Why the heck #OLEOUT is trending again?

I find that I sometimes tend to flipflop as I want Ole to do well but I know he won't, and it's the hope in Ole that the club at board level are trading off.

Deep down I know Ole isn't going to get us where we want to be, I think everyone does deep down. I'm at a point now where I think the club really do need to be ruthless and accept nothing but success, as many of our rivals across Europe operate.

We are in a dilemma though of the top managers all now being in secure jobs. You have Zidane and Conte available I suppose, the later is someone I think could do the job but at what cost long-term.

At the moment we are standing still as a club, and standing still is the same as going backwards in football. The squad we have amassed really needs to be challenging for all honours. Not losing Europa League finals to the mighty Villarreal.
 
I used to be fully supportive of Ole. But I must admit, my support is now flagging. My main gripe is we still have the same major problems almost 3 years into his management: ball retention and positional play. He has done a decent job so far, but I feel we can still improve so much, especially in the middle of the park. The Soton game was such a let down.
 
James35 said:
Anything but a win v Wolves, it will be trending again.

I've been Ole out since he got the job permanently, I still am but I still want us to win games every week and hopefully trophies.

This is a massive season for him but top 4 and he'll keep his job, think that is all the club aspires to these days so the #OleOut means nothing really.
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Yeah I have exactly the same stance on the situation so nice to see someone else can see where I'm coming from
 
PL top 4 is very competitive this season but when you think Pep Vs Tuchel Vs Klopp Vs Ole you can see what starts Utd out as fourth ranked. That's why it will trend after every defeat. The sense that of delaying the inevitable.
 
#Oleout or not if we keep top 4 and qualify CL 1/4 he gets to keep his job. Why? Because club is stabilized, money is flowing in and club has very good team that plays OK football. Basically if business is good Ole keeps his job (that's why he almost always plays it safe). PL or CL title are not that important to owners.
 
The problem is, Ole has assembled arguably the best squad since Fergie. There is a great sense of harmony and team spirit. I personally dont think Ole is good enough to take us where we feel entitled to be ( me included). My fear is that you could bring in a new manager that doesn't get on with certain key players and sells off half the team. Then we are back to square one. What Ole has achieved in stabilizing the club could be undone so fast by a 'genius' manager having a tantrum.
 
I think this will happen even if we win the title. Some people are so entrenched in their views that they will put any good results on player quality alone and never give the manager any credit.
 
hobbers said:
It means something if the fanbase dont just bend over and let the owners dictate the expectations like Arsenal's did.
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I agree it means something to individuals but I don't think it means anything to the club unless Solskjaer finishes outside of top 4 and even then I still doubt they would sack him if he finished 5th for example, as too many people would accept this judging by what I read and speak with about to other fans. He gets a lot of leeway because of who he is.

He would really need to shit the bed to be replaced...but that is just my opinion of course.

I just hope we win a trophy and really challenge this season.
 
jackal&hyde said:
I think this will happen even if we win the title. Some people are so entrenched in their views that they will put any good results on player quality alone and never give the manager any credit.
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If we win the title then it would only be because he needed world class players in every position to do it, and because every other club had a poor season. Look at last seasons 2nd for proof of that - zero credit given.

Fans are demanding a 'serious title challenge' this year, which seems to mean within 1 to 4 points of the winners, but if that is achieved the narrative will be twisted so that Ole and the team choked or bottled another chance of a trophy.
 
Bilbo said:
If we win the title then it would only be because he needed world class players in every position to do it, and because every other club had a poor season. Look at last seasons 2nd for proof of that - zero credit given.

Fans are demanding a 'serious title challenge' this year, which seems to mean within 1 to 4 points of the winners, but if that is achieved the narrative will be twisted so that Ole and the team choked or bottled another chance of a trophy.
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Yep, or the season before with 3ed. I would not mind this if it was consistent but other managers that are doing much worse don't have half the criticism.
 
jackal&hyde said:
Yep, or the season before with 3ed. I would not mind this if it was consistent but other managers that are doing much worse don't have half the criticism.
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Tuchel is doing better than him in the league since his appointment and also has 2 huge trophies to show for it. He also didn't sign any new players and worked with whatever he had. It would be naive if you think that Ole is any better than him based on finishing 2nd considering half the season under Lampard was in shambles.

Forget about other managers. Let's just talk about how there is close to zero improvement in some areas where there are glaring deficiencies? Does it really take 2 and a half years to coach a team to deal better with press? We haven't witnessed it this season, but I will not be surprised when we struggle against the low block.

