Where are the United incomings?

AngeloHenriquez said:
Half of that €41m is based on variables, the fixed fee was around €19m
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I haven’t read they are variables, just read they are add ons? I read that the transfer fee was designed like that to be spread out. I’m still going to call it a 40m transfer as we don’t know if they are variables and if they are then they could be easily achievable.

Why are we spending 40m each on Donny and Amad? Surely for that kind of money you want a player who can make an immediate impact or atleast be a valuable squad player. Assuming they are from the scouting dept as Ole clearly didn’t want them. We should replace our scouts asap.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
I haven’t read they are variables, just read they are add ons? I read that the transfer fee was designed like that to be spread out. I’m still going to call it a 40m transfer as we don’t know if they are variables and if they are then they could be easily achievable.

Why are we spending 40m each on Donny and Amad? Surely for that kind of money you want a player who can make an immediate impact or atleast be a valuable squad player. Assuming they are from the scouting dept as Ole clearly didn’t want them. We should replace our scouts asap.
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Romano confirmed it, first source I found was below but if you are better at twitter than me simply go back and search it. However, i dont disagree on the comment about our scouts, id further that to our negotiations teams

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ca...in-pleasing-findings-for-red-devils-fans/amp/
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Agree. They did fluke Ralf as well because they had no intention of sacking Ole, it’s just fan and media pressure became untenable. They allowed the season to go up in smoke they were so reluctant to do it.

It seems we are copying the exact same mistake we made with Mourinho. We didn’t back him with transfers. It’s totally wrong that Ralf can’t even buy a budget midfielder, especially when we are struggling for top 4 and it could make a big difference.

Talk today that Pogba is in line for a new contract. Another contract extension to avoid buying a new player. If that happens then it confirms nothing has changed with the Glazers in full control, the DOF and Ralf having power is BS.
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Keeping the likes of Pogba isn’t about saving money. He would be earning £400k a week and if he signed a 4 year contract we can be dam sure he won’t move during that time, because no other club would be daft enough to pay him that much. The only thing the Glazers care about is the brand. Pogba has huge appeal on social media and is the face of Adidas for a lot of their advertising. Unfortunately we live in an era where football players are worth more for their off the field activities over their actual talent on the pitch. The Glazers see Pogba as a revenue earner for advertising. Same as Ronaldo. That is why this club will never be successful again with the Glazers owning the club.
 
Josep Dowling said:
Keeping the likes of Pogba isn’t about saving money. He would be earning £400k a week and if he signed a 4 year contract we can be dam sure he won’t move during that time, because no other club would be daft enough to pay him that much. The only thing the Glazers care about is the brand. Pogba has huge appeal on social media and is the face of Adidas for a lot of their advertising. Unfortunately we live in an era where football players are worth more for their off the field activities over their actual talent on the pitch. The Glazers see Pogba as a revenue earner for advertising. Same as Ronaldo. That is why this club will never be successful again with the Glazers owning the club.
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I don’t disagree with everything you said mate but there are definitely savings from not buying a new player of Pogba’s calibre. Don’t forget he was a 80m player and there would have been an agent fee involved too.

I totally agree that social media and popularity make up a huge part of the reason we keep players too long. However, saving transfer costs is definitely also part of the strategy as well (see Jones, Matic, Lingard etc). There is no social media or footballing reason to keep these players. They just represent assets on the books and bodies in the squad.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
I haven’t read they are variables, just read they are add ons? I read that the transfer fee was designed like that to be spread out. I’m still going to call it a 40m transfer as we don’t know if they are variables and if they are then they could be easily achievable.

Why are we spending 40m each on Donny and Amad? Surely for that kind of money you want a player who can make an immediate impact or atleast be a valuable squad player. Assuming they are from the scouting dept as Ole clearly didn’t want them. We should replace our scouts asap.
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He's at the club a year and he's featured in less than 10 games. The chances he's triggered add ons are slim. Claiming it's a 40m transfer so it sounds worse and then demanding our scouts are replaced is a little ridiculous.
 
Would have liked to see us be a bit more proactive in the market, particularly in regards to shipping out players, but there hasn't been much activity I'm overly envious of.

None of our rivals for top 4 have strengthened yet and holding off could prove to be a good decision.

The only transfer I'm intrigued by is Bruno to Newcastle, but even then I think it's very hard for a midfielder to step up midseason from the French league to the EPL and be an immediate success.
 
