Why the heck #OLEOUT is trending again?

croadyman said:
Wouldn't feel so annoyed at him if he had appointed experienced coaches, bought a DM and give Donny a proper go, however unfortunately these are issues that rear their ugly head whether we win, lose or draw
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To be honest, I'm sick of hearing about Donny.

Fair enough don't think he been given a good crack at it, but at the same time he been non existent as well when he has played. Don't think he's the key to unlocking midfield, if he was he defo be starting more games. He's see him in the training ground every day.


I can't comment on the coaching part, no one here really knows anything about it. But we have looked very well coached at numerous times Ole been here imo, guess you tell me we looked bad at times too :lol:


And I agree on DM. I also think 100% he trying to buy one, he has mentioned it plenty this window alone about new signing, again I'm not sure if the money is there, or we need to shift players out, but Fred works hard but he is a liability. Can't be trusted.
 
Flexdegea said:
To be honest, I'm sick of hearing about Donny.

Fair enough don't think he been given a good crack at it, but at the same time he been non existent as well when he has played. Don't think he's the key to unlocking midfield, if he was he defo be starting more games. He's see him in the training ground every day.


I can't comment on the coaching part, no one here really knows anything about it. But we have looked very well coached at numerous times Ole been here imo, guess you tell me we looked bad at times too :lol:


And I agree on DM. I also think 100% he trying to buy one, he has mentioned it plenty this window alone about new signing, again I'm not sure if the money is there, or we need to shift players out, but Fred works hard but he is a liability. Can't be trusted.
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They wouldn't need to find money for one IF Ole had thought I'm not sure how Donny fits in so I will take the more sensible approach and actually put that money towards the DM this team is badly missing, in regards to the coaching I find it very worrying how a quality passer like Carrick is seemingly not improving that side of things enough
 
pcaming said:
We have seen him do well in preseason and the end of last. You have yet to see anything because he has not really been given a chance, minutes here and there is not a chance. If matic can be thrown in to provide that same kind of performance over and over, Donny can get a chance.

He's a midfielder, he needs to play to get in groove with the team. We had no midfield presence yesterday, because Fred is not comfortable with the ball and matic legs are gone, Donny solves both of those issues. Can he provide screening to the defence? probably not, but neither did the personnel we persisted with.

I don't know if he is the player we need, but I've seen enough of the others to think he warrants an actual chance to nail down a place. If he fails so be it, all the others have, at least they had the chance to fail constantly.
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What has Donny Done in the 19 chances he got last season? One goal at the start and that's it. He's been average every time he's been played. He will be played this year when Ole thinks it's the right time. Also VDB is not tackler. He's not Michael Carrick level of interceptor either. He's a good positional player. He'll be given his chance soon enough. VDB realised he was too skinny and bulked up, great! Now he better start shining after a full year in the premier league and getting used to the pace in matches and training.
 
clarkydaz said:
He literally played well a matter of weeks ago against Everton. First half he played with Matic and we moved the ball quickly. Second half he was removed and we looked like last season
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In a friendly. Come off it ffs. I've seen Andreas Pereira look world class in pre-season.
 
croadyman said:
LOOK it's not an overreaction when I have made it quite clear about his coaching shortcomings since 2019
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I was talking about Donny. You can think what you want about his coaching. He's beaten all the top managers in the Premier league. Going from Counter-attacking to attacking is a tough one. Even for the best of coaches.
 
youmeletsfly said:
Sancho played twice and didn't do anything notable either. Should he be ignored for the rest of the season and rot on the bench while inferior players like Lingard and James play 30 games a season?
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I see logic is not your strong suit. Sancho played 2 off the bench with a limited pre-season, barely any game time at the Euros. He's also playing in the Prem for the first time. Perfectly logical comparison with VDB who's been here a year yes? Overreaction Station Choo choo!!
 
croadyman said:
Not expecting to win every game but it's time Ole did something about his faults
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How many away games unbeaten now? (answer: 27 straight PL away matches unbeaten, 17W, 10D, 0L). We finished 2nd last season and we are 2 games into a new season, still on the longest unbeaten away run in PL history. Please save your moaning for better occasions.
A subpar performance, yes, but let's see where we are in a couple of months before you start with this nonsense.

We must expect to drop some points along the way, especially away from home. A team like West Brom stole points against all the top teams last season, against us, Chelsea (x2, beat the mighty Tuchel 5-2 at the Bridge), City (1-1 at the Etihad) and Liverpool (1-1 at Anfield) last season.

