Was appointing an interim manager for a long period a mistake?

I just feel we should have just let Carrick continue as interim and then appointed either Ten Ha or Poch. Should have appointed Ragnick as DoF instead.
 
Someone said:
From the perspective of the players, it's very hard to buy into something that you know might change come May
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That's a shitty attitude to have and if it's the case they can all feck right off. Be professional and give your best.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
No. Hiring Solskjaer for such a long period was a mistake.
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Pintu said:
Exactly.
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sullydnl said:
Possibly. But we left ourselves with little option by sticking with Solskjaer until there were no long term candidates available. Not sure we had any choice but to appoint an interim.

A more pertinent question might be whether Rangnick was the right choice given the teething problems trying to turn us into a pressing side was likely to cause. If we're just looking at this season alone, a manager with approach closer to what we were used to might have had better instant impact.

The counter-point to that though is if we get long term benefit from having Rangnick in this season. Either in terms of him having a better understanding of our issues as he advises us or (hopefully) his work this season meaning our permanent appointment will have less of these teething issues to deal with as he implements an aggressive pressing approach.
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I'd think this is obvious. Not like we have a ton of choices in the middle of the season.
 
The time to judge it is when we appoint the new manager.

If we've done this to make sure we get Poch or the Ajax fella, and they succeed, then it's brilliant.

If not, we've basically written half a season off in limbo.
 
Jibbs said:
I just feel we should have just let Carrick continue as interim and then appointed either Ten Ha or Poch. Should have appointed Ragnick as DoF instead.
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it wouldn’t have worked imo, it’s a good idea in hindsight but at the time, the fan consensus was that he needed to go. If he’d had the run of form Ralf has had/is having the fan and media pressure would have been massive.
 
Ralph1386 said:
But what can we do when the owners turn away from any manager who might question the way the club is run ? And when they only want a yes man who smiles to the cameras? This is the problem here.
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This is why we have to pray the likes of Murtough, Fletcher and now Rangnick will actually have some serious influence on footballing decisions. Our new CEO claims he wants to hand over power on the football side of things to the names mentioned above so only time will tell if that’s true or not.
 
Frankly I think this lot are beyond the influence of any manager - permanent or otherwise. I don't see anyone and changing this lot of whining pathetic pussies, without a massive cull.

You can only live with a gangrenous infection for so long, eventually you have to start excising dead flesh.
 
Tom Cato said:
There is probably a middle ground between a guy like Jose who complains at every turn, and Ole who spends more time fronting a positive outlook than fans deserve, to appease those who enjoy conflict.
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To us, the fans there is a middle ground. I agree with you on that. But we're not the ones in charge of hiring the manager.

In reality, that's not what the board want. And any manager who works under this board is fighting a losing battle anyway.
I'm not happy to say this at all, but it's getting to the point where discussions about players and managers have become moot.

The hierarchy just want profits, dividends and that's it. On-pitch success is secondary to them (if not non-existent). History has shown that this board is not only incompetent, but that they will interfere in any manager's work. If they were competent it would be a good thing. But we've got incompetent people constantly interfering. It's hard to admit but it's a sad realisation.
 
Yes. Especially this spoofer. Carrick should have stayed on while we moved to appoint Ten Hag.
 
Harry hindsight and all that but you can’t help think retaining Carrick whilst you went all out securing the big name manager whatever it took was the ploy. Ironically the better recent performances and results came under Carrick! This is just no mans land for everyone involved in the club
 
Nah. Getting rid of Solskjaer was right, and who else would have been available and willing to join mid-season?
 
Very evident that Ralf has done a good job. There's no coincidence we play so well for the first half, and then fall away in the second.

We aren't fit enough to implement his press for 90 mins. Ronaldo is a liability. Maguire isn't good enough to play in a Ralf team.

Unfortunate truth is, we just need to get to the summer. This is where we will really begin to improve.
 
Jericholyte2 said:
Frankly I think this lot are beyond the influence of any manager - permanent or otherwise. I don't see anyone and changing this lot of whining pathetic pussies, without a massive cull.

