Why didn't we give it Carrick until the end of the season?
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If we continued playing the way we did in those games, we would not be a successful team. Not a chance. We played like a team aiming to avert disaster. Which is exactly where we were at that point. But that's not a way forward.
This place full of Goldbridge wannabes would have gone into total meltdown if we’d given it to Carrick. They’re already blaming Fletcher for everything because he dares stand next to Ralf and whisper Donny is shit into his ear.
Because he's not a proven manager and the only record we have of him is being there for all the dreariness both under Mourinho and Solskjaer.
There needed to be a change.
It was right to hire an interim manager from outside, in the absence of satisfying long term candidates available.
That this interim manager is not having much of a positive impact so far is frustrating, but it is what it is.
Maybe he still will -it certainly has not been a lot of time so far-, maybe he will fail at improving the team in his limited time; but in any case a new manager will come in for the next season, so you guys will just have to have some more patience.
It makes no sense to second-guess everything constantly.
There needed to be a change.
It was right to hire an interim manager from outside, in the absence of satisfying long term candidates available.
That this interim manager is not having much of a positive impact so far is frustrating, but it is what it is.
Maybe he still will -it certainly has not been a lot of time so far-, maybe he will fail at improving the team in his limited time; but in any case a new manager will come in for the next season, so you guys will just have to have some more patience.
It makes no sense to second-guess everything constantly.
Carrick done the right thing imo , leaving was best for him and he had seen the way the club was going to go , there was no way a football man like him was going to stay a number 2. Looking back helps no-one, forward even if it's not great at the moment. They've given Ralph the job all we can do is suck it and see. Everyone was calling for Ole to get the sack and they obliged . Now the same players that threw Jose under the bus and Ole are maybe doing it again.
The club is a haven for fecking want to be or has beens, and none of them are showing anything. Ralph has a massive job. And oh how he loves to let everyone now what the players didn't do. He be better off finding out what they can do first.
The club is a haven for fecking want to be or has beens, and none of them are showing anything. Ralph has a massive job. And oh how he loves to let everyone now what the players didn't do. He be better off finding out what they can do first.
To be fair, that might have been revisionism on my part. The Spurs game was our best, funnily enough playing 3-5-2/5-3-2. With each passing day, ignoring Conte in the hope that Ole could perform a miracle and turn it around becomes ever more absurd.
He's literally won the league with the prima donnas of Chelsea and is getting a tune out of Spurs, whom I would be astounded if we finish above.
Yeah our board are looking like absolute clowns for deciding Conte is Mourinho MK2
Many on here did the same. It was clear that he was the only option if we wanted a quick turnaround and it would have suited us pefectly imo, with us only having Ronaldo for a couple of years. Now we seem to be going down the "rebuilding project" line of thinking.
I think the club quite likes this as it tampers expectations for a couple of years minimum until we can legitimately 'expect' to challenge.
The knee jerk reaction against Rangnick by some here is beyond bizarre.
It’s not over
Won’t be surprised if he is back before the end of the season.
Perhaps Carrick leaving was something to do with the 'what goes around comes around' saying.
I recall during LvG's and Jose's reign that some comments appeared in the media that were supposedly attributed to Michael concerning the treatment of players and in one media story he was reported as being instrumental in forming one of the many players 'cliques' that were apparently operating then and which ultimately activated the 'throwing under the bus' situations.
Obviously as part of Ole's backup management team, he felt he had to share the blame and 'walk'... or maybe it was before he was pushed?
Michael was great servant to the club and perhaps, because he could see what was coming, then for his own sanity he had to get out.
Thanks for the memories Michael.
I recall during LvG's and Jose's reign that some comments appeared in the media that were supposedly attributed to Michael concerning the treatment of players and in one media story he was reported as being instrumental in forming one of the many players 'cliques' that were apparently operating then and which ultimately activated the 'throwing under the bus' situations.
Obviously as part of Ole's backup management team, he felt he had to share the blame and 'walk'... or maybe it was before he was pushed?
Michael was great servant to the club and perhaps, because he could see what was coming, then for his own sanity he had to get out.
Thanks for the memories Michael.
