Video games have become shit

Nonsense. I hate this whole 'story doesn't matter, only graphics' bollocks. Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Uncharted, Fable 2, Bioshock, Oblivion...all have outstanding story lines and game play. Mass Effect story line rivals FF7 and Zelda for me. And FF7 and Zelda were unique, even 10-15 years a go when they came out. The 90's were't a golden age of gaming, every game released didn't have a story line worthy of a Hollywood blockbuster. There are just as many in depth and captivating games being released today.

And it's no surprise COD4 was far better online, it's the future of FPS. Online FPS are going to be a hundred times better than single player and have 100 times the replay value. What is wrong with that? And fair play to them a lot of FPS' have tried and failed with the online aspect, COD4 nailed it and created one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences ever. And the campaign wasn't a mess, it just had a shit ending, but when you consider the story will carry on in MW2, you can understand.
 
jveezy said:
Yeah from everything I've heard/read it's quite fantastic not just for a superhero video game but for a video game in general.
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Playing it now. Cross between Assasins creed and Doom 3. Works well. Not so much the horror of Doom 3 though, but more so the layout and pathways.


For me, everything post Porsche unleashed ruined need for speed. I like Underground 1 and 2, but then it just got boring. I know people like that open world type thing, but anything bigger then NFS 2 and it was just boring....

They were on to a good thing with Pro Street, but didn't work it properly. Hopefully with a proper developer on now, they can bring back the love of the game.

For me, games have gotten better. I grew up in the 64/Playstation uno era, and its pretty much the same shit just updates with far more content and better detail. Game stories have never been bad, and they just progress.


I mean look at Gran Turismo. 5 is expected to have over a 1000 cars and 100 tracks. 10 years ago, somebody would punch you in the fecking face if you said that a compact disk could hold that kind of data.

For me two games that I believe people underrate that will go down as greats on next gen so far are GTA 4 and Battlefield Bad Company.

For me two excellent games with the later over shadowed by COD.

GTA 4 for me is an excellent game. I know people that owned it and sold it after 2 weeks, but the story line for me, is one of the best i've every played.

Its not like S.A. where you can finish and then bum around doing different stuff, but if you want to do that. Go and play S.A. still a fantastic game, and while the graphics are dated, it is still one of the best games ever.

Likewise Ace Combat series. For an arcade flight sim, none are better. Tom Clancy tried and failed. Ace Combat 5 squadron leader :drool:. Best $100 I've ever spent.
 
WeasteDevil said:
Multiplayer yes, however the single player campaign was a half-arsed mess. If there has something that has gone wrong with video games it's the over focus on online multiplayer modes at the detriment of the classic single player experience.
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You kidding Weastie? I loved the single player, thought it was great.

It also brought us one of the greatest missions ever in the two sniper levels
 
SmashedHombre said:
Nonsense. I hate this whole 'story doesn't matter, only graphics' bollocks. Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Uncharted, Fable 2, Bioshock, Oblivion...all have outstanding story lines and game play. Mass Effect story line rivals FF7 and Zelda for me. And FF7 and Zelda were unique, even 10-15 years a go when they came out. The 90's were't a golden age of gaming, every game released didn't have a story line worthy of a Hollywood blockbuster. There are just as many in depth and captivating games being released today.

And it's no surprise COD4 was far better online, it's the future of FPS. Online FPS are going to be a hundred times better than single player and have 100 times the replay value. What is wrong with that? And fair play to them a lot of FPS' have tried and failed with the online aspect, COD4 nailed it and created one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences ever. And the campaign wasn't a mess, it just had a shit ending, but when you consider the story will carry on in MW2, you can understand.
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I thought the ending, along with the rest of it was brilliantly done
 
SmashedHombre said:
Nonsense. I hate this whole 'story doesn't matter, only graphics' bollocks. Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Uncharted, Fable 2, Bioshock, Oblivion...all have outstanding story lines and game play. Mass Effect story line rivals FF7 and Zelda for me. And FF7 and Zelda were unique, even 10-15 years a go when they came out. The 90's were't a golden age of gaming, every game released didn't have a story line worthy of a Hollywood blockbuster. There are just as many in depth and captivating games being released today.