This happens and will probably happen a couple of more times this season, but there is no need to blow it out of proportions. When it happens for the fifth time in a row, then you can start doing what you love the most: Being miserable!
 
troylocker said:
This happens and will probably happen a couple of more times this season, but there is no need to blow it out of proportions.
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But its not the result that people have a problem with, its the manner in which it happened. Its the strange team selection, our knack of conceding from one of the few chances a defensive opponent springs on us and our general inability to break down a defensive team, all of which are ongoing themes under Ole. We see it less and less and hopefully with a fully fit team with Sancho and Varane fully integrated it'll become even rarer. This needs to be the season we push on.
 
Gazza said:
Are we “clearly the second best team in the league right now”?
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No. We were last season as the League don't lie.
But this season Chelsea, City, and possibly Liverpool will pass us by again.
We need to get that balance right in Midfield. A midfield "General" is needed here.
Most importantly Ole needs to improve on his substitute decisions.
3 semi final and 1 final loss in 2 years tells us that manager and coaches need to improve also.
Just hope all have learned in last couple of years.
 
Ole is good in his tactical setup decisions in big games. He is NOT good at personnel decisions, however. He has some irrational love for Fred (left him on against PSG last year) and hate for VdB which led him to forget that VdB bossed it against Southampton with Matic last year and that Fred is the least press-resistant CM in the PL.

He also thinks, like a forward, that if you put high-quality players in they will score at the same rate. He is compelled by Martial to break up a partnership with Greenwood as striker that is working.

In the end, you have to accept the good with the bad and Ole does have a lot of good. It doesn't stop me from wishing we had a higher-quality manager.
 
GBBQ said:
But its not the result that people have a problem with, its the manner in which it happened. Its the strange team selection, our knack of conceding from one of the few chances a defensive opponent springs on us and our general inability to break down a defensive team, all of which are ongoing themes under Ole. We see it less and less and hopefully with a fully fit team with Sancho and Varane fully integrated it'll become even rarer. This needs to be the season we push on.
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It was a match we dominated and should have won. We should have scored more than once, and we conceded on a freak deflection from a 0,07 xG-chance. How can you blame the manager or the players for a freakishly unlucky deflection like that? 0,07 xG-chances are the exact chances you want to force your opponent to take.
We were less efficient in front of goal than we should have been, just like we were more lethal than normal in our match against Leeds.

It's football. We were the better team and would normally win with a performance like that (0,59 vs 2,26 xG). That kind of domination is usually enough to win comfortably. Last night West Ham beat Leicester 4-1 (2,29 vs 0,63 xG). City won 5-0 against Norwich and created just as much as we did against Southampton (2,44 xG). In the first match against Leeds we created a lot less and scored 5 (1,64 xG). We just didn't convert the chances this time. It happens. If we deliver 2+ xG vs 1- xG performances every week this season we'll challenge for the title.
Let's leave it at that. On to the next one.
 
troylocker said:
It was a match we dominated and should have won. We should have scored more than once, and we conceded on a freak deflection from a 0,07 xG-chance. How can you blame the manager or the players for a freakishly unlucky deflection like that? 0,07 xG-chances are the exact chances you want to force your opponent to take.
We were less efficient in front of goal than we should have been, just like we were more lethal than normal in our match against Leeds.

It's football. We were the better team and would normally win with a performance like that (0,59 vs 2,26 xG). That kind of domination is usually enough to win comfortably. Last night West Ham beat Leicester 4-1 (2,29 vs 0,63 xG). City won 5-0 against Norwich and created just as much as we did against Southampton (2,44 xG). In the first match against Leeds we created a lot less and scored 5 (1,64 xG). We just didn't convert the chances this time. It happens. If we deliver 2+ xG vs 1- xG performances every week this season we'll challenge for the title.
Let's leave it at that. On to the next one.
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Like I said, its not the result, it was the manner in which it happened.

He played Martial, who was only back from injury and pretty low on confidence (and if ever a player's effect on a game is defined by his confidence its Martial), as centre forward. This meant we had to move the extremely-effective-against-Leeds Greenwood out on to the right wing to accommodate him. he should have kept the in form greenwood playing as striker and either gone for James (reliable) or Sancho (risky but potentially game winning) on the right wing.

He played Matic in midfield and left him on the pitch for nearly the whole game even when it was clear that he was ineffective, couldn't really contribute to our attacks and Southampton were only really hitting us on the break. Either he or Fred should have been hooked at half time and replaced by someone more attack minded so we could continue to press. instead Fred was switched for a like for like McT and Matic made way for Lingard with minutes to spare.