Which is faster, your warmup lap or your flying lap?
The six months he gets in a hands on coaching role better prepares us to make an immediate impact when he takes on the consulting role (or indeed extends his managerial position.)
The six months he gets in a hands on coaching role better prepares us to make an immediate impact when he takes on the consulting role (or indeed extends his managerial position.)
...oh you'll fit in here well
Does it really matter what we didn’t do? He probably didn’t want the job long term, so the club explored and got someone else. Someone else far better qualified to take us forward. Feck sake show a bit of fait’s, over wanting a failed coach to contInue on in the role.
Because it’s the same short term thinking and ‘easy’ approach that got us into the mess we’re in. Let Carrick go and manage somewhere and do well, then come back with experience, I’d love nothing more, but we need to ditch the sentimentality.
Simply because he was too close to the players and would not be able to make the big changes in culture that are so necessary.
There's no shame in being number 2 or below. The majority of former players with coaching badges are not managers, rather part of coaching staff
It's so toxic now with fan favourite RR, imagine Carrick in charge for the rest of the season, this place would combust!
Probably didn't want to anyway, it's likely he'd already decided he'd leave at the end of the season, ole going just made it sooner.
Most players quit then have some time out then maybe come back in a coaching role of some sort, Carrick stopped playing then went straight into the staff.
Maybe he just wants to live his life a bit.
Most players quit then have some time out then maybe come back in a coaching role of some sort, Carrick stopped playing then went straight into the staff.
Maybe he just wants to live his life a bit.
All these reasons why Carrick shouldn't have been given the job and no one mentioning that he didn't fecking want it and wanted to be with his family for a few months instead.
Doesn’t anyone remember a month ago where everyone here was bricking it that carrick would get the job? 
It’s a strange thread to be fair ...waiting on the Ole one ...
Absolutely, the inability to make hard decisions post-Sir Alex has been an on-going saga although I think appointing Ole was not the bad move many are now saying. Ole stayed too long, that was the problem and he also showed himself to be unable to do the necessary but very difficult strategy of 'Who dares wins' at key times in games such as that European one.
As a strategist he fell short. We also need a manager who will finally do something about those players coasting along and whingeing about having to try something different. This is an issue of contemporary football and Rolf R needs complete backing by the United Board to make those unsentimental decisions.
It wasn't right to hire a 2nd interim. Just get the best guy available as quickly as you can. If they're only interested in the summer then they'll just have to take the chance that the manager you hire in the meantime is successful and they'll miss the boat. Tough titties.
This.
The seasons is a write off. A shame as we’ve wasted Ronaldo but oh well. It’s clear there’s poison in the camp. They’ve been on holiday for 10 years it seems and now a new manager wants to up the training they’re kicking off. There’s a huge attitude problem.
We need to clear out the bad attitude. I’d make an example of the ring leader and get rid in January. Hopefully the rest will then behave. But there’s deep lying issues in the camp. I know what it is though. It’s from above. The clubs motives have been commercial so we’ve treated the players like celebrities and divas rather than work horses. We’ve pushed them onto noodle campaigns rather than doing laps around the ground.
Rangnick is the right appointment if he is to stay upstairs and change the motives of the club. Hopefully we persist.
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Settling on whoever is available rather than waiting for a suitable manager is how we ended up with Moyes. No thanks. The club has actually made a sensible decision for once. If fans want to behave like impatient children that's their problem. Maybe try looking at the bigger picture instead.
This is exactly what we’ve done. We’re clearly interested in Poch and ETH but neither is going to move right now. Ole’s role had become untenable, do you not remember Pool at OT, Watford etc. so interim was inevitable because who else is there? Managers I rate who are promising like Potter for example would get chewed out of this dressing room or just start to appease the big names, most of the proven guys are in good jobs or won’t leave before the WC.
Moyes had a 6 year contract FFS. 18 months with option to extend, sack them in the summer if you have a better option lined up. Loyalty to a random manager is not something we can afford any more, but we can afford to pay someone well and give them the opportunity to enhance their reputation no end.