Withnail said:
He's at the club a year and he's featured in less than 10 games. The chances he's triggered add ons are slim. Claiming it's a 40m transfer so it sounds worse and then demanding our scouts are replaced is a little ridiculous.
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Your wrong about the finances mate, I am just being realistic and explaining how it happens in real life. There is no way the finance dept have not budgeted to pay the remainder of the transfer fee. You honestly believe Man Utd have planned not to pay the add ons? You have to talk worst case scenario when your talking finances .

If you have committed to a potential spend of an extra 20m, you need to have that money ready to pay if needed or legal action will follow. Regardless if we don’t end up paying it, it stops us spending that money in the short term.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Your wrong about the finances mate, I am just being realistic and explaining how it happens in real life. There is no way the finance dept have not budgeted to pay the remainder of the transfer fee. You honestly believe Man Utd have planned not to pay the add ons? You have to talk worst case scenario when your talking finances .

If you have committed to a potential spend of an extra 20m, you need to have that money ready to pay if needed or legal action will follow. Regardless if we don’t end up paying it, it stops us spending that money in the short term.
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You're not being realistic at all. You seem to be taking the worst case financial scenario as it may eventually be and importing into the present day as reality. The way these things are structured there's no danger of suddenly getting a bill of 20m you need to pay immediately. These things will be flagged ahead of time and will have reasonable time frames to be paid.

Even if it was 40m, which it isn't, you then blamed the scouts and reckon they should be replaced. This is more muddled thinking as the scouts identify talent. They aren't to blame for the price the club ends up paying or the terms of the contract the club agrees to.
 
Withnail said:
You're not being realistic at all. You seem to be taking the worst case financial scenario as it may eventually be and importing into the present day as reality. The way these things are structured there's no danger of suddenly getting a bill of 20m you need to pay immediately. These things will be flagged ahead of time and will have reasonable time frames to be paid.

Even if it was 40m, which it isn't, you then blamed the scouts and reckon they should be replaced. This is more muddled thinking as the scouts identify talent. They aren't to blame for the price the club ends up paying or the terms of the contract the club agrees to.
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You have just admitted I am correct. Atlanta will expect the the full 40m to be paid if the conditions are met otherwise they would not have agreed to the sale. It’s actually crazy to suggest otherwise as you are arguing against the truth.

You are making total hypothetical guesses that Amad will not meet the conditions. No matter what you say, the fact is that it is a 40m transfer until proven otherwise as that is the contract both parties signed and agreed to.

Regarding the scouts, they are certainly to blame for Donny and Amad as both have so far displayed that they are not capable to even be squad players. Why would the scouts recommend players not good enough for Man Utd level regardless of price?
 
ManchesterManchester said:
You have just admitted I am correct. Atlanta will expect the the full 40m to be paid if the conditions are met otherwise they would not have agreed to the sale. It’s actually crazy to suggest otherwise as you are arguing against the truth.

You are making total hypothetical guesses that Amad will not meet the conditions. No matter what you say, the fact is that it is a 40m transfer until proven otherwise as that is the contract both parties signed and agreed to.

Regarding the scouts, they are certainly to blame for Donny and Amad as both have so far displayed that they are not capable to even be squad players. Why would the scouts recommend players not good enough for Man Utd level regardless of price?
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I've admitting nothing of the sort :lol:
I'm not making hypothetical guesses about the future. I'm saying it's unlikely he's met any add on conditions to date and on the balance of probabilities I think that's fair.

Amad is a young player who is still developing. There is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary in him going out on loan. Wasn't this also one of those deals that was accelerated by the club due to interest from other clubs?

As for Donny, maybe he'll come good and it's a bit odd he hadn't settled but it happens. He was playing well in the CL for Ajax so he wasn't exactly a hidden gem unearthed by our scouts. Iirc he was recommended by VDS.

Very odd examples to use to suggest we replace the scouts. I suspect your wumming at this point.
 
Josep Dowling said:
They haven’t fluked Ralf at all. It’s also a terrible appointment. Someone who hasn’t managed a big club, hasn’t actually managed for years and hasn’t been very successful as a manager.
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His Resume gets brought up so often.
But the proof is in front of our eyes.
We are improving match to match.
He is not afraid to make changes to tactics and formations.

Playing two full backs who were left to rot. Just look how they are playing.
Benching Maguire who must have felt he had some divine right to start. His first game back he played pretty well.

The best is yet to come.

I'm not saying I want him as our permanent manager. But if we have to wait a year, I would have no problem with Ralf taking us into next season.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Agree. They did fluke Ralf as well because they had no intention of sacking Ole, it’s just fan and media pressure became untenable. They allowed the season to go up in smoke they were so reluctant to do it.