Southampton game was a prime example of taking one step forward and then taking next step backwards. There is no consistency under him. 2.5 years is enough evidence to make claims that there will never be any going forwards.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Tuchel is doing better than him in the league since his appointment and also has 2 huge trophies to show for it. He also didn't sign any new players and worked with whatever he had. It would be naive if you think that Ole is any better than him based on finishing 2nd considering half the season under Lampard was in shambles.

Forget about other managers. Let's just talk about how there is close to zero improvement in some areas where there are glaring deficiencies? Does it really take 2 and a half years to coach a team to deal better with press? We haven't witnessed it this season, but I will not be surprised when we struggle against the low block.

Southampton game was a prime example of taking one step forward and then taking next step backwards. There is no consistency under him. 2.5 years is enough evidence to make claims that there will never be any going forwards.
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6th to 3ed to 2ed is objective improvement. You just don't want to admit it and pointing one mediocre draw this season after an emphatic win is case and point of this.
 
jackal&hyde said:
6th to 3ed to 2ed is objective improvement. You just don't want to admit it and pointing one mediocre draw this season after an emphatic win is case and point of this.
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Or maybe you dont want to admit that we keep making same mistakes every other game and just look at final standings claiming progress.

Yes, we have hugely improved under him. But I doubt he is the man that will take us forwards from here. We will be just a consistent top 4 club under him.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Or maybe you dont want to admit that we keep making same mistakes every other game and just look at final standings claiming progress.

Yes, we have hugely improved under him. But I doubt he is the man that will take us forwards from here. We will be just a consistent top 4 club under him.
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The first bolded part is what progress is measured by the most because that is the end goal, finishing first in the table rather then press stats or other such metrics.

The second bolded part is an opinion that at this point has little merit because it is an unknown. All we know is he progressed the team and results, above expectation (don't tell me you expected 3ed 2 seasons ago or second last season). I don't see signs of stalling but if this season the progress stops, we move on.
 
yipthatman said:
The problem is, Ole has assembled arguably the best squad since Fergie. There is a great sense of harmony and team spirit. I personally dont think Ole is good enough to take us where we feel entitled to be ( me included). My fear is that you could bring in a new manager that doesn't get on with certain key players and sells off half the team. Then we are back to square one. What Ole has achieved in stabilizing the club could be undone so fast by a 'genius' manager having a tantrum.
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I don't think, you will find many people on the forum who wouldn't agree with you that such a move ("sells off half the team") must be avoided at all costs. We have a structure in place now, who is supposed to provide some continuity and limits to the actual manager. Also, things like that become less likely if you do a proper scouting and make sure, that you only go for managers, who are known to have playstyles that would fit the current personal.

Not looking for manager alternatives just because of fear isn't a very rational thing to do. I think, the overwhelming majority isn't pushing for "Bring in somebody else no matter who" but for "please monitor the market to be able to act in case of need". That's also why some (including me) try to remain (in my personal view) less biased when praising the manager.

Bilbo said:
If we win the title then it would only be because he needed world class players in every position to do it, and because every other club had a poor season. Look at last seasons 2nd for proof of that - zero credit given.

Fans are demanding a 'serious title challenge' this year, which seems to mean within 1 to 4 points of the winners, but if that is achieved the narrative will be twisted so that Ole and the team choked or bottled another chance of a trophy.
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I think, the overwhelming majority of critics on that forum does give Ole a lot of credit but not as much as some of his "more enthusiastic" supporters so there will always be a conflict while the sweetspot lies somewhere in between.

And this "Back to the Future"-Argumentation is a little weird, I mean how is anybody able to know what will happen and in what fashion?! These things can always be turned to the exact opposite position while staying more or less valid. Say we get season long injuries to Bruno and Maguire, I am sure, quite a big chunk of people will instantly reduce their season expectation because of that, while still arguing that this would be different to what for example happened to Liverpool last year.

Some of the criticism is over the top. Some is just not worth talking about. But these are extreme positions and like in most contexts, there is nothing to gain fighting these extreme positions. It was like this from the beginning - and all this criticism doesn't seem to phase Ole, so maybe the fanbase can learn to deal with that kind of stuff as well. As long as there is some sort of success, there won't be any riots or something. I've read it on here as well: sometimes the most active supporters or critics aren't even fueled by events on the pitch or next to it, but by other posters and arguments.

