What would Moyes have done....

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What are the Caf's thoughts on how our sacked managers would have realistically done had they survived their sacking.

Moyes:
- He would have had a summer transfer window with decent money
- The fans would surely have been against him for finishing outside top 4, or maybe would have given him a fresh start for the new season
- Would he have taken us back into the top 4 in his second season

LVG:
- having won the FA cup would he have had a more successful 3rd season
- would he have solved the boring football conundrum

Jose:
- would martial and shaw have been sold
- would he have steadied the ship after xmas or would we have plummeted down the league

Ole:
- Would he have turned it around to qualify for top 4, would we have plummeted

As much as I wasn't a fan of Moyes, I think he probably would have had a decent second season.
 
Had Moyes survived his first season he would have got sacked in his second and probably early on.
 
LVG more of the same, boring football but hovering around 3rd/4th.

Jose no coming back given how toxic he made the place.

Solskjaer lost the players so I just don't see how he'd have turned it around. We had terrible runs under him in previous seasons but it always looked like the squad was behind him. But in that Watford game the players just gave up, no way that team should have been losing 4-1 to Watford under any circumstances if they'd had their heart in the game.
 
All would have been sacked in the next season. Maybe they would have wasted even more money and ultimately ends in failure.
 
You just have to love the cafe.

Moyes takes champions to 7th, under his own Everton mob, and still people seem to think he'd have done well the next season!
 
LVG would have challenged for the league,
 
stevoc said:
LVG more of the same, boring football but hovering around 3rd/4th.

Jose no coming back given how toxic he made the place.

Solskjaer lost the players so I just don't see how he'd have turned it around. We had terrible runs under him in previous seasons but it always looked like the squad was behind him. But in that Watford game the players just gave up, no way that team should have been losing 4-1 to Watford under any circumstances if they'd had their heart in the game.
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lVG for some reason I reckon would have done better with the players we've had since.
He only used a striker as a finisher too, so Ronaldo might have been perfect for him.
 
If only Putin had thought what would Moyes have done?
 
It’s not even worth considering Van Gaal, he promised his wife he was going to leave Manchester by his 3rd season. We would have had to move on eventually. Funny thing is he actually claimed he wanted a 2 year contract.
 
Sandikan said:
lVG for some reason I reckon would have done better with the players we've had since.
He only used a striker as a finisher too, so Ronaldo might have been perfect for him.
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Yeah maybe the problem there is given just how terrible LVG was in the transfer market I doubt he have been able to assemble a squad even comparable to the current one.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah maybe the problem there is given just how terrible LVG was in the transfer market I doubt he have been able to assemble a squad even comparable to the current one.
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LVG's football has to be the dullest we've had.
We'd be 0-0 most games at half time and home, and the shots on goal seemed to be count on one hand material.

Sort of lucked out in Rashford emerging, which he made out was his giving chances to youth but was actually forced.
And that little 3 or 4 game purple patch was also something he stumbled upon due to other injuries.

Trying to play Van Persie, Falcao and Rooney together sounds liquid football, but was anything but.
 
Sandikan said:
You just have to love the cafe.

Moyes takes champions to 7th, under his own Everton mob, and still people seem to think he'd have done well the next season!
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Don't think he ever would have had us challenging for the league, but even I a huge Moyes hater thinks given a decent summer window, having had the experience of a first season at united under his belt, I dont think its beyond the realms of possibility that he might have got top 4.
 
Ali Dia said:
In some dream after we all fell asleep during a game for the 50th time.

Pressing has taken over and we fell asleep and let it happen.
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We had a style and an outlook under LVG, we dominated possession in nearly every game we played and looked comfortable,

I seriously think that he would have led us to a title race had he been able to continue.
 
He would have signed Kroos in the summer, we'd have won the CL and PL with a Kroos/Fellaini pairing :drool:
 
Sandikan said:
LVG's football has to be the dullest we've had.
We'd be 0-0 most games at half time and home, and the shots on goal seemed to be count on one hand material.

Sort of lucked out in Rashford emerging, which he made out was his giving chances to youth but was actually forced.
And that little 3 or 4 game purple patch was also something he stumbled upon due to other injuries.

Trying to play Van Persie, Falcao and Rooney together sounds liquid football, but was anything but.
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Yeah it was well structured and well coached and all but boring as feck, under LVG I went from constantly looking at things on my phone during games, to having a laptop beside me and watching/checking things on there with the match on the TV and eventually just watching something on TV with the match on the Laptop so I could keep an eye on the score. :lol:

I remember it got to the point back in 2016 where a shot on target during a game was spoken of on here as a positive.
 
LVG might have been interesting, but I do not think he would have challenged for the league.

Moyes, Mourinho and Ole were broken by the time of their sacking.
 
Champ said:
LVG would have challenged for the league,
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Yes agreed, he was planning on signing Mane from Southampton. Wanted to bring in ericsson and add some other pace winger to the team. It would have been interesting to see how it developed under him with a few more of the right sort of attcking players.

