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Would you be worried if one of our rivals poached Ralf to be their manager at at the end of this season?
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Arsenal or Spurs maybe yeah. Arteta is a nobody and Conte will never stay at such a small club. I would thoroughly love if any of them hired Ole Solskjær as their manager though. Would be great to see Liverpool lose 1-3 at home to Watford and talk about the boys and the lads and the great vibes, the great fans and bla bla. You know, everything to deflect the attacks on his blatant lack of competence.
I'm perfectly happy to have Ralf as caretaker until summer, but can anyone seriously say that they've seen anything that indicates he belongs at the top level as a manager? It's not as if he really elevated us. He has coached us for sixteen games now, and only twice have we scored more than two goals. He has a win rate of 50% despite the fact that we have yet to face a real top side under him. His hardest games thus far have been West Ham and Atletico. We've had an absurdly easy string of opponents under him and he has won eight out of sixteen against Palace, Young Boys, Norwich, Newcastle, Burnley, Wolves, Villa, Brentford, West Ham, Middlesbrough, Brighton, Leeds, and Atletico at their lowest point in a decade. A 50% win rate and 31:21 score over sixteen games without so much as a single top-tier opponent? I'm not saying that's all his fault, but why would anybody talk about him as if we should be worried if another club appoints him as manager? I'll be pleased if he stays as DOF, since that's actually his line of work, but as a manager he's not impressive on any level whatsoever.
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I would be happy for the club that gets him and most likely it would be mid table team soon about to get incredible boost in their chances for steady development.
I agree. He’s done an okay job, not good, not bad. Doesn’t deserve an extension in the coaching role. But this was always the idea, get him in the coaching role for 6 months, so that he hopefully advises the new manager next season. He’s had the best view of the squad, it’s strengths and weaknesses now.
I think with a good youth and scouting setup, RR could take a top 10 side to top 4. It still remains to be seen if he can take a top 4 side to compete for the title.
No
It baffles me that the day after that performance last night is the time to start a thread asking if we would worry about him managing our rivals. Absolutely not. And they won’t.
If by rivals you mean the top 3, "Yes, please"
If you mean our cohort of 4th place chasing bottlers, I'd rather not.
If you mean our cohort of 4th place chasing bottlers, I'd rather not.
He hasn't spent money. He has lost players in the transfer window. He has no pre-season and here we are in 4th place, recognisable style of play and an even chance of progressing. I guarantee you that there will be teams clamouring to sign him as manager (since he has proven himself as a manager with us) when the season is done. Unlike Ole.
Why would I be worried? He's a decent stopgap and seems to have a knack for long-term building on a club level but his actual career as a manager/head coach hasn't given us any reasons to worry about a potential stint at a rival.
Spot on really. I’d be chuffed if he replaced Pep or Klopp, happy enough if he replaced Tuchel, reasonably annoyed if he went to Spurs as they can do much worse once Conte gives them the two fingers, and fuming if he replaced Arteta, because that one isn’t a competition. He’s a massive upgrade on Ole, but Ten Hag would be a massive upgrade on him too.
I like Ralf a lot though, says the right things and generally makes the right decision more often than not too, while the football on display isn’t too shabby.
Our best 3 games of the season are still the ones under Carrick...I couldn't give a feck where Ralf goes tbh, I think he's only marginally better than Ole.
This site!
We scrape a draw against a relatively weak Atletico team who gave us a bit of a run around, and suddenly there's a thread about how much we'd miss the stand in manager?!
Bizarre.
We scrape a draw against a relatively weak Atletico team who gave us a bit of a run around, and suddenly there's a thread about how much we'd miss the stand in manager?!
Bizarre.
Not even slightly.
Somehow I suspect Ralf isn't suddenly going to emerge into arguably the best manager ever seen in history.
If Wolves or Spurs took him on it wouldn't bother me.
Of course I'd be worried. Damn fine coach that came into a shithole that this team is but still producing and trying to implement his style.
Most of the Caf users wouldn't mind of course, cause he isn't named Ole Gunnar Freestyle and doesn't talk enough about the United DNA.
All this moaning about a manager that came 2 months before. Where were all these guys for the past 3 years?
Most of the Caf users wouldn't mind of course, cause he isn't named Ole Gunnar Freestyle and doesn't talk enough about the United DNA.
