The owners. Probably better intentioned than we give them credit for. Definitely less competent. Should have sold up for £2bn or whatever it was, instead of pretending they understood and gambling further.
Who is to blame? - Super thread
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I think in general the lack of accountability has been the problem with the club, from the people who hire managers, to the people who hire coaches, to the scouts who have been shocking since almost a decade now, to the people who negotiate prices for player purchase and even their contracts, it has been a huge mess since a long time now. The only accountability that happens is the manager every 2-3 years where we sack one and hire another without any long term vision of how the team is supposed to move forward.
Who's responsibility is that we have two 36 yr old strikers at the club and the 3rd one is on 250k/week and does not want to play?
Who's accountable for spending 80m ona CB who became the captain of the club and has lower table strikers making him look like a Sunday league player.
Who takes responsibility for the fact that our RB was scouted from 50 other RBs and the one we ended up paying 50m for anyway had a breakthrough season with Palace in the PL itself and now it turns out he's incapable of completing a 10 yard pass.
Who is to be blamed that our 47m midfielder has no skill on the ball and is good for running around and breaking play.
Who takes responsibility for the fact that our last CM cannot get a game even when literally no other midfielder has performed well enough to claim a starting spot?
Our 85m wing forward is yet to score a league goal for us.
Two of our most promising lads from the academy have completely gone off the boil now.
Who's accountable for spending 80m ona CB who became the captain of the club and has lower table strikers making him look like a Sunday league player.
Who takes responsibility for the fact that our RB was scouted from 50 other RBs and the one we ended up paying 50m for anyway had a breakthrough season with Palace in the PL itself and now it turns out he's incapable of completing a 10 yard pass.
Who is to be blamed that our 47m midfielder has no skill on the ball and is good for running around and breaking play.
Who takes responsibility for the fact that our last CM cannot get a game even when literally no other midfielder has performed well enough to claim a starting spot?
Our 85m wing forward is yet to score a league goal for us.
Two of our most promising lads from the academy have completely gone off the boil now.
Just look at the players who cross the white line. There's only half of them who got it the rest are stealing a living off the clubs name.
Ed Woodward, for me. The buck stops with him as the CEO. We are the worst-run club in the PL in my opinion, and that clearly can't reflect anything but poorly on the person who ultimately sits atop the corporate structure.
True on all points especially about Ronaldo v De Gea as Captain. Love De Gea but he just doesn't have it for this kind of situation.
Points 5, 4, 2 & 1 are all the same person. And the true architect of our downfall, Ed Woodward. There’s been no vision or continuity of thought there at all all, we’ve just flip flopped from one quick fix to another and never stuck at any of them long enough to allow it to work. Managers fired at the first signs of problems, new manager comes in with a completely different approach and all of a sudden half of our side are dead wood again. It’s not just the changing of managers thats the issue. It’s the complete change in philosophy each time we change manager. I’ve no doubt at all we’ll give the gegen pressing a go for 18-24 months before we decide actually that’s a load of crap and go for a pep light approach with possession based football, rendering half the squad redundant and unsuitable again. 18-24 months later we’ll decide that’s a bust too and go back to our “United way” again.
Pick an ethos, stick with it and if it doesn’t work, find another manager with a similar philosophy who can make it work with the squad we have built.
Unlike many on here I don’t think there was a lot wrong with what Ole was trying to do, he just wasn’t a good enough manager to pull it off. A new manager with a similar philosophy could probably have come in and made a few tweaks, weeded out a few undesirables and we’d have been good to go.