It seems we are copying the exact same mistake we made with Mourinho. We didn’t back him with transfers. It’s totally wrong that Ralf can’t even buy a budget midfielder, especially when we are struggling for top 4 and it could make a big difference.

Talk today that Pogba is in line for a new contract. Another contract extension to avoid buying a new player. If that happens then it confirms nothing has changed with the Glazers in full control, the DOF and Ralf having power is BS.
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The Glazers are reactionary.
The football side of things is secondary to the financial statements. Making sure their ratios are in compliance with the banks.
As for transfers, they always look at how much they can get back if they sell the player. They look at the player as an investment. That was the case with Martial.
Pogba? Same thing with the added bonus because he is a big name.
How much has he contributed?

I remember Mourinho wanted to bring in a couple of players who were on the wrong side age wise.
But he was looking at it from a footballing point of view. For the Glazers such players have no resale value.
 
Josep Dowling said:
Keeping the likes of Pogba isn’t about saving money. He would be earning £400k a week and if he signed a 4 year contract we can be dam sure he won’t move during that time, because no other club would be daft enough to pay him that much. The only thing the Glazers care about is the brand. Pogba has huge appeal on social media and is the face of Adidas for a lot of their advertising. Unfortunately we live in an era where football players are worth more for their off the field activities over their actual talent on the pitch. The Glazers see Pogba as a revenue earner for advertising. Same as Ronaldo. That is why this club will never be successful again with the Glazers owning the club.
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Amen
 
Why do people think Utd will sign someone? We might have a new manager in the summer so it seems extremely pointless to buy anyone who the new manger may not want,
If Ralf is staying on then it would make sense.
 
It's unfortunate that we're more than happy to throw away season after season. First, keeping Ole for waaaay longer than he had any right to be kept on, now not strengthening an area that will most likely cost us European football.

Matthew84! said:
Why do people think Utd will sign someone? We might have a new manager in the summer so it seems extremely pointless to buy anyone who the new manger may not want,
If Ralf is staying on then it would make sense.
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I'm sure we could loan someone. Juventus are desperate to offload Arthur on loan and he'd be a massive upgrade for us, but we're not interested.
 
Matthew84! said:
Why do people think Utd will sign someone? We might have a new manager in the summer so it seems extremely pointless to buy anyone who the new manger may not want,
If Ralf is staying on then it would make sense.
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Depends on Ralfs remit. If after the six months his consultancy role will be to identify players, young and upcoming, that the club and new manager will invest in then why not start now?

His role is ultimately to get us back to winning ways and if that means we need say a midfielder now then surely that's what he needs to do?

For me it's simple. We need a midfielder or two. Whether Pogba leaves or not is of no consequence long term as who do we have for back up in case of injuries?
 
Maybe, just maybe the fact we have not bought a player (yet) is the fact that RR wont be kept on for the next season as manager.
 
SuperiorXI said:
If Donny goes and we don't get any backup then we truly are clueless.
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We still have 7

Matic / Scott / Fred / Hannibal / Pogba / Bruno / Mata who can play in midfield

so I am not too worried but we need some quality for sure if not now then in summer
 
Withnail said:
I've admitting nothing of the sort :lol:
I'm not making hypothetical guesses about the future. I'm saying it's unlikely he's met any add on conditions to date and on the balance of probabilities I think that's fair.

Amad is a young player who is still developing. There is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary in him going out on loan. Wasn't this also one of those deals that was accelerated by the club due to interest from other clubs?

As for Donny, maybe he'll come good and it's a bit odd he hadn't settled but it happens. He was playing well in the CL for Ajax so he wasn't exactly a hidden gem unearthed by our scouts. Iirc he was recommended by VDS.

Very odd examples to use to suggest we replace the scouts. I suspect your wumming at this point.
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Haha almost got you :lol:

Look, I can agree to give the scouts more leeway as you say Amad is young. I think you mentioned earlier or another poster did that out negotiator’s are really poor. He could turn out to be a good signing but for how much we paid you expect him to be able top play for us not go on loan to Rangers.

We will have to agree to disagree on Donny, he’s old enough and cost enough that we need way more from him. Even if he came good now, he has done nothing for 2 years here, it’s just not good enough. Especially when we desperately need quality in midfield and wingback.

you say it’s odd of me to critique the scouts? I find it odd your defending them. Who have we signed that has developed here as a player ? Or was a hidden gem ? Go on I’ll wait…
 
Red Dreams said:
The Glazers are reactionary.
The football side of things is secondary to the financial statements. Making sure their ratios are in compliance with the banks.
As for transfers, they always look at how much they can get back if they sell the player. They look at the player as an investment. That was the case with Martial.
Pogba? Same thing with the added bonus because he is a big name.
How much has he contributed?