So yes even that poor team might have beaten Southampton if luck had gone our way, the question is why did we need to rely on a bit more luck when we had better players at our disposal.
 
GBBQ said:
But its not the result that people have a problem with, its the manner in which it happened. Its the strange team selection, our knack of conceding from one of the few chances a defensive opponent springs on us and our general inability to break down a defensive team, all of which are ongoing themes under Ole. We see it less and less and hopefully with a fully fit team with Sancho and Varane fully integrated it'll become even rarer. This needs to be the season we push on.
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Last season this was our record against the bottom 12 teams in the league (including the 1-3 loss against CP in the first round with no preseason): 18 wins, 4 draws and 2 losses
City against the same: 20 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses.
Liverpool: 14 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses.
Chelsea: 15 wins, 6 draws, 3 losses.

So I don't get where you get this "struggle to break down teams that sit back" idea from. That dissapeared with the arrival of Bruno and creativity in our midfield. Did you see City against Spurs? We are among the absolute best in the business when it comes to breaking down teams that sit back, and we have been for a good while now.
 
troylocker said:
It was a match we dominated and should have won. We should have scored more than once, and we conceded on a freak deflection from a 0,07 xG-chance. How can you blame the manager or the players for a freakishly unlucky deflection like that? 0,07 xG-chances are the exact chances you want to force your opponent to take.
We were less efficient in front of goal than we should have been, just like we were more lethal than normal in our match against Leeds.

It's football. We were the better team and would normally win with a performance like that (0,59 vs 2,26 xG). That kind of domination is usually enough to win comfortably. Last night West Ham beat Leicester 4-1 (2,29 vs 0,63 xG). City won 5-0 against Norwich and created just as much as we did against Southampton (2,44 xG). In the first match against Leeds we created a lot less and scored 5 (1,64 xG). We just didn't convert the chances this time. It happens. If we deliver 2+ xG vs 1- xG performances every week this season we'll challenge for the title.
Let's leave it at that. On to the next one.
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You can post all the stats that you like, but we were extremely poor and it wasn't an acceptable performance. Our general play was so slow and lethargic, and we really struggled to get going.

It's not the end of the world and I still fancy us to have a good season, but it's best to blame the players and manager collectively and move on.

I fancy us to bounce back against Wolves, and 7 from 9 going into the international break is fine. I can totally understand peoples frustrations though, as Sunday's performance mirrored so many of our poor games under Ole. There's always an excuse about a deflection, missed chance, poor referee decision etc - but the fact of the matter is, these things happen. It still doesn't explain our general poor play, especially when a week beforehand we looked so quick and incisive against Leeds. This whole praising Ole for wins and pinning poor performances on the players, is very tiresome and agenda driven.
 
Robbie Boy said:
You can post all the stats that you like, but we were extremely poor and it wasn't an acceptable performance. Our general play was so slow and lethargic, and we really struggled to get going.

It's not the end of the world and I still fancy us to have a good season, but it's best to blame the players and manager collectively and move on.

I fancy us to bounce back against Wolves, and 7 from 9 going into the international break is fine. I can totally understand peoples frustrations though, as Sunday's performance mirrored so many of our poor games under Ole. There's always an excuse about a deflection, missed chance, poor referee decision etc - but the fact of the matter is, these things happen. It still doesn't explain our general poor play, especially when a week beforehand we looked so quick and incisive against Leeds. This whole praising Ole for wins and pinning poor performances on the players, is very tiresome and agenda driven.
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My point was that the performance wasn't as poor as many think. We lacked that killerinstinct and precision in the box that we had the week before. We actually created more and better chances than we did against Leeds, we just weren't as clinical this time. I'm not blaiming anyone, this is football and the best team doesn't always win. We were a lot better than Southampton on Sunday and we didn't win, but in the long run performances like that is good enough to decide most games in our favour (even though it was not us at our best)
It is also a different exorcise to play against a team that is trying to defend a result, than playing against a team that needs to score.....more than once.

I also mentioned it earlier, but we are currently on the longest unbeaten away run in PL history.

We have a big squad and a long season ahead of us, so I understand why Ole is trying to rotate and gel different setups already now.
 
troylocker said:
Last season this was our record against the bottom 12 teams in the league (including the 1-3 loss against CP in the first round with no preseason): 18 wins, 4 draws and 2 losses
City against the same: 20 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses.
Liverpool: 14 wins, 6 draws, 5 losses.
Chelsea: 15 wins, 6 draws, 3 losses.

