed, not have to worry about getting fired while trying to integrate players he’s not familiar with that he didn’t even ask for.
He will inevitably fail and these same prats will keep making excuses for him while throwing the players under the bus. We are wasting our time waiting for him to turn things around, it's not happening.
It's Southgate we are waiting for. INEOS want a true blood British team
Or ... money.
If he stays, here is the excuses list for next season:
Agree, but if people are going to quote Moyes….
I'm sure there's others too
If they had bought Frenkie de Jong we'd challenge for 4th.I'm sure there's others too
Please no that would be an abomination
Let'd draw some parallels to SAF's time for perspective:
When you look at our transfers from 2022 to present then its obvious who the main driver in identifying players has been. If you told me Murtagh suggested Casemiro I wouldn't argue. But what makes you think he suggested Hojlund? Especially as you say ETH has relied on his agency, who I believe Hojlund is also with.
They really do need to hurry up though. Be decisive ffs. This is something the fans have felt United are not in years and you’d hope that ineos would be better at it.
Sick of hearing about injury excuses which never seem to get mentioned when Utd win.
Well, how do you explain him drawing Bayern in the group stages twice, then putting 4 past Real at the Bernabeu, knocking Juve out on their home turf and being seconds away from a CL final. Are all them teams from the Eredevise as well?
More than thirty years ago, mate. Things have changed, under Sir Alex he couldn't sign players from all over the world, he didn't have half a billion to piss away, our academy wasn't producing generational players he had to build it and he was Sir Alex who had broken the big two hold on the Scottish title and the only guy to beat Madrid in a European final in over 30 years.
Well he demanded, as a condition before coming in, that he be the system and £400m later we now have worse issues than we had when he came in.
A fact people like to conveniently gloss over.
Spot on and his accomplices in that triumvirate of mediocrity have been sacked why should he survive when he was the protagonist?
Why don’t you explain it?
How exactly did Ten Hag manage 86 league games over 2 seasons when there are only 38 per season meaning 76 over two seasons?
with more trophies
And this scenario is completely unqiue to Manchester United, it wouldn't also be similar at a similar sized club like Liverpool?
Europa and UCL points clearly!!How exactly did Ten Hag manage 86 league games over 2 seasons when there are only 38 per season meaning 76 over two seasons?
75 points in 22-23 and 60 points in 23-24 gives Ten Hag 1.77 PPG not 1.95.