And it's no surprise COD4 was far better online, it's the future of FPS. Online FPS are going to be a hundred times better than single player and have 100 times the replay value. What is wrong with that? And fair play to them a lot of FPS' have tried and failed with the online aspect, COD4 nailed it and created one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences ever. And the campaign wasn't a mess, it just had a shit ending, but when you consider the story will carry on in MW2, you can understand.
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There was a huge leap in gaming during the 90s. From 2D graphics we had 3D graphics. Thesedays, it's really more of the same but with better graphics. That is all. Which is why people look back with rose tinted specs.

Having said that, I've loved SF4. Best beat'em up, ever.
 
The Flying Potato said:
I thought the ending, along with the rest of it was brilliantly done
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I thought it was pants as you had no idea what had happened or who had died etc. But then at the time I guess I didn't actually realize they would be releasing a MW2 so it does sort of make sense.

Spoony Youngblood said:
There was a huge leap in gaming during the 90s. From 2D graphics we had 3D graphics. Thesedays, it's really more of the same but with better graphics. That is all. Which is why people look back with rose tinted specs.

Having said that, I've loved SF4. Best beat'em up, ever.
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I really want to play SF4 but my pc won't run it, which is really annoying as it looks mint. Even if I play it on the lowest specs with no background and literally just the two fighters it still just runs in slow motion. feck knows why
 
SmashedHombre said:
I thought it was pants as you had no idea what had happened or who had died etc. But then at the time I guess I didn't actually realize they would be releasing a MW2 so it does sort of make sense.



I really want to play SF4 but my pc won't run it, which is really annoying as it looks mint. Even if I play it on the lowest specs with no background and literally just the two fighters it still just runs in slow motion. feck knows why
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For me, it's better than SF II Turbo. The SNES pad let the game down a little, consequently pulling of some moves wasn't easy. No excuses with the 360 pad, though. I don't think I've played a game as much as SF4 on the 360. I think I'm in love with it.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
There was a huge leap in gaming during the 90s. From 2D graphics we had 3D graphics. Thesedays, it's really more of the same but with better graphics. That is all. Which is why people look back with rose tinted specs.

Having said that, I've loved SF4. Best beat'em up, ever.
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I think a lot of the same things are being said about the transition from DVD to Blu Ray. The transition from VHS to DVD was mindblowing and incredibly convenient as well. Now Blu Ray offers an obvious leap in quality over DVD, but it's not quite as drastic so people aren't quite as excited about it.

I just started playing Madden 10 a few weeks ago and I remember thinking that the people look so real. Then I remembered playing the 2002 version at Best Buy and a kid walked by pointing out to his dad that it looked like they were watching a real football game. It's not much of a difference. Detailed because more detailed and that's about it as far as graphics go. Not something to write home about.

The only reason I bought a PS3 was because I realized that the newest games were only being released for the next-gen consoles so I figured I had to dump my PS2 and all the games while I could still get a decent price for them.
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
For me, it's better than SF II Turbo. The SNES pad let the game down a little, consequently pulling of some moves wasn't easy. No excuses with the 360 pad, though. I don't think I've played a game as much as SF4 on the 360. I think I'm in love with it.
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Do you play it online, and is there any sort of delay in the gameplay?

to be honest I was always a Mortal Kombat man anyway. Sub-Zero >>>> anyone from SF
 
jveezy said:
I think a lot of the same things are being said about the transition from DVD to Blu Ray. The transition from VHS to DVD was mindblowing and incredibly convenient as well. Now Blu Ray offers an obvious leap in quality over DVD, but it's not quite as drastic so people aren't quite as excited about it.

I just started playing Madden 10 a few weeks ago and I remember thinking that the people look so real. Then I remembered playing the 2002 version at Best Buy and a kid walked by pointing out to his dad that it looked like they were watching a real football game. It's not much of a difference. Detailed because more detailed and that's about it as far as graphics go. Not something to write home about.

The only reason I bought a PS3 was because I realized that the newest games were only being released for the next-gen consoles so I figured I had to dump my PS2 and all the games while I could still get a decent price for them.
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That's probably right. I think 3D TV is the next biggie.
 