Though to pass on Kroos and Debryne is pretty bad.
 
Champ said:
We had a style and an outlook under LVG, we dominated possession in nearly every game we played and looked comfortable,

I seriously think that he would have led us to a title race had he been able to continue.
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I think teams were happy to let us have the ball because we were toothless. None of his transfers have improved. There was a bang of desperation off it all when you look back. Constant mumblings about a system that involved us knocking the ball around in a boring fashion and signing whatever world class wage has been or misfit who needed a club to help us get the job done. Zero plan. Shocking scouting. Even his use of youth players was poor. Fair play to Rashford for rising above the boredom.
 
stevoc said:
Yeah it was well structured and well coached and all but boring as feck, under LVG I went from constantly looking at things on my phone during games, to having a laptop beside me and watching/checking things on there with the match on the TV and eventually just watching something on TV with the match on the Laptop so I could keep an eye on the score. :lol:

I remember it got to the point back in 2016 where a shot on target during a game was spoken of on here as a positive.
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He had a horrible philosophy of only shooting when there was a massively high chance of scoring.
Keep ball of a level we've not seen before or since, but just woeful.

Worst thing was how he tried to suggest a club like United should lower their expectations! Around a time Leicester won the league, and teams like Chelsea would go from woeful one season to instantly back in contention the next.
 
flameinthesun said:
Don't think he ever would have had us challenging for the league, but even I a huge Moyes hater thinks given a decent summer window, having had the experience of a first season at united under his belt, I dont think its beyond the realms of possibility that he might have got top 4.
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I doubt it mate, Moyes lost the players so he would have wanted to ship out most of the squad and replace them with workman like mid-table players. Given 2-3 years I think he could have built a team that could come 4th but he wouldn't have survived that long.
 
100 % we would have signed Kroos under Moyes.we would have lined up something like a 4231. Fellaini would be played as CAM .
 
Moyes would have signed Kroos who would have been our best player. I don't think he was ever the guy to take the club forward but that would have been a huge asset for the next manager. Been crying out for that type of player for over a decade.

LVG was done and the players despised him. Mourinho much the same. I think had Mourinho got the job when LVG did then we challenge for the league in 15/16. Such a missed opportunity and that team was comfortably the worst to watch out of all the post Ferguson sides. Van Gaal was a complete charlatan.
 
Sandikan said:
He had a horrible philosophy of only shooting when there was a massively high chance of scoring.
Keep ball of a level we've not seen before or since, but just woeful.

Worst thing was how he tried to suggest a club like United should lower their expectations! Around a time Leicester won the league, and teams like Chelsea would go from woeful one season to instantly back in contention the next.
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Yeah he broke Herrera, early on Ander was scoring some tasty goals and after getting dropped for a while he only got back into the team when he'd been reprogrammed to only pass sideways. They were dark days, as shit as things were under Jose and Ole at times the football was never that boring.
 
Feck David Moyes.... he started the rot and allowed minnows like Newcastle, WBA etc. to come to Old Trafford with confidence. That to from a position of champions. His half decent run with West Ham (which looks like it is ending) is getting people to forget how bad his reign was.
 
Moyes would have delivered 6 league titles, 3 Champions League, 4 FA cups, 3 World Club titles and 2 League cups. In his job driving a Ford Transit.
 
We’d have likely improved under all of them except Mourinho and Ole I think. Moyes had the worst possible timing after Fergie, and the squad needed work. He’d have bought Kroos and I can’t remember who else we had lined up deals for. For all the ridicule he got, he’s a good manager, took Everton to regular top 6 from relegation battles and won manager of the year twice in his time there.

Van Gaal MAY have been the medicine we needed for longer term gain, and ultimately, there was only so much attacking spark you can have with Ashley Young on one wing and Mata on the other. He at least seemed aware of this, I remember his ‘Ashley Young is good but he is not Neymar’ comment, and he made a lot of reference towards bringing in excitement and fast forward players as a priority. But the foundation he was building on was a football team that respects passing a football, and of a team with organisational structure. It was certainly boring at the time, but it may have been just the stage of evolution he was at.

Jose was done, had lost support of the players and I’m not sure he’d have recovered. Also wasn’t helped by the fact that the press were determined to get him sacked in an almost unprecedented manner, and public opinion usually wins out.

Ole had reached something of a ceiling, and ultimately, if you stop going forward, you eventually start going backwards, which had already started when he left. He did a good job and got us as far as he was capable to, but he was never winning a league title.
 
Two of them were past their prime and two of them were painfully out of their depth. They would have done nothing.
 
Moyes would have had a decent second season! :lol:


I've seen a few of these threads and I don't understand the motivation to discuss it. None were good enough in the first place and they all deserved to be fired.
 
Moyes would've had a better season......when compared to his first. Was rightfully sacked.

LvG could've been given more time, but our scouting was horrendous back then (still is)

Jose too deserved to be sacked, when we was crying for Maguire after not being able to play the two CBs he himself bought.