Just as an example of someone who definitely was available mid-season - Conte. I appreciate that's unusual to have a top manager unemployed like that, but you're not telling me even when we missed the boat on that, there's nobody (potentially) better than Rangnick who would have taken the chance? Galtier, Jardim, Ranieri, even Pioli (who AC backed over Rangnick)? Obviously those are just some random names I've thrown out, maybe they wouldn't be interested or maybe Jardim is dogshit these days, but I simply don't believe Rangnick was the best available manager for this season.
No it's not, after Ole went, he wasn't going to stay a number 2 under a new manager at OT. Just like Giggs with LVG, wasn't Jose number 2. Carrick will go to a club and I'd bet he's number 1
I'll give you a very simple explanation.
Go back a month ago, couple of weeks before Ole was let go. Read some of the posts on here, what the fans and the press had to say about the coaching. They wanted every single one of those coaches to go away.
Most people on Redcafe were also saying the same thing. That they wanted all of the United 'boys' to leave.
It's always fun to play these games on hindsight, but they are pointless. When Rangnick was appointed, everyone seemed happy. The club made a decision, and now need to stand by it.
Go back a month ago, couple of weeks before Ole was let go. Read some of the posts on here, what the fans and the press had to say about the coaching. They wanted every single one of those coaches to go away.
Most people on Redcafe were also saying the same thing. That they wanted all of the United 'boys' to leave.
It's always fun to play these games on hindsight, but they are pointless. When Rangnick was appointed, everyone seemed happy. The club made a decision, and now need to stand by it.
Carrick only has three years of coaching experience. How quickly do you think the average coach ascends to number one (for the few that do)? It's not as soon as you think.
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He should have stayed till the end of the season
Agreed, like wtf guys been there a month inherited an unmotivated lazy cry babies of a squad who have had it easy and we’ve conceded less goals it’s going to take time.
It would have been a ridiculous decision and would just have been a repeat of the past mistakes.
There's no guarantee we wouldn't be in the same boat now in terms of form anyway. We played ok under Carrick and got decent results but it didn't exactly inspire confidence that he was the man to take us to the end of the season.
There's no guarantee we wouldn't be in the same boat now in terms of form anyway. We played ok under Carrick and got decent results but it didn't exactly inspire confidence that he was the man to take us to the end of the season.
Because Carrick is dangerously unqualified, the culture of jobs for the boys has ruined the mentality of this squad, has to stop. His coaching has played a part in the place we are now in, poor discipline and rewards for bad performances. 3 good results in December doesn't hide the mutiny we are trying to clear up. Carrick was a deadly player, maybe he'll go on to show he's a good coach. He's played good part in the position we are in. The last few years of dire football, poor performances and underachieving is on him as well as Ole, Jose and Woodward to name a few.
Ralph hasn't got a magic wand to fix this mess of unbalance, leaks and toxic culture in the changing room. Sooner people see the interim manager is trying to clear the mess off previous regimes the better. To install discipline and bring back the basics of what it is to be a team. To show there is consequences to not working hard or ratting to the press. Carrick to the end of the season, really.
Ralph hasn't got a magic wand to fix this mess of unbalance, leaks and toxic culture in the changing room. Sooner people see the interim manager is trying to clear the mess off previous regimes the better. To install discipline and bring back the basics of what it is to be a team. To show there is consequences to not working hard or ratting to the press. Carrick to the end of the season, really.
There seems to be a huge assumption made on here that Rangnick is becoming some sort of Director of Football at United or will have any real power come July. The official line on it is he will be given an advisory role and that's it, what form this role will take is anyone's guess. It could be a day to day hands on position with huge influence on shaping the club from top to bottom or he could be a guy we phone up once a month to run ideas past. Who knows really, with the way United have been run post SAF I don't think we can assume anything.
Jeez , man Steve Cooper had hardly none under 23 experience only Went to Swansea, now Forrest and many many more .
This.
I can't believe this topic even exists and we are seriously wondering why Carrick was a horrible choice for a caretaker, but I swear some fans on this forum will suggest anything.
Sample size is too small and Carrick was key part of coaching team which has failed over past couple of years. Plus the fact that we want start something completely new to move away from our shite old approach, and go for something more experience/proven.