SmashedHombre said:
I thought it was pants as you had no idea what had happened or who had died etc. But then at the time I guess I didn't actually realize they would be releasing a MW2 so it does sort of make sense.
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I assumed they all died as you see the American and Gaz get shot and then you see them trying to save Prices life but fail
 
SmashedHombre said:
Do you play it online, and is there any sort of delay in the gameplay?

to be honest I was always a Mortal Kombat man anyway. Sub-Zero >>>> anyone from SF
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Not played it online, rather with mates. I'm sure there a few online gamers on here, though - they'll surely tell you how it plays online. And I've never liked MK, thought the game was all media hype, when the original came out. . .many many moons ago. But yeah, get hold of SF4 if you can. Nothing beats having a bash with Ryu. Hadoken!
 
Spoony Youngblood said:
That's probably right. I think 3D TV is the next biggie.
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Well there isn't an agreed industry standard for that yet so get ready for another format war.

But yes. It'll take something that drastic to be the next big thing. For gaming the latest fad seems to be open world play. GTA's done it for quite a while, but normally linear games like first-person shooters are now allowing players to travel everywhere and discover everything like in Fallout 3. Even Burnout Paradise moved to an open world interface which was completely different than any racing game I've seen before to my knowledge.

Of course they were dumb enough to leave off 2-player split screen racing. It's nice that you can travel anywhere in Paradise City and do all kinds of crazy stuff but you can't do something as simple as race with someone sitting in the same room? It's just another item in the list of features neglected to make room for new advances.
 
Merman said:
Is the pc gaming industry still alive?
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It's certainly alive. I don't think we're seeing floods of games released like we used to but it's still a successful and viable industry despite piracy concerns and console gaming.

I certainly wouldn't dream of trying to play Football Manager on my PS3.

Also flash games are more popular than ever although the revenue for those is more ad-based.
 
jveezy said:
Well there isn't an agreed industry standard for that yet so get ready for another format war.

But yes. It'll take something that drastic to be the next big thing. For gaming the latest fad seems to be open world play. GTA's done it for quite a while, but normally linear games like first-person shooters are now allowing players to travel everywhere and discover everything like in Fallout 3. Even Burnout Paradise moved to an open world interface which was completely different than any racing game I've seen before to my knowledge.

Of course they were dumb enough to leave off 2-player split screen racing. It's nice that you can travel anywhere in Paradise City and do all kinds of crazy stuff but you can't do something as simple as race with someone sitting in the same room? It's just another item in the list of features neglected to make room for new advances.
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Fuel is the latest raceing game to fail at a sanbox genre
 
WeasteDevil said:
PS3's new 3D mode captured on video, coming in 2010 to all existing games
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Excellent. Although with Microsoft doing their own thing with Natal I'm sure they'd try to push their own format and start another war.

Also worth noting is the fact that you definitely couldn't get updates to your precious games of old. If Zelda or FF7 had glitches, you were stuck with a glitched game. Newer ones can always be fixed or updated (roster updates are fantastic in sports games) or spiced up a bit with downloadable content.
 
Mirror's Edge anyone? I haven't touched any video game for about 3 years now save an odd game of Fifa with my mates so my judgement may be a little skewed, but feck me what a game. It has to be good if it's made me want to play a video game again after an indifferent absence from the whole scene.
 
The single-player of COD4 was great, just far too short. And it isn't bollocks about story lines not mattering because alot of games couldn't give two shits about the story line. The 90's were the golden age of gaming, imo. Even games that had nonsense or linear story lines attempted to make up for it with gameplay, take Mario 64 for example, what a great game, with the story line of saving a princess.

I've not played a decent single-player story-driven game for a long time. Maybe it is bias, maybe it is "meh things were better in those days" I'm still standing by it.
 
Maybe you're just getting older and don't appreciate video games so much? I can guarantee you in 15 years time the youngsters of today will be saying stuff like 'this virtual reality is bollocks, it's all style no substance. Now Mass Effect...that was a game that focused more on storyline and game play than these namby pamby over the top 3d graphics. The 00's, that was the golden age of gaming...' or something to that extent
 
SmashedHombre said:
Maybe you're just getting older and don't appreciate video games so much? I can guarantee you in 15 years time the youngsters of today will be saying stuff like 'this virtual reality is bollocks, it's all style no substance. Now Mass Effect...that was a game that focused more on storyline and game play than these namby pamby over the top 3d graphics. The 00's, that was the golden age of gaming...' or something to that extent
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It could very well be I don't appreciate them as much. But when I look at games like WoW (which I love and played for many years) have taken the emphasis off storylines which, to be fair to them is often the case with MMORPG's and placed the emphasis on the player, which is all well and good. I've never played Mass Effect.
 