So I don't get where you get this "struggle to break down teams that sit back" idea from. That dissapeared with the arrival of Bruno and creativity in our midfield. Did you see City against Spurs? We are among the absolute best in the business when it comes to breaking down teams that sit back, and we have been for a good while now.
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Chelsea and Liverpool had average seasons and that was one of our best since 2013. Thats all well and good showing those figures but one thing that is also important to note is that when it comes to big games, those 3 teams are perfectly suited to dominate games.

We are not ever dominating a game.

Even the lesser sides, when you watch Liverpool, City, Chelsea this season, they look like they have complete control of the game, get done on the occassion counter.
We on the other hand give away chance after chance and cannot control games why?

Because our midfield is poor and cannot pass a football.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
we have too many hysterical gits in our fan base these days
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True, but it's everywhere now. It does feel like the general attitudes of football fans has significantly changed over the past 5 years, which seems to have coincided with the rise of fan channels who generally present black and white view points. A loss or a draw is always a disaster and almost always sparks a discussion about whether the manager should be sacked or not. It's all about instant success - I really think some of these fan channels have influenced the way that many fans look at the game now.
 
troylocker said:
My point was that the performance wasn't as poor as many think. We lacked that killerinstinct and precision in the box that we had the week before. We actually created more and better chances than we did against Leeds, we just weren't as clinical this time. I'm not blaiming anyone, this is football and the best team doesn't always win. We were a lot better than Southampton on Sunday and we didn't win, but in the long run performances like that is good enough to decide most games in our favour (even though it was not us at our best)
It is also a different exorcise to play against a team that is trying to defend a result, than playing against a team that needs to score.....more than once.

I also mentioned it earlier, but we are currently on the longest unbeaten away run in PL history.

We have a big squad and a long season ahead of us, so I understand why Ole is trying to rotate and gel different setups already now.
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Fair enough, but we'll have to agree to disagree about the performance. Those stats make it sound far more promising than it was. I was fuming watching the game, as I felt we lacked any cohesion or penetration in the final third. For me, it was a bad performance. Conversely, it's not the end of the world and other top teams will drop plenty of points over the course of the season to lesser teams.

My overarching point was that most rational posters expressing reservations about Ole, are saying that these kinds of performances have been all too common during his tenure. I think that's a pretty valid criticism. Nevertheless, it's the second game of a long season so it's not the end of the world. Now we have to ensure we bounce back against Wolves and go into the international break in a good place.
 
romufc said:
Chelsea and Liverpool had average seasons and that was one of our best since 2013. Thats all well and good showing those figures but one thing that is also important to note is that when it comes to big games, those 3 teams are perfectly suited to dominate games.

We are not ever dominating a game.

Even the lesser sides, when you watch Liverpool, City, Chelsea this season, they look like they have complete control of the game, get done on the occassion counter.
We on the other hand give away chance after chance and cannot control games why?

Because our midfield is poor and cannot pass a football.
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So us having better results than Liverpool and Chelsea is because they had average seasons and us having our best since 2013? By chance or because our manager, coaching staff and players are doing something right?

I admit that Chelsea has looked convincing in the 2! first games, City looked clueless against Spurs dispite owning the ball and creating a lot of halfchances and the Norwich game was convincing, while Liverpool looked crap against Norwich and were good against Burnley. Norwich were the better team against Liverpool that first half hour. We don't stand out positive or negative compared to any of these teams so far, and we did dominate the game against a Southampton that sat back. Goals change games though, and the only difference is that we didn't win it.

I really don't get where you get this idea that we're not as good at dominating games against weaker opposition than Liverpool and Chelsea. We do play a little more direct than them, and that leads to marginally less possession and lower passing %, but it also means better scoring opportunities and more goals. I hate to see teams that doesn't take risks in transitions, and I love that we do that.
 
troylocker said:
So us having better results than Liverpool and Chelsea is because they had average seasons and us having our best since 2013? By chance or because our manager, coaching staff and players are doing something right?

I admit that Chelsea has looked convincing in the 2! first games, City looked clueless against Spurs dispite owning the ball and creating a lot of halfchances and the Norwich game was convincing, while Liverpool looked crap against Norwich and were good against Burnley. Norwich were the better team against Liverpool that first half hour. We don't stand out positive or negative compared to any of these teams so far, and we did dominate the game against a Southampton that sat back. Goals change games though, and the only difference is that we didn't win it.