Lets just accept that we all are a bunch of clueless people trying to create some sense out of incomplete information and multi-complex things happening on a football pitch. With some people, it will lead to creating online accounts with "Ole" in the username, with some people it will lead to being ready to throw away yearlong achievements just for a little trophy.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Tuchel is doing better than him in the league since his appointment and also has 2 huge trophies to show for it. He also didn't sign any new players and worked with whatever he had. It would be naive if you think that Ole is any better than him based on finishing 2nd considering half the season under Lampard was in shambles.

Forget about other managers. Let's just talk about how there is close to zero improvement in some areas where there are glaring deficiencies? Does it really take 2 and a half years to coach a team to deal better with press? We haven't witnessed it this season, but I will not be surprised when we struggle against the low block.

Southampton game was a prime example of taking one step forward and then taking next step backwards. There is no consistency under him. 2.5 years is enough evidence to make claims that there will never be any going forwards.
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1. How the teams perform is not a direct competition between two managers. Tuchel took over a top squad that had been heavily invested in prior to the season, and which ought to have been highly competitive. He quickly brought it to where it ought to be. That was not the situation United was in when OGS took over. Tuchel's done well, so has OGS.
2. You can't see a general and major improvement in today's team compared to the team we were fielding 2 or 2 1/12 years ago? Why do you think it's winning games far more often than those teams did?
3. Your consistency point is lazy and insufficiently thought through. Given that our record has steadily improved each year of his tenure, and that our PL results were better (and hence more consistently good) than all but two other teams in 2019-20 and all but one other team in 2020-21, how exactly is the team so inconsistent? Also, how could one possibly argue that it hasn't gone forward? In my view, it's reasonable to complain, to an extent, about a lack of consistency within single games, which has been and remains a notable characteristic and more so perhaps than most other teams. But that's a different matter.
 
NZT-One said:
I think, the overwhelming majority of critics on that forum does give Ole a lot of credit
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What this week has illustrated very clearly, is that the amount of credit Ole banked for finishing 2nd is exactly one draw
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Or maybe you dont want to admit that we keep making same mistakes every other game and just look at final standings claiming progress.

Yes, we have hugely improved under him. But I doubt he is the man that will take us forwards from here. We will be just a consistent top 4 club under him.
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You don't know that, neither all of us.

Ole ins has been very vocal about his minimum requirements this season.

Win a trophy and title challenge in the league.

This is the expected progress, 2 games into the season you can't say he will not achieve it this season just based on your know how.

Or in the nay sayers perspective, because of his PE teacher CV.
 
Bilbo said:
What this week has illustrated very clearly, is that the amount of credit Ole banked for finishing 2nd is exactly one draw
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But isn't that mostly just the same overreaction as the week before where the Match against Leeds got the juices flowing for so many on here? For some "giving credit" means drooling over him no matter of what they see and for others it means not openly asking for his head. Majority is somewhere in between. And bad performances that resemble things, we have seen and criticized for a long time, will always stir up stuff.
 
Bilbo said:
What this week has illustrated very clearly, is that the amount of credit Ole banked for finishing 2nd is exactly one draw
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Putting the social media madness aside, how many people on the Caf are asking for him to get the sack asap? I don't see many and i imagine that, if we were to have a poll, the percentage would be at an all-time low.

What i saw, mostly, were people claiming that this rollercoaster between the tremendous highs and the abysmal lows, which has admittedly been a trend throughout his tenure, made a very early reappearance. Whether it will continue or not, it remains to be seen. That's where most of his critics are at the moment, wait and see how the season will pan out.

You have every right to have more confidence in him. Others will naturally be more pessimistic. And, for better or worse, he will be scrutinized more than Pep, Klopp and Tuchel. The truth of the matter is that the latter three had much more credit in the bank when they got appointed. It's not a Solskjaer thing, it's the same in any line of work. And Neville was spot on the other day when he said that the EL final will be hanging over his head for quite some time. Not just the defeat, the performance too. It was a golden opportunity to solidify his position.
 
NZT-One said:
But isn't that mostly just the same overreaction as the week before where the Match against Leeds got the juices flowing for so many on here? For some "giving credit" means drooling over him no matter of what they see and for others it means not openly asking for his head. Majority is somewhere in between. And bad performances that resemble things, we have seen and criticized for a long time, will always stir up stuff.
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You're not wrong. Obviously it would be better if the over-reactors on both sides were able to reign that in, but if this has to be a forum that veers towards the extremes - and it undoubtedly is that nowadays - then I would prefer to be a part of a community that is overly optimistic rather than what we see every time there is a setback. Its just a nicer place to be. We are, after all, supposed to be supporters of this football club. There is not nearly enough supporting going on in my view, but perhaps I'm in the minority these days.
 
TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
Putting the social media madness aside, how many people on the Caf are asking for him to get the sack asap? I don't see many and i imagine that, if we were to have a poll, the percentage would be at an all-time low.

What i saw, mostly, were people claiming that this rollercoaster between the tremendous highs and the abysmal lows, which has admittedly been a trend throughout his tenure, made a very early reappearance. Whether it will continue or not, it remains to be seen. That's where most of his critics are at the moment, wait and see how the season will pan out.

You have every right to have more confidence in him. Others will naturally be more pessimistic. And, for better or worse, he will be scrutinized more than Pep, Klopp and Tuchel. The truth of the matter is that the latter three had much more credit in the bank when they got appointed. It's not a Solskjaer thing, it's the same in any line of work. And Neville was spot on the other day when he said that the EL final will be hanging over his head for quite some time. Not just the defeat, the performance too. It was a golden opportunity to solidify his position.
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I agree with most of this, though I suspect a poll would have a large number of posters choosing to sack him, but the bold part is key here. Drawing at Southampton isn't an abysmal low, or even close to it really, and the fact that it gets treated as such by so many is largely what seems to be alienating certain people (myself included) on here and dragging this forum towards being a bit of an asylum. We simply aren't going to play fantastically well every week and we aren't going to win every game. We never have and we never will. Its unrealistic to expect that, yet it seems to be exactly what so many do expect.
 
hobbers said:
Rightly so. Because finishing second isn't an achievement. Just as Mourinho.

If Ole wants to bank up credit he'll need silverware.
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Nobody should be thinking that 2nd is an achievement. What it is, in the context of where we were and where we are, is an indicator of progress. That's a positive thing.
 
Bilbo said:
You're not wrong. Obviously it would be better if the over-reactors on both sides were able to reign that in, but if this has to be a forum that veers towards the extremes - and it undoubtedly is that nowadays - then I would prefer to be a part of a community that is overly optimistic rather than what we see every time there is a setback. Its just a nicer place to be. We are, after all, supposed to be supporters of this football club. There is not nearly enough supporting going on in my view, but perhaps I'm in the minority these days.
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Understood and respected. But I think, to support a club, it isn't necessarily necessary to be overly optimistic about one individual of the club. But I know, what you mean - still, everybody defines for him/herself how support looks like. And to be honest, I don't think, that the majority of people would really go for the sack right now. Again, there is a vocal group, maybe even more vocal after being (in parts a bit rightfully) mocked for a while. Actio => Reactio. I'd like to think, that the overwhelming majority is hoping for the club to be as successful as possible and that means continuity and performance-based credits. Sure, a few would chip in Conte or even Allegri - but I am pretty sure, the lesson with LVG and Mourinho has been learned.
 
Bilbo said:
I agree with most of this, though I suspect a poll would have a large number of posters choosing to sack him, but the bold part is key here. Drawing at Southampton isn't an abysmal low, or even close to it really, and the fact that it gets treated as such by so many is largely what seems to be alienating certain people (myself included) on here and dragging this forum towards being a bit of an asylum. We simply aren't going to play fantastically well every week and we aren't going to win every game. We never have and we never will. Its unrealistic to expect that, yet it seems to be exactly what so many do expect.
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I believe that we've finally reached the point where most of us on the Caf, even the people who still don't think that Solskjaer is the man who'll take us all the way back to the top, can agree that it would be nonsensical not to wait until the end of the season. Or at least until we've seen enough of the first-team with the new signings. Tbf, that's something Solskjaer has earned with the work he's done thus far. It may seem like the tiniest of concessions to you, (because you have more faith in his managerial ability than others), but judging from how internet discussions usually go nowadays, it's not a small thing.

Drawing at St. Mary's is certainly not the end of the world. It's only the beginning of the season and we'll get more than enough opportunities to make up for lost ground in the league. What was worrying, to an extent, was the performance. It was lethargic, timid and, in the end, we dropped two points not because the opposition played exceptionally well, but mostly because we kept making mistake after mistake. Furthermore, the vast majority of the game showcased our inability to play on the front-foot when we are not allowed space and time on the ball. I will take back the "abysmal" characterization and i will say instead that the first two games showed, once more, both our best qualities and our greatest weaknesses as a football side under Solskjaer.

Let's wait and see. The upcoming fixtures in the league will give us the opportunity to bed the new players in smoothly (no need to alter the tactics drastically because of the opposition) and i think that drawing Villareal so soon after the EL final, can be a blessing in disguise and a chance to prove (mostly to ourselves) that we just had a very bad day back in May.
 
