Mass shooting at gaming tournament in Florida
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Police have confirmed the shooter was a 24 year old from Baltimore.
The gaming community now knows the identity of the shooter but I'm not going to post it in here.
There was a 24 year old from Baltimore who attended the event who had previously tweeted about people being worthless and about wanting to kill himself but not put his gf through it.
The gaming community now knows the identity of the shooter but I'm not going to post it in here.
There was a 24 year old from Baltimore who attended the event who had previously tweeted about people being worthless and about wanting to kill himself but not put his gf through it.
Ah I see. Yeah I know that. I was implying that even a President has been shot. Yeah it's happened multiple times but nothing has changed as we know.
Awful thing to have happened 
rip to those who have gone.
rip to those who have gone.So David Katz has been named as various newspapers as the shooter. He was himself a contestant at this competition and was disgruntled at losing.
The audio popped up on my twitter feed and I watched it before realising that people were dead from it.
I didn't know anything about this incident until I saw the thread in the CE Forum.
But when I saw it was only 3 pages long, I knew for a fact the shooter wasn't going to be a Muslim.
But when I saw it was only 3 pages long, I knew for a fact the shooter wasn't going to be a Muslim.
What's the death toll looking like?
3 (I think) including the shooter.
Small blessing the way these things are these days
Buffalo Bills have paraded him in their merchandise in every picture there is online of him. Good advertisement.
Go to school : get shot
Go to work: get shot
Go to a concert: get shot
Go to play video games : get shot
Anybody caring to defend the country's tier - 1 status again?
Go to work: get shot
Go to a concert: get shot
Go to play video games : get shot
Anybody caring to defend the country's tier - 1 status again?
America sounds off the wall in terms of how competitive it is so I'm not surprised it can lead to situations where people go ballistic for losing a videogame.
Usually people make causal links between violence and competition but for me it seems like it has more to do with the culture being a boiling pot for poor mental health. The allowance of guns in such an environment is unbelievable really. It's also horrible to see videogames previously being enjoyable ways to pass the time, now being turned into ways to compete, be the best, earn money, and all that jazz. It's genuinely like something out of the Hunger Games or Existenz (old David Cronenborg movie).
RIP to the two people who died.
Usually people make causal links between violence and competition but for me it seems like it has more to do with the culture being a boiling pot for poor mental health. The allowance of guns in such an environment is unbelievable really. It's also horrible to see videogames previously being enjoyable ways to pass the time, now being turned into ways to compete, be the best, earn money, and all that jazz. It's genuinely like something out of the Hunger Games or Existenz (old David Cronenborg movie).
RIP to the two people who died.
Has anyone seen any clips of the suspect being interviewed? I just watched one on youtube and he looks completely devoid of any emotion. He has such a vacant look in his eyes.
He might still be muslim, but he didn't look Arabic.
Muslim shooter in Toronto only got two pages.
Toronto though, so people can't fill it with posts about how shit the USA is and have discussions about gun control. Half these threads are usually just a repeat of something about Donald Trump or something about instead of thoughts and prayers how about ban guns. Those posts don't apply to events in Canada.
With a name like David Katz he probably converted from Judaism to Islam
btw, thoughts and prayers....
So just like the rest of Redcafe, the thread's becoming people pushing narratives.
I was thinking about this when I drove through some small towns. I don't think its a causal relationship so much as they both come from the same historical source. I think there is something about the frontier and frontier mentality that's embedded in America culture from the 1700-1800s that is just absent from European culture.
As the continent was colonized there was always a frontier (even space "the final frontier"). The frontier is always more dangerous, so guns are a necessary tool. I think the reason guns are seen so differently in Europe and America is at least partially because the long term cultural impact was very different in the 1700-1800s. Americans had the frontier which is a lonelier place. On the frontier guns are useful tools that can protect against predators. On the cynical side they were useful in achieving superior firepower over the native tribes.
Corn farming in America contrasts with rice farming in China. Corn is much more dependent on the weather whereas rice farming is more direct labor->output. I think its reasonable that corn farmers in the area that would become part of the bible belt were heavily dependent on "praying" for crop favorable weather, similar to how natives of this region would have rain dances.