I really don't get where you get this idea that we're not as good at dominating games against weaker opposition than Liverpool and Chelsea. We do play a little more direct than them, and that leads to marginally less possession and lower passing %, but it also means better scoring opportunities and more goals. I hate to see teams that doesn't take risks in transitions, and I love that we do that.
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The manager and coaching doing well, reasonably well but Chelsea won the CL last season.

I am saying we are very poor are dominating games, watch Chelsea, City, Liverpool and even when they cannot break a team down, the opponents hardly have a sniff in the game.

This is why Chelsea and Liverpool have started with 2 clean sheets and we have started with 0.

I hardly see the other 3 teams give possession away in their half whereas we do it regularly. These things have been costing us for years and even this season I see the same trend.
 
Robbie Boy said:
..........My overarching point was that most rational posters expressing reservations about Ole, are saying that these kinds of performances have been all too common during his tenure. I think that's a pretty valid criticism. Nevertheless, it's the second game of a long season so it's not the end of the world. Now we have to ensure we bounce back against Wolves and go into the international break in a good place.
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This is where I think people get into trouble with their logic. I would argue that "these kinds of performances have been all too common during his tenure" is a pointless statement, and a pointless way of approaching the issue. Because it presupposes an evenness over that period which doesn't exist. it's not like the team he inherited in 2018/19, or the ones he had in 19/20, or the one he had last season, were of largely similar composition and quality to the one he's got now, and could be expected to work in more or less the same way. Other than the things that are irrespective of the quality of the squad, such as man management or the quality of training, there is really not much point in talking about things being this way or that "during his tenure", and to say we've had these kinds of performances all too commonly during his tenure misses the point.

The issue is have they become fewer in step with the team generally improving, and how common are they going to be going forward this season?
 
justsomebloke said:
This is where I think people get into trouble with their logic. I would argue that "these kinds of performances have been all too common during his tenure" is a pointless statement, and a pointless way of approaching the issue. Because it presupposes an evenness over that period which doesn't exist. it's not like the team he inherited in 2018/19, or the ones he had in 19/20, or the one he had last season, were of largely similar composition and quality to the one he's got now, and could be expected to work in more or less the same way. Other than the things that are irrespective of the quality of the squad, such as man management or the quality of training, there is really not much point in talking about things being this way or that "during his tenure", and to say we've had these kinds of performances all too commonly during his tenure misses the point.

The issue is have they become fewer in step with the team generally improving, and how common are they going to be going forward this season?
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Well, I have no issues with people who express that sentiment.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Well, I have no issues with people who express that sentiment.
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Well, some are fond of the notion that you can and should have the same expectations and standards for United every year, regardless. It makes things simpler, I suppose.

But seriously. In 2019/20, a clear majority of our games pre-Bruno were "games like that" (as well as a few post-Bruno) - altogether 15-20 games. Last season, we had maybe 10-12 like that (and a good few of them were tied to special circumstances like the lack of pre-season, or the extreme fixture congestion from the Liverpool game being moved). And this year, it'll be really disappointing if we're not well below 10 such games.

So, if we play 3 or 4 games this season that are losses or disappointing draws to teams we should normally beat, sure you can say there's been a lot of such games in his tenure, but that's a) because for a considerable part of his tenure we weren't a great team, and b) who gives a feck, as long as we're now no longer having them much?
 
troylocker said:
How many away games unbeaten now? (answer: 27 straight PL away matches unbeaten, 17W, 10D, 0L). We finished 2nd last season and we are 2 games into a new season, still on the longest unbeaten away run in PL history. Please save your moaning for better occasions.
A subpar performance, yes, but let's see where we are in a couple of months before you start with this nonsense.

We must expect to drop some points along the way, especially away from home. A team like West Brom stole points against all the top teams last season, against us, Chelsea (x2, beat the mighty Tuchel 5-2 at the Bridge), City (1-1 at the Etihad) and Liverpool (1-1 at Anfield) last season.

This happens and will probably happen a couple of more times this season, but there is no need to blow it out of proportions. When it happens for the fifth time in a row, then you can start doing what you love the most: Being miserable!
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Got to remember that most of the games were in covid times when there were no fans in the ground. Due to that I don't really think this unbeaten away run is that impressive. I mean would we be unbeaten for that long if the stadiums were full in those games.
 