At this point, aren't they just some bots operated from Liverpool somewhere?
 
My worry about Ole is what will happen everyone’s fit. Playing Martial as striker against Southampton, was that to keep him happy?
 
TheRedDevil'sAdvocate said:
I believe that we've finally reached the point where most of us on the Caf, even the people who still don't think that Solskjaer is the man who'll take us all the way back to the top, can agree that it would be nonsensical not to wait until the end of the season. Or at least until we've seen enough of the first-team with the new signings. Tbf, that's something Solskjaer has earned with the work he's done thus far. It may seem like the tiniest of concessions to you, (because you have more faith in his managerial ability than others), but judging from how internet discussions usually go nowadays, it's not a small thing.

Drawing at St. Mary's is certainly not the end of the world. It's only the beginning of the season and we'll get more than enough opportunities to make up for lost ground in the league. What was worrying, to an extent, was the performance. It was lethargic, timid and, in the end, we dropped two points not because the opposition played exceptionally well, but mostly because we kept making mistake after mistake. Furthermore, the vast majority of the game showcased our inability to play on the front-foot when we are not allowed space and time on the ball. I will take back the "abysmal" characterization and i will say instead that the first two games showed, once more, both our best qualities and our greatest weaknesses as a football side under Solskjaer.

Let's wait and see. The upcoming fixtures in the league will give us the opportunity to bed the new players in smoothly (no need to alter the tactics drastically because of the opposition) and i think that drawing Villareal so soon after the EL final, can be a blessing in disguise and a chance to prove (mostly to ourselves) that we just had a very bad day back in May.
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Good post mate. The part in bold made me smile.

I think I'm probably not tailored to internet forums as they are nowadays. It was clear with our pre-season and watching the Leeds match that the squad were not all up to full match fitness yet, and we saw again there that we went from an 'only one winner here' situation with 25 minutes left, to almost hanging on for a point. This team aren't ready yet, so dropped points and ragged performances early on in the season was not a shock to me at all. In fact it was a near certainty, so I struggle to understand the panic. It just seems bizarre to me. Ridiculous.

As far as I'm concerned we haven't even seen this seasons team yet. Varane will be a game changer for our back 6 the same way Bruno was for the attack IMO. I'm enormously excited to see what this season has in store.
 
If he gets us top 4 again - he stays. His football is outdated and won't win us much but if he keeps us in the CL then fair enough.

Not getting out of this years' CL group would be bad, though. Serous question will be asked if that happens.
 
FreakyJim said:
If he gets us top 4 again - he stays. His football is outdated and won't win us much but if he keeps us in the CL then fair enough.

Not getting out of this years' CL group would be bad, though. Serous question will be asked if that happens.
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Massively outdated but his status buys him so much time with many in our fanbase and can understand that to an extent
 
Rashford, Sancho, Greenwood, Pogba, Bruno, Varane, Maguire, Shaw, Cavani, Ronaldo all on the same pitch with the same shirt?

Ole is building things that are unreal with players like Haaland even potentially joining us next year?

Why cry about a single season's expectations and stop this building in to something that could help us for years and years.

I'm patient and I'm loving it.
 
Hisha said:
PE Teacher at best in terms of coaching and tactical awareness.
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My god….. a warning for this tweet!!!! Almost 100% of caf will agree with me on this post.

With due respect to mods, someone misused their power on this instance.

EDIT: Got one more warning for another post in another thread for comparing Ole’s coaching qualities to a PE teacher. Speaking truth is forbidden now? Unbelievable!!!!

@Wibble Do you think suspending me for 2 days for these two posts was reasonable? Really?
 
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OP is probably still confused as to why Ole out is trending.
 
Hisha said:
My god….. a warning for this tweet!!!! Almost 100% of caf will agree with me on this post.

With due respect to mods, someone misused their power on this instance.

EDIT: Got one more warning for another post in another thread for comparing Ole’s coaching qualities to a PE teacher. Speaking truth is forbidden now? Unbelievable!!!!

@Wibble Do you think suspending me for 2 days for these two posts was reasonable? Really?
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The PE teacher crack is the most tedious shit ever so you deserved the warning if only for being completely unoriginal.

If we want to read such wit as that we can jump on Twitter at any time of the day and see about 200 people saying it, also acting like they’re the first person ever to come up with it.

Originality aside, and even if you think Ole is the worst manager in the league it’s a stupid childish insult - do you literally believe someone working at the top level of football is as good as a PE teacher - what does that even mean??

Finally, bumping your own posts and acting like a victim is fecking lame.
 
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