It has always been our midfield. We haven't had a good defensive midfielder since Michael Carrick. It is freaking crazy that a club as big as United haven't recognized that we have a problem in midfield for so many seasons. If you asked any United fan, he/she will definitely agree that we haven't recruited a good midfielder (excluding PP and BF because they are attacking players rather than those with defensive qualities). This is one problem that has haunted us for a long long time and this is probably the reason we haven't improved and the forward players are getting frustrated because they aren't getting any supply. Bruno gets on the ball and tries something every time because we just cannot hold onto the ball otherwise. Fred, Mctominay should not start for United. They should either come off the bench or play against lower teams or in case we have an injury. Just get someone like Neves, Calvin Philips, Rice or Tchouameni and you will see the difference, they will potentially unlock the front 4 and the goals will rain and everything will fall in place. Also if Ralf Rangnick thinks 4-2-2-2 will work with this United squad, he's mistaken and will suffer the consequences.
Amen, I couldn’t have put it better myself. It makes my blood boil when people try to fabricate some sort of blame onto the greatest manager of all time who gave us nothing but success
Has LvG ever taken responsibility for anything that happened at United?
He's just a huge ego. Although I find him entertaining I can't buy into anything he's says because he blames everyone but himself.
He wanted Di Maria, was on record as saying so. He got him. Blind and Depay were surely his choices as well. The rest I suppose none of us know exactly how it works. But I don't buy this 7th choice stuff. Plus his sales were rubbish, that's definitely on him.
He was just a shocking appointment. Yeah the overall structure at the club is ultimately responsible but a top manager can overcome that and still perform. He set us back years
I agree but if we want to be at the top table again, that ethos has to reflect that of the top teams in the world. There is not a single team that competes for trophies on a consistent basis that doesn't play a reasonably similar style of football. They dominate possession, stifle the opposition and aim to recover the ball as quickly as possible when they lose it. They are highly technical and highly coached and every player knows their job on the pitch and that of the players around them. You can't just pick a style of football and expect that to compete with more complete styles that the likes of Liverpool, City and Bayern are playing.
This is the problem. Ole wasn't building anything that could compete at the top levels of the game. It was very hard to know what he was even trying to do most of the time but the only times we ever looked remotely effective was when we played on the counter attack. There are very very few top sides that play that style of football to any real end and they are always second tier sides trying to compete with far better funded sides.
Its the reason Ole shouldn't have been given the time he was. Even if he was far better at what he did (which he clearly wasn't), the style of football he tried to play was not something that would have us winning leagues or european cups.
It comes from the top, so that's the board and the owner(s). Glazer hires these people and has kept them on that run the club poorly by hiring the wrong managers, not pursuing the better ones, rewarding average players with big contracts, keeping surplus players on. The whole family casual nature of the club has gone too far, there's a lack of seriousness and competence from the people that the Glazers have trusted and this sets the tone for the whole club.
You only have to go through the managers they've hired since Fergie. the people who run the club seem to have a knack of nearly everything they touch football related turns to shit. Said it before but it's like a day stock trader that loses 90% of their trades. We've had a billion wasted by fools that shouldn't be there. Even the law of averages should've had better results but they're so good at failing at this football thing.
You only have to go through the managers they've hired since Fergie. the people who run the club seem to have a knack of nearly everything they touch football related turns to shit. Said it before but it's like a day stock trader that loses 90% of their trades. We've had a billion wasted by fools that shouldn't be there. Even the law of averages should've had better results but they're so good at failing at this football thing.
The buck stops with the Glazers, Woodward and players
Well said, we've been dire to watch, we haven't be able to hold the ball when pressed for years. We need players with technical ability on the ball, who can actually punish a defender closing him down by going around him. We're so far away is scary.
Yeah your right about Di Maria and ok I will give you Depay and Blind haha. Although to be fair to him Depay has come good in the end but probably needed to leave to grow up and fulfil his potential.
Yeah I agree on the bad appointment. It hurts me to say Van Gaal was a bad manager though just because I think he’s a great character like you do. It would of been great if we had young Van Gaal but of course we had the best coach in the world when he was in his prime!
We will have to agree to disagree as to transfers being largely his fault
. Not that it matters, wether it’s his fault or the boards, it’s not a good thing and results in the same outcome of us being screwed haha.