All this moaning about a manager that came 2 months before. Where were all these guys for the past 3 years?
Not really. Ralf isnt a accomplished manager in the Klopp/Pep league. The hype around Ralf is a style of play being attributed to him, not his professional accomplishments.
Its Ten Hag all the way.
Rangnick already signed a contract for a consultancy role at the club, which comes into effect at the season's end. Why would someone want to poach him?
Nah our rivals already have great, more proven managers in charge.
Unless were being honest about who are rivals are in which case it'd be a bit annoying for west ham or arsenal to get him.
Unless were being honest about who are rivals are in which case it'd be a bit annoying for west ham or arsenal to get him.
It's not just this one game of course in which we didn't play well at all in the first half. We seem to be moving in the right direction under difficult circumstances and he is proving capable. Let's see how the season ends and whether my prediction pans out.
My argument has been simple - we have been one of the world teams In the league with one of the best squads. Hopefully rr is turning that around now. But on the evidence so far he isn't a top coach, the evidence from this club and others, ten years ago
What rivals? Westham? yeah he's better than Moyes for sure.
Apologies if this has been said... But even the most talented men can only do so much with fragile egos. Fortunately those egos belong to the select few who haven't performed. I don't understand why we just cant fix the academy like any rational football club should rather than spend fortunes on a quick commercial gain on overpriced jerseys. But what the feck do I know.
Non of our rivals will trade their managers for Ralf, even Arsenal are probably content with Arteta's current project. Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte are all better than Ralf, easily too.
I mean at one point in time on here if you had the same thread for Ole, there would have been many saying yes so I can't say it's unexpected for Ralf.
The answer is no unless our rivals are Leicester and Wolves.
The answer is no unless our rivals are Leicester and Wolves.
Agree.
In a broader sense, he's having to learn on the job/ while games are think and fast. I'm wonder if there is a pattern emerging where he plays weaker at the start and goes stronger later on because we cannot sustain play. He's honest and stable, slowly players are being put in their place without him calling them out directly.
He's getting a fiddle out of a broken instrument.
Conte has a winning track record.
In the past few years, he has won a lot of league titles.
I realise you may not like him, but winning is his forte and right now winning a trophy seems to be eluding us.
I'll remind you that the last time we won a trophy was when we had a proven winner managing us.
There were very few people who felt that an EPL rival would ever hire Ole. Ole would manage us and after that, he will never manage in the EPL. He was a terrible manager that no team (even a team at the bottom of the EPL table) would swap with us.
I would in the sense that I wouldn't trust the Glazers to appoint anyone else in the consultancy role he's meant to take up.
Not Chelsea and especially not Liverpool or City considering the managers they have now, but the likes of West Ham, Wolves, Arsenal and Spurs? I would be worried. They’d follow his game plan from the beginning and he wouldn’t have to adjust his tactics to compensate for a squad that cant’t/won’t play the way he wants his football to be played. If we played against a team that pressed like we did in his first match in charge (and I’m assuming that’s how he would always want to play), we’d be shitting bricks.
No. Next year he'll be still with us regardless.
If he does well over the fixtures in the next month then I would be inclined to say yes
Chelsea wanted him as an interim manager before Tuchel. What do Sky sports know? They waxed lyrical about Sherwood at Spurs. Ralph prefers working with hungry young players looking to prove a point, players like Elanga and a young Mane who he signed from Metz. He'd have a bigger impact than Bielsa because he values a good defense
So does Benitez, what's your point?
Tell me when the last time Conte won a league title without spending a fortune or without being at a club that was already the most dominant team in their league?
He's a toxic child who will do exactly what he's doing at Spurs, at United. If you think that's fine, I've got news for you. We're still recovering from the mess our last 'proven winner' left when he was sacked.
I wouldn't at all
Yes, not so much because Ralf is the best manager there is for us but more that we are likely to go back into making a mess of our next appointment. Especially since Ralf will not be taking consultancy role as well.
I think this is unfair question tbh. Ralf’s body of work to date vs what he could do with a pre-season and summer transfer window are quite different scenarios.
I do think he could improve Tottenham, Arsenal and possibly West Ham though West Ham are well suited to their manager and ambitions.
I do think he could improve Tottenham, Arsenal and possibly West Ham though West Ham are well suited to their manager and ambitions.