You can only live with a gangrenous infection for so long, eventually you have to start excising dead flesh.
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Yeah agree with this. Some of the players are disgruntled beyond the point of any manager being able to motivate them while others are just not good enough regardless of how much they cost. We need a total clear out and restart, basically the board destroyed our rebuild and built a house made out of of crap.
 
I don’t think so - not if we couldn’t get our first choice manager, so I guess it will all depend on who we bring in as permanent manager. Missing out on top 4 could impact that equation, so who really knows.

Thankfully there seems to be some sort of a longer term plan in bringing in RR. So hopefully it’s all a little short term pain for some long term gain.
 
Absolutely not, because what on earth was the alternative?
Having Solskjær in charge for 3 years and letting him pay 140M for players such as Maguire and AWB was a disaster however.
Rangnick is fixing chaos, at the same time implementing something different, this takes time. Not one week, not two months, maybe a whole year for it to really shine.
The thing is, the next guy they hire will be of the same ilk, of the same ideas, hence what is happening now is worthwhile, if he does not stay on for longer.

Those thinking you can go from Solskjær and his amateur setup to something like Klopp at Liverpool in two weeks are seriously deluded.
We do not have the players, but we do have the unrealistic expectations and it's toxic as hell. Oh and bringing Ronaldo back was a mistake, a kind of sweet and sour thing that was always ending one way.
Not just because he isn't performing that well (he isn't a disaster compared to the others), but it was a bit like bringing back Ferguson now if you know what I mean. Move on, let memories stay that way.
 
Not sure what choice we had, the players wouldn't play for Ole and no-one suitable was seemingly available as a long term appointment. We've ended up with someone totally unsuitable, a really strange appointment given we've brought in new coaches too. Whether there was a better interim is not clear but I expect there probably was. Ideally we'd have had someone from the existing setup to see out the season, but I reckon they all knew that these players would let them down as well. Rangnick wouldn't have appreciated that from the outside, and to be fair, had nothing to lose given he's a bit of a nobody and has never been at a club this size.
 
Ralph1386 said:
Do you think the board and owners are ready to listen to him? I certainly don't. They just want a yes-man.
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I'm basing my view on what they did withe their NFL team, could be wrong obviously.

If you read up on what they did there there is a similar picture emerging. I forget the guys name but they bought him in to completely overhaul their previous methods and had success with it.

I'm hoping they are doing similar here
 
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I was in the camp of having an interim manager like Ralf for the rest of the season, and I'm starting to think that was a mistake. Say what you want about Ralf, but I honestly believe part of the problem is the players knowing he won't be here long term.

From the perspective of the players, it's very hard to buy into something that you know might change come May. We could be looking at another completely different approach, with completely new staff. The leaks to the press show that they don't believe in him or his staff and are already thinking about who should be appointed next summer.

I'm not saying the players aren't to blame, but I also don't think it helps when you know your manager won't be here for long.
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If we can't get the Manager we want until summer, what would you have the club do?
 
No. Actually the opposite it was the right decision. No matter who came in the result would have been the same. The dressing room is too broken to be turned around. The players have given up and they are just going through the motions to get to the end of the season so some of them can move on to the other clubs. The team needs a reset which can't be done till the summer. It's better for the new manager to come in with a clean slate and with major changes so he can start coaching with players who are committed. He have the benefit of doing have to deal with the current mess that's in the club.
 
Roane said:
I'm basing my view on what they did withe their NFL team, could be wrong obviously.

If you read up on what they did there there is a similar picture emerging. I forget the guys name but they bought him in to completely overhaul their previous methods and had success with it.

I'm hoping they are doing similar here
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I really hope you are right. I have my reservations because they have not fully backed Ragnick so far.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
The fact of the matter is we aren’t getting new owners anytime soon so we’ll have to hope we can be successful despite them. The only way we can do that is to be a lot smarter in the transfer market and the next managerial appointment absolutely has to be the right one. No one thought much of FSG before Klopp came in especially Liverpool fans but through hiring a top coach and being clever in the transfer market they’ve managed to be successful again.
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Yeah that is our only hope
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
This is why we have to pray the likes of Murtough, Fletcher and now Rangnick will actually have some serious influence on footballing decisions. Our new CEO claims he wants to hand over power on the football side of things to the names mentioned above so only time will tell if that’s true or not.
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Yeah I want to believe they will have some influence but won't know if that's the case or not until the summer
 
No, looking at the situation at the time hiring an interim was the absolute right thing to do. Even if Ole would have produced similar results, the air of negativity around the club while we talk to other managers would be horrible for Ole and the fans. We can now quite happily get linked to anyone without any sort of feeling of betrayal.