I remember Mourinho wanted to bring in a couple of players who were on the wrong side age wise.
But he was looking at it from a footballing point of view. For the Glazers such players have no resale value.
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I totally agree. It’s very frustrating we won’t buy any older players. When we do then it’s the glazers trying to save money so they are on the cheap because they are already past it (Schweinsteiger, Sanchez, Ronaldo etc). We never actually bring in a world class player in his prime, maybe Varane this summer was the last one since RVP but that’s debatable too.

It actually results in us wasting a lot of money as we keep trying to go for players with resale value. Example, like Donny or AWB. They either don’t develop or just don’t fulfil their potential and then turn out to be expensive mistakes. Man City and Chelsea buy players who are already performing at top level.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
Haha almost got you :lol:

Look, I can agree to give the scouts more leeway as you say Amad is young. I think you mentioned earlier or another poster did that out negotiator’s are really poor. He could turn out to be a good signing but for how much we paid you expect him to be able top play for us not go on loan to Rangers.

We will have to agree to disagree on Donny, he’s old enough and cost enough that we need way more from him. Even if he came good now, he has done nothing for 2 years here, it’s just not good enough. Especially when we desperately need quality in midfield and wingback.

you say it’s odd of me to critique the scouts? I find it odd your defending them. Who have we signed that has developed here as a player ? Or was a hidden gem ? Go on I’ll wait…
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Oh Donny probably does need away but we'll see. I was saying 'maybe' because I can't rule out he'll come good. A lot could depend on who the next manager is.

On the last point, I was saying I thought it was odd in the the context of those two transfers. I'm not mounting a general defence of our scouts here.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
you say it’s odd of me to critique the scouts? I find it odd your defending them. Who have we signed that has developed here as a player ? Or was a hidden gem ? Go on I’ll wait…
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That’s all fair criticism if you believe that the scouts have a lot of influence on our signings. I’m not sure they do. The main driver is more likely to be agents and selling clubs giving Ed Woodward a call.
 
suheilsworld said:
Not buying a CM is going to be that final nail in the coffin of 4th place this season
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The hope is that we get a motivated Pogba, who would want to end off the year strong to maximize his payday at PSG, Barca or Madrid. It will be interesting to see where Rangnick thinks Pogba should play. I think the choice is a 3 man midfield with Bruno and one of Fred or McT.
 
When is deadline day ?

I’ve never been so certain we won’t be signing anyone this January
 
Why would we sign anyone if we want to bring in a top-tier manager this summer? They'll want to build the squad to their liking. The best thing we can do now is get the players who have failed in system after system, manager after manager, off our books so the new manager is not bogged down by a large squad and poor financials.

To my mind Ralf's job is to make the club marketable to whomever the best manager is on the market this summer. That means (1) stay in the CL - midseason signings are not going to help here (2) keep a few core players locked in (3) offload players (/wages) who haven't demonstrated success or that he doesn't think are our caliber, to create space for a new manager's additions.

Need to take the long view here.
 
Red00012 said:
When is deadline day ?

I’ve never been so certain we won’t be signing anyone this January
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Am astounded anyone thinks we could possibly sign anyone.
We don't know who next season's manager will be. We can't just land a player on them, or we could easily have another DVB situation.
 
In the current state, I think United has to hire players with great mentality and work ethic.
I dont think the Man Utd team is less talented then the Bayern team, they just dont work as hard, especially off the pitch.
So maybe the player to hire are not the super talented primadonnas, get good players in who are willing to spend 24 hours a day for football. Like always in a group it is possible to be lifted up or dragged down for each individual. Currently the team seems to make no one better, no one gets pushed hard because he sees everyone else working like crazy.

Get some workaholics, mentality monsters, players who are good cause the will it so, not because they were lucky to be gifted!
 
We have 14 players of our first team who could leave at the end of the season I'd say. Big summer coming up :lol:

Cavani
VDB
Mata
Lingard
Martial
Henderson
Bailly
Jones
Tuanzebe
Greenwood...
Ronaldo?
Pogba
Pereira
Matic?
 
onemanarmy said:
We have 14 players of our first team who could leave at the end of the season I'd say. Big summer coming up :lol:

Cavani
VDB
Mata
Lingard
Martial
Henderson
Bailly
Jones
Tuanzebe
Greenwood...
Ronaldo?
Pogba
Pereira
Matic?
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Not necessarily a bad thing. Most of those players are a waste of space.
 
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