Ole should never have made permanent in the first place.

In conclusion, I think LvG would've done the best if we spent on the right players.
 
Why would I want to use my brain resources to think about these questions?
 
Sandikan said:
He had a horrible philosophy of only shooting when there was a massively high chance of scoring.
Keep ball of a level we've not seen before or since, but just woeful.

Worst thing was how he tried to suggest a club like United should lower their expectations! Around a time Leicester won the league, and teams like Chelsea would go from woeful one season to instantly back in contention the next.
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He was right though. So many of you expected him to challenge for the league after a small rebuild. Yet 9 years, 4 managers, and 1 billions pounds later and we still haven’t been close.
In fact, winning the FA Cup like LvG did, would be considered a decent achievement at the moment considering we haven’t even won a trophy in 4 years…
 
Moyes was a catastrophe. The increasingly revisionist view of his diabolical eight month tenure is fuelled by nothing other than the fact we’re still shite nearly ten years later.

Wrong man in the wrong job and the worst possible time.
 
I'd have had full confidence Moyesy would bring us back up in the third season.
 
LVG and Mourinho were only getting worse the longer they stayed here.

LVG had a basic style, but that's about as far as it went. He proved unable to get the players we already had to play that style successfully (outside of the most basic 'keep the ball simply for the sake of keeping the ball'). He proved unable to sign the right players to move towards that style more successfully. And he proved unable to change his style to something that would suit the team he had better. Add all three of those things together and there's simply no way back from failure, and both our results and our performance levels were just getting worse.

Mourinho...well, even at his best he only tended to last a few seasons before things fell apart. By the time we got him he was nowhere near his best and had become bitter, toxic and pig-headed. There's no 'blame the players' for losing the dressing room in the way he does, it's all on him. The bullshit he pulls and going out of his way to deflect criticism of himself by throwing players under the bus (the opposite of what he used to do in his early days...and of what Fergie always did), will always end with pretty much everybody hating the entire environment.

Ole and Moyes aren't quite so obvious. Obviously it all fell apart for Ole in his last season, but he'd had a couple of seasons before that where he bounced between having periods of quite a lot of success with other periods where things looked bleak. The overall success of those seasons was probably a bit better than he gets given credit for, with a 3rd then 2nd finish and getting to a bunch of semi's and finals in the cups. Obviously it appeared he wasn't the man to get us over the line, but if he'd left at the end of last season we'd probably be thankful to him for stabilising the ship after Mourinho. Unfortunately we all know what happened this season though. The question is how would he have done if he stayed? Although it was for completely different reasons than Mourinho, I do think Ole would always eventually lose the dressing room at a top club purely because he's not good enough and the players will lose belief and faith. If we'd completely backed him for the rest of this season and next season again I think he would have got things back a bit better than how we started this season, but probably not even reach the levels we had for the last couple of seasons let alone improve on them.

Moyes...this is the most difficult one. I can't see him succeeding while he had the old guard who would compare him directly with Fergie (Rio, Vidic, Evra, Giggs, Rooney, RVP, etc). The drop in quality was just too stark, and he didn't help himself by gutting the coaching team and bringing his own in, so we ended up in a situation where that entire group were basically inexperienced novices at this level. However, if he'd somehow managed to stick around long enough for the old guard to retire or move on, maybe (and it's a very big 'maybe') he could have turned it around a bit as he bought his own players in. I can't see him actually winning anything big, but he might have been able to stabilise us in the top 4.
 
Dolf said:
He was right though. So many of you expected him to challenge for the league after a small rebuild. Yet 9 years, 4 managers, and 1 billions pounds later and we still haven’t been close.
In fact, winning the FA Cup like LvG did, would be considered a decent achievement at the moment considering we haven’t even won a trophy in 4 years…
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Though it must be pointed out expectations had to be lowered due in no small part due to the absolute clusterfeck of a squad LVG assembled over the course of 2 years selling/releasing 20+ players and bringing in 13 at a cost of £200-300m the vast majority of whom were absolutely shite and basically hampered the transfer strategy of both his predecessors for years. Solskjaer was still struggling to get some of Van Gaals duds off the wage bill last year.
 
I'm still astounded that Moyes was allowed to come in and clear the decks and bring in all his own people........in any business this is asking for disaster......coupled with this, that the manager and his new coaching staff, without a trophy or achievement between them, are allowed to rock up into a dressing room full of serial experienced international winners and expect them to accept his instruction as the gospel was incredibly naive to put it mildly.....

And then you add a new rookie CEO to boot at the same time......who thought that he was managing Disneyland.....

When you hear stories like Moyes showing Rio & Vidic videos of Phil Jagielka's defending - if that is true then Moyes must look back at this now and think what planet was he on.......

Fergie blew too much smoke up his arse and Moyes really lapped up 'The Chosen One' mantle.....

Oh how we wish we could go back and have ensured that there was a process to the Fergie replacement - as this was nothing short of the start to the disaster of our rapid demise and we've been chasing our tails ever since.....
 
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