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Thoughts on Tuchel as a potential United manager?
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It'll be another two years wasted.
As far as I'm aware he's the manager of Bayern München who are in the semi finals of the CL. They win the CL and they won't be unhappy with him. Yes they didn't win 11th in a row but they lose the title 1 season to an unbeaten team and take home a CL? They'll be happy with that.
At the moment he's unavaible like any other decent alternative.
At the moment he's unavaible like any other decent alternative.
Huh? You do know that he is leaving Bayern at the end of season?
Would take him ahead of Potter and Southgate
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That's all true. Nonetheless they already terminated his contract for the end of this season, so he's available in the summer.
Would be a train wreck. Another short term solution
He is not a long term solution, if it was down to just EtH and Tuchel I'd probably take Tuchel but both are flawed.
Still feel the same way, although I'm coming around to accepting that it's going to happen anyway. I just hope we don't offer him more than 2 years.
Considerably better option than Southgate, Potter, EtH, but underwhelming still.
1. Manager who has history of winning stuff.
2. Manager who likes discipline (exactly what we need now).
3. Manager who has style of play which is not defensive. Ok, this is something where i am subjective; Bayern fans pointed out that he is not attacking manager who plays run and gun football with which i agree. But i prefer managers who like controlled football.
4. He has good reputation which will give him authority among our (spoiled) player.
2. Manager who likes discipline (exactly what we need now).
3. Manager who has style of play which is not defensive. Ok, this is something where i am subjective; Bayern fans pointed out that he is not attacking manager who plays run and gun football with which i agree. But i prefer managers who like controlled football.
4. He has good reputation which will give him authority among our (spoiled) player.
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No I did not. Managers and clubs usually don't decide to part ways amicably 4 months ahead of time like that. Thought it was like Xavi saying he'd leave but we saw how that changed.
He's a much better manager than Erik and respectively the job is too big for Potter / Southgate. I think it's reasonable to bring in Tuchel for the short term and use that period to find a longer term replacement. It's down to either persisting with a failing manager who's recent statements affirm more of the same if he's being kept on or you go for a more proven candidate.
The football is also a non-issue I would take Tuchels tactical accommodation over Erik's scattergun approach this season.
The football is also a non-issue I would take Tuchels tactical accommodation over Erik's scattergun approach this season.
He‘s a certainty to go to a big club ….hope Utd get him before someone else does.
I’m warming to this idea, something feels off about it though.
Another managers signings that two years down the line another manager will have to accommodate. At some point we’ve got to give someone time to shape a squad. Or at least replace one manager with a similar one
I think he’d be a great alternative to the current manager.
Initially I didn't want him, but I see no stand out alternatives, especially now Nagelsmann has committed further to Germany.
Let's face it, it makes alot of sense with him being available, and ETH being useless.
Let's face it, it makes alot of sense with him being available, and ETH being useless.
You realise we're getting a new structure in place precisely to avoid this, right?
Well that’ll guarantee it will work then
Very meh.
We are having completely new structure where manager is not in charge of transfers. And Tuchel is one of those managers who doesn't insist to have "his players". He is more a coach than old school manager.
I don’t know for certain, but I’m pretty sure he’s not the man to do it. Let’s say, hypothetically, we got Alonso. I’d feel pretty confident of us regularly competing for the big competitions under him. I can’t say the same about Tuchel. With our new director structure in place I’d hope they appoint a manager that can have us going toe to toe in the biggest matches through their footballing philosophy even if the work takes a couple of years to come to fruition in terms of results. I feel like I’ve seen what Tuchel is capable of and it’s not the standard we should be aiming for.
He‘s won the Champions League for gods sake
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We should steer clear
I would give him 1 season.
Since when did Klopp coach PSG, Chelsea and Bayern?
so did Di MatteoHe‘s won the Champions League for gods sake
Why? Because he doesn't want to live in past? Would you be happy coming on new job and everybody saying: "previous guy did that and that" or "he did it in other way around".
Personally i think that it is exactly what we need; stop talking about United way, how Fergie did this and that and other stuff. Lets give new manager clean start to implement his way of doing things.
Did Matteo also win the Bundesliga and 2x Ligue 1 ?
Your comparing Di Matteo to Tuchel is fecking ridiculous
That is not the standard we should aim for. Provided everyone is fit, we should aim for competing for top 4, you know...He‘s won the Champions League for gods sake
like comparing Cafu and John O’Shea because they’re both Champions league winning RB’s
I would be pretty happy with Tuchel. Couple other interest options out there, but quite a few grenades to miss.
Also reached the UCL final with PSG. The closest they've ever got to winning it. Him playing Neymar as a 10 really brought out the best of Neymar that season.
If he beats Madrid he will have been in 3 ucl finals in the last 5 years. He's not a De Matteo it quite clearly isn't a one off.
I think the point was you can't just say "he won a champions league" and have that end the argument, you have to look at the career in context. So for example, his winning the champions league with Chelsea is definitely a fantastic achievement. I'd also say losing the cup final to Leicester that same season is bad. Being one of the many managers to win titles with Bayern and PSG isn't particularly impressive to me. Getting to the final of the CL with PSG is one on the face of it, but the path there in the knockouts was Dortmund, Atalanta (covid knockout) and RB Leipzig (covid knockout). If he wins it this season with Bayern then bravo, but in that scenario I'd feel pretty sure he miraculously gets a new contract with them.
I also can't really handwave away the frequent falling out with clubs just because he's the only manager available that's won something, if a manager can fall out with people he WILL fall out with people here, particularly during a period where there are very likely going to be teething issues with the new structure.
Lets not forget that he beat City in finals as underdog. Tactically it was top performance by Tuchel. At the end, Chelsea had even more shots than City.
His record against City/Liverpool is one of the reasons I want him here. His records against top teams is really good.