On the actual footballing front though, Ole would likely have done no better and the fans would become very negative at the matches and maybe even boo Ole. With an interim, I don't think people will accept just waiting for the summer to replace.
 
It would've made a whole lot more sense if we got someone who had coached recently and at a higher level. Instead, it's been a waste of 6 months for everyone.
 
Oh yeah because with Carrick or any other manager everything would be roses and we would love and laugh and be merry all the way to top 4 and the Champions league then one midfielder in the summer and it will be title after title.

How deluded are people?
 
UpWithRivers said:
Oh yeah because with Carrick or any other manager everything would be roses and we would love and laugh and be merry all the way to top 4 and the Champions league then one midfielder in the summer and it will be title after title.

How deluded are people?
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This is the Redcafe, they will moan no matter what.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
This is the Redcafe, they will moan no matter what.
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Totally agree any manager would struggle with this lot of players. You haveJermaine jenas who let’s face it was absolute 5hite calling us out on work rate and he’s right. You can’t coach a team to run 5k less than the team they’re playing.

Pep or Klopp couldn’t do anything here. Team is visibly dropping and it’s obvious. I like Ralph but let’s face it the club don’t trust him and I think they tell him who to play maguire rashford etc etc. Nobody could do this job
 
At the time it was the right decision to hire Rangnick. When your first choice options aren't available you have to be patient. I think it's a good idea that a new permanent manager starts his job on the first day of preseason training. Ralf is going to have great knowledge to pass on to the next manager. And i'm sure the club will get rid of some of the toxic attitudes that's currently poisoning our first team squad. It makes me mad, listening to all the rumours about poor training sessions and
condescending behavior of our players. Especially when you're earning 5-10-20 times more money a week than most people do in a year.

United fans all over the world need to reset their expectations. We're a long way from competing for titles at the moment. Fingers crossed the new leadership will find a talented manager with new ideas. A person who is not afraid to throw out the negative influences in the first team squad.
 
If the manager you want isn’t available then getting an interim is better than hiring the wrong man long term.

Rangnick will have a great understanding of the squad by the time he’s done, which he will pass on to the next manager. If he’s moving upstairs he won’t have to spend the first 6 months in the role assessing things. He can immediately get started on making the changes we need. It’s worth remembering his reputation is as a club builder from the ground up. We need that exact type of rebuild.

My only concern is that we already have people like Murtough and Fletcher in technical roles. Will Rangnick have power over them or can they simply ignore his suggestions?
 
The obvious answer to the thread title is that we won't know until we have appointed the new permanent manager (and potentially for 12-18 months after that).
 
It was the right decision to lay the foundation. Our players now can't run and press for 90 mins. At best, they can only do it 1st half.

ETH, Poch and the likes style of play is also based on 90 mins run and press. Hence, if they were to come in after Ole the results will still be the same.

Klopp and Pep also took more than 1 season to condition their team. I know it's a painful process but we have to stick to the plan to modernise the style of play.

We are few years behind in development compared to City and Pool because we have incompetent board. Now is the time for change. Be patient
 
Matt007a said:
If the manager you want isn’t available then getting an interim is better than hiring the wrong man long term.

Rangnick will have a great understanding of the squad by the time he’s done, which he will pass on to the next manager. If he’s moving upstairs he won’t have to spend the first 6 months in the role assessing things. He can immediately get started on making the changes we need. It’s worth remembering his reputation is as a club builder from the ground up. We need that exact type of rebuild.

My only concern is that we already have people like Murtough and Fletcher in technical roles. Will Rangnick have power over them or can they simply ignore his suggestions?
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Yeah I am praying our yankee clowns don't think that they know better than Ralf
 
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