Schnappo said:
True, but it's everywhere now. It does feel like the general attitudes of football fans has significantly changed over the past 5 years, which seems to have coincided with the rise of fan channels who generally present black and white view points. A loss or a draw is always a disaster and almost always sparks a discussion about whether the manager should be sacked or not. It's all about instant success - I really think some of these fan channels have influenced the way that many fans look at the game now.
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the tv pundits are just as bad. There is rarely balance in the analysis. It's almost always extremes
 
Slysi17 said:
Got to remember that most of the games were in covid times when there were no fans in the ground. Due to that I don't really think this unbeaten away run is that impressive. I mean would we be unbeaten for that long if the stadiums were full in those games.
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Well, they've been empty for everyone else too, and yet no one else has managed it.
 
troylocker said:
How many away games unbeaten now? (answer: 27 straight PL away matches unbeaten, 17W, 10D, 0L). We finished 2nd last season and we are 2 games into a new season, still on the longest unbeaten away run in PL history. Please save your moaning for better occasions.
A subpar performance, yes, but let's see where we are in a couple of months before you start with this nonsense.

We must expect to drop some points along the way, especially away from home. A team like West Brom stole points against all the top teams last season, against us, Chelsea (x2, beat the mighty Tuchel 5-2 at the Bridge), City (1-1 at the Etihad) and Liverpool (1-1 at Anfield) last season.

This happens and will probably happen a couple of more times this season, but there is no need to blow it out of proportions. When it happens for the fifth time in a row, then you can start doing what you love the most: Being miserable!
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It will happen, the issue is that its happened so early. We can probably afford to drop no more than 10 points against mid and lower-table teams all season if we want to win the league (unless we're planning on a clean sweep in head to head games vs our top 4 rivals), so losing 2 already is a pain.
 
I think the bigger issue people have about drawing to Southampton is that we once again looked essentially worthless going forward except for a moment of brilliance and our midfield was exposed by a team lots of people think will fight against relegation. People see ole make the same mistakes every time. Subbing players on too late to make an impact, not improving our midfield, and still giving martial a shot for no reason
 
JG3001 said:
So the head to head is 1 win each…

Its hypocritical to moan at others for wanting Ole out after 3 years worth of games, and you’re basing your assessment of Nagelsmann on just 2 games.
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It wasn't an assessment of Nagelsmann. It was an assessment of using two games against Nagelsmann which we won on aggregate to criticise Ole. I can understand if you haven't seen the string of posts I was responding to, since you've just quoted a post of mine from February. But read them back and you'll see what my point was.
 
Slysi17 said:
Got to remember that most of the games were in covid times when there were no fans in the ground. Due to that I don't really think this unbeaten away run is that impressive. I mean would we be unbeaten for that long if the stadiums were full in those games.
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Agreed.Unbeaten record my arse as far as I'm concerned.We lost two away CL games and in the FA Cup to Leicester. A statistical anomaly is all we have.Stay unbeaten away this season and I promise to be suitably grateful.
 
Brightonian said:
It wasn't an assessment of Nagelsmann. It was an assessment of using two games against Nagelsmann which we won on aggregate to criticise Ole. I can understand if you haven't seen the string of posts I was responding to, since you've just quoted a post of mine from February. But read them back and you'll see what my point was.
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Didn’t realise your post was that far back!!! Must have been playing catch up on the pages when I was going through the thread. Apologies.

Anyway, even as a massive critic myself, I agree the oleout trend is somewhat silly at this point, but I don’t think these people are flip-flopping from one result to next. It’s based on trends in these kinds of performances and the results which follow, over his entire time here.
 
Brightonian said:
It wasn't an assessment of Nagelsmann. It was an assessment of using two games against Nagelsmann which we won on aggregate to criticise Ole. I can understand if you haven't seen the string of posts I was responding to, since you've just quoted a post of mine from February. But read them back and you'll see what my point was.
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Wait what
 
Anything but a win v Wolves, it will be trending again.

I've been Ole out since he got the job permanently, I still am but I still want us to win games every week and hopefully trophies.

This is a massive season for him but top 4 and he'll keep his job, think that is all the club aspires to these days so the #OleOut means nothing really.
 
Brightonian said:
It wasn't an assessment of Nagelsmann. It was an assessment of using two games against Nagelsmann which we won on aggregate to criticise Ole. I can understand if you haven't seen the string of posts I was responding to, since you've just quoted a post of mine from February. But read them back and you'll see what my point was.
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This kind of stuff would get you in the RAWK Hall of Fame.
 
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