Only our club compares Ole to Fergie hahaha. It's like comparing coal to a diamond. Sure it's made of the same stuff but one is worth more than it's weight in gold.
Why so many knee-jerk reactions and negativity 7 games in?
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It's so boring to keep reading that we have a better squad (on paper), when our team is no better. Seems a lot of people don't grasp the concept of a team and simply judge the progress of Ole's reign thus far based on the collective ratings of each player based on FIFA.
If anything it's actually more of a damning reflection on Ole's tenure to say we have a great squad, when he's failing to translate all of that quality in to performances that come anywhere near to the standard we should expect. If we're judging purely based on quality of the squad on paper then fair play to Jose for winning trophies and amassing our largest points tally post-Ferguson.
Leicester. The Utd fans left early. Ole had to run over to clap the half a dozen that hadnt got out by then.
I’d like to make a correlation between Manchester United with Champions League football and any middling to lower Premier League team and Premier League football. For this example I’ll say Crystal Palace.
Manchester United‘s minimum requirements most seasons are Champions League qualification
Crystal Palace’s minimum requirements most seasons are staying in the Premier League.
For both teams, not achieving these minimum requirements has negative consequences financially and the season would be deemed a failure.
If Palace are in danger even early on, they’ll be looking for a new manager and the majority of football fans will understand that as it is the nature of the beast essentially.
So why is when United are in danger early on of not reaching their minimum requirements, then people say we should keep faith and hope for the best? Can you imagine Palace being in the bottom 3 and hearing their fans say “We should keep the manager. He’ll turn it around”? Feck no, they’ll be saying “New manager ASAP before the season is a bust” and everyone would agree with that.
Manchester United‘s minimum requirements most seasons are Champions League qualification
Crystal Palace’s minimum requirements most seasons are staying in the Premier League.
For both teams, not achieving these minimum requirements has negative consequences financially and the season would be deemed a failure.
If Palace are in danger even early on, they’ll be looking for a new manager and the majority of football fans will understand that as it is the nature of the beast essentially.
So why is when United are in danger early on of not reaching their minimum requirements, then people say we should keep faith and hope for the best? Can you imagine Palace being in the bottom 3 and hearing their fans say “We should keep the manager. He’ll turn it around”? Feck no, they’ll be saying “New manager ASAP before the season is a bust” and everyone would agree with that.
Fixed. That ought to upset a few
They wouldnt be plastics though if they went to an away matchFixed. That ought to upset a few
I really dislike the idea of giving somebody time until date X or Y. No, see how it develops as we go and take it from there.
If we were to loose the next five games before the start of December, I sure as hell wouldn't want to wait until January.
If we were to loose the next five games before the start of December, I sure as hell wouldn't want to wait until January.
This is obvious to anyone with eyes. I wouldnt bother with this plant. He needs watering.
They really were. They were defending champions of La Liga (top league in the world back then) and had reached UCL semis the previous two seasons, as they did that season (though finished second in La Liga). They won UCL the following season.
They were right there with Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund and us as the best teams in the world.
They are if they leave before the end!
Don’t worry, I’m half tongue in cheek.
This an extremely, extremely strange take.
Ferguson won the CL and reached two other finals in his last 6 seasons as a manager. In the other 3, he went out in the groups once - sure, that was a poor campaign - and was knocked out by Bayern, and Madrid (The 2012 Spanish champions and 2014 European Champions, since I see you're also trying to argue they weren't a top team in 2013).
In that time, he also won 4 out of 6 league titles. In the other 2 seasons, he finished second by a point and goal difference.
I wouldn't mind having that kind of struggle back.
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Nah because its a results business not "collect nice players" business. I can come 4th then buy lots of better shiny players and actually perform worse. How is that progress? I tend to look at progress as a clubs results as well as "standing in football". IMO we are no better off. Still just hoping to make top 4. Progress is Liverpool going from CL contender to a 90+ point team who basically gonna win the league again this year.
When the squad has been dismantled and filled with warm bodies you have to collect nice players before you can win. Olé has his squad, now he has to win. He deserves a shot at it.
You are not really saying much. He hasn't really dismanted anything. Some of his most trusted soldiers are players that were already there when he came. . Also how did Jose win silverware in his 1st season and Tuchel? Also what is a shot? another 2-3 seasons? 3.5 seasons of building then 2-3 seasons of giving it a good go. Sir Alex reincarnate.
9 games in, still counting....
We are now a nostalgia performance peice, wished into existence after the trauma of Moyes & Mourinho
This thread jinxed us
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Still defending this absolute clown?
Still defending this absolute clown?
If it was only 7 games in we had issues looks we will be hitting double figures
Those who understand simple football tactics by looking at the type of football (not blindly watching the score) know we were in disaster mode.
We have that way. I would argue that we are far too patient with our managers and our standards have dropped significantly. We finished in the top 3 for 20 plus years, all of a sudden a decent season is top 4.
Truth is, it made sense to drop those standards when Ole came in because we had to rebuild our squad and culture. However, we aren't rebuilding anymore. This team is good enough to win and compete for titles. Midfield or no midfield, this is a team most teams would beg to have. We are on the brink of dropping out of our two main competitions for another season; this should never happen with a squad this good. We have high wages, we spend big money, we need to start expecting big results. This isn't last season's United. This one has far more expectation.
If we do end up losing tonight it’s 5 loses in 8 games with just 2 wins. Them 2 wins is a 96th min goal against Villarreal and a 95th penalty save against West Ham
If it’s “knee-jerk reactions” every single week, is it really knee-jerk? We are shite, anyone still supporting Ole clearly has some inner hate for United they probably don’t even realise.
"knee jerk"
So many knee jerk reactions around here alright.
Unfortunately the knee jerkers have turned out to be right.
Ole's at the wheel!!
Only one more game
OP. The next time you make a thread, think about it a bit. Have a cup o tea and think again, a bit. FFS
How fecking stupid does this thread look now? Although I could’ve told you that the minute it was created.
Are we allowed to react now? Do the top reds allow it?
1st responseHe should have checked the definition of knee-jerk in the dictionary before starting a thread about it
You underestimate the feelings of those fans who have watched the team closely these last 3 years. That's why your thread got a lot of sticks.
Could’ve guessed this may have bit me in the ass….ahwell, you stand up and admit when you were wrong when you were wrong
It's okay to to have different opinions. The issue is your opening post has a holier-than-thou attitude, looking down on the others for "daring to be worried". If it's only a thread with a positive outlook, people wouldn't have reacted that strongly.
Stop being negative guys. Look at the positives. We only conceeded 1 in the second half while down to 10. Progress.
Promote this guy.
tbf, credit to both you and @charlenefan for actually posting your regrets immediately when you realised it and not hiding behind delusion or spinning it.
Unfortunately that’s more than I can say for our manager…. He still seems as deluded as ever.
This thread aged well.