But while America was dealing with the frontier, that concept I don't think had any cultural influence on Europe from the era of pre-Napoleon to French Revolution I to Napoleon through the Concert of Europe. Europe was dealing with issues like long wars then once a relative peace was established with the Concert, then the issues were internal and driven by monarchy, the reformation, revolution. Liberals taking from Adam Smith, revolutionaries of the Marxist influence, etc. I think Europe during 1700-1800 had a vastly different cultural experience with guns and god than America. In Europe there was definitely a war weariness by the time WWII ended.
While in America the frontier mentality still prevailed into the 20th century. Guns are the useful tool that is necessary for protection. God is embedded with the farmers, ranchers who prayed for favorable weather. I am generalizing a lot here but I think in Europe the war weariness translated into more wariness towards guns, while in America the frontier mentality of useful tool still prevailed into the modern culture along with a more interactive type of God.
It's actually because they're stupid. No logical connection is required as it would only complicate things.
Some Muslim related terror doesn't even get a thread now
In America, at an event involving video games... this thread could have turned out massive with a different narrative for people to hitch their wagons to.
Maybe yeah. It would've been part of a bigger story and not something we've seen for a while. As it happens it's just another mass shooting in America.
Personally I'm just jaded from all the shooting news. It's not that I don't want to feel for the people or don't if I read articles about them or see videos about them. I just don't click on them in general anymore as opposed to how big it felt some years ago... I kind of feel bad but at the same time I think it's a natural coping mechanism.
Why is the US so extreme when it comes to violence? Obviously I'm generalising here but I always feel as though if you went round prisons in England it's just full of chavs serving a few years for fighting or stealing whereas America seems to be full of supermax prisons full of thousands of mass murderers and gang members serving life sentences.
They always like to say it's too soon to politicise the event too if it was a white shooter.
The blood isn’t even dry on the bodies yet TM
The blood will never fecking be dry as long as people have that kind of access to guns.
I made a long post about this in the gun control thread. Basically I think a big part of this is, the USA hasn't faced the true horrors of modern mechanized warfare the way the rest of the world has. The US Civil War just bordered the modern era of warfare. Due to this, I basically argued that the rest of the world, has in large part, rejected casual ownership of guns due to their collective experience with catastrophic warfare or civil unrest over the last 100-120 years. So the US does still have that rah rah lets go get em attitude. I should also say, this is the civilian population, because US servicemen HAVE seen it, but it hasn't been a collective experience where both the civilian, and military populations experienced it together. I also suggested Canada, and other countries like Australia that have largely avoided this kind of horror, have probably adopted the cultural experience from their European parentage due to closer ties to those European countries.
In our case (Canada), it's not the cultural heritage from Europe but the cold () fact that without being a cooperative society that leans toward collective effort, most of us would have frozen to death long ago. Indeed, though most would not admit it, it's our nation's inherent heritage from our indigenous peoples that showed the way there.
) fact that without being a cooperative society that leans toward collective effort, most of us would have frozen to death long ago. Indeed, though most would not admit it, it's our nation's inherent heritage from our indigenous peoples that showed the way there.Damn right. Why the ones that could do something about it don't share our opinions comes down to one thing... Money.
I hope they rot with their money
In our case (Canada), it's not the cultural heritage from Europe but the cold (
Maybe, but during WW1 and WW2, Canada and the other commonwealth nations were still very close to the UK. Literally family close, a huge percentage of soldiers who fought in WW1 and WW2 from Canada, were either first generation immigrants, or, literally had close relatives fighting. So there is definitely a shared experience in WW1 and WW2 that Canada and Australia, New Zealand, South Africa etc have, that didn't exist to that extent in the USA. When London was bombed, there were a lot of Canadians who had siblings, parents, cousins who were being bombed and killed.
The USA did come to the rescue eventually.
Don't tarnish the entire country. There's good people here that don't want this cnut.
Don't tarnish the entire country. There's good people here that don't want this cnut.
Meh. We had better heating by then.
So Canadians learned more about violence from WW2 than Americans because they had relatives in London? Pearl Harbor and the horrific slog through the misery of the Pacific front just a sideshow in that instance, I presume?
I struggle to see the relevance.
Maybe I am wrong here, but he does not refer at the violence but what he is trying to say is that Canada, NZ, Australia and South Africa had more ties with UK than US, basically because they became independent later (Canada was only 50 years independent on WWI and they preserved more ties inside the Commonwealth while the US left after a n independence war AGAINST brits almost 200 years ago back then and had time to create their own identity
That doesn't help in regards to a predisposition against violence relative to each nation.