You should play it. It might restore your faith in modern video games.
 
Have to buy it for PC, seeing as it doesn't seem to be available for PS3.
 
I really liked the Batman game, the part it shows is only the challenge mode and that isn't my cup of tea anyway.

The main game and the story itself is brilliant, the joker is sensational and his babblings in the background are great fun to listen to. It's also a brilliant font of Batman knowledge and easter eggs, loved it. Although i did finish the story and get all the riddler challenges in around about 14 hours, but it is a really good game.
 
Olly said:
I miss the SNES/Megadrive days. Much more fun IMO.
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You can download all the games easily, I do it often but in general they are all a big disappointment and not as good as how you remember them. Only exceptions are the Mario and Zelda series which are still highly playable to this day.

I have played video games since the 8 bit NES days but for me though each next generation has been an improvement to the previous.

Racing, Sports, Fighting and Shooters are improving all the time.
 
Have you actually bothered giving Batman a go? It is a surprisingly a good game.
 
Randall Flagg said:
You can download all the games easily, I do it often but in general they are all a big disappointment and not as good as how you remember them. Only exceptions are the Mario and Zelda series which are still highly playable to this day.

I have played video games since the 8 bit NES days but for me though each next generation has been an improvement to the previous.

Racing, Sports, Fighting and Shooters are improving all the time.
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I know, I've downloaded some before, doesn't feel the same as playing them on the actual console though IMO.

I still have as much fun as ever when I hook my old consoles up :)
 
I don't care what anyone says, GTAIV was a steaming pile of donkeys shit that didn't live up to its hype and didn't deserve the praise it got.

I don't play games as much anymore, I'm not sure if that's cause I think they've gotten worse, or if it's because I'm older. I got FFVII when it first came out and I was 13 and I played and finished it at least once a year til I was 18, and then college hit and I just wasn't arsed anymore.

FPS games don't enthrall me like they used to either, I loved the single player of Half Life 2 and COD:MW, and Killzone 2 was good as well, but the online just bored me. I grew up playing Counter Strike since I was 12, and I played it consistently for about 5 to 6 years, until Source came along (which is shit) and everyone switched to it. No other online FPS has really hooked me since, probably because I loved Counter Strike so much that I will never find any other FPS as enjoyable.

Generally I don't play games as much anymore, I'm not as bothered, the only games I can think of in the last year that I finished and really wanted to finish were Fallout 3 and MGSIV. I finished the likes of Killzone 2, Left 4 Dead and Little Big Planet too, but I wasn't bothered about it and only really did it for the sake of it.

FIFA 09 is the only online game I regularly play.

So I dunno if games are getting worse, or better, or what, but I think that because they're so commercial now that it'll be hard to get genuinely classic games, such as FFVII now.
 
It seems like no one is making good 3D platform games any more.

It's a shame because I used to love playing the likes of Super Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie and Donkey Kong 64 when I was younger.

The N64/Playstation era was full of them.
 
I_live_cement said:
It seems like no one is making good 3D platform games any more.

It's a shame because I used to love playing the likes of Super Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie and Donkey Kong 64 when I was younger.

The N64/Playstation era was full of them.
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Ratchet and Clank is ace
 
Reading about FF7 in this thread is killing me. When does 13 come out?! :D
 
I_live_cement said:
It seems like no one is making good 3D platform games any more.

It's a shame because I used to love playing the likes of Super Mario 64, Banjo Kazooie and Donkey Kong 64 when I was younger.

The N64/Playstation era was full of them.
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SMG and Ratchet and Clank are the obvious main ones and are very good. There are a few more but yeah... there needs to be more :(
 
No game has yet to grip me the way that Battlefield 2 has. I've played it almost constantly since it's been released in 2005. I must say that the only really good singleplayer games that have stuck in my memory were GTA San Andreas and the KOTOR series. CoD4 singleplayer was hideously over rated, and the multiplayer is acceptable, if generic and repetitive (stopping power AK with deep impact anyone?).

The games industry has become stale in terms of new concepts. While Indie games push the industry in new directions but don't get enough exposure to make a true difference, the big studios pay for endless sequels and play it safe (how many bloody Splinter Cells are we on now?). The last really exciting forward movement in gaming was the ALife system that was used in X3, STALKER, and Oblivion, and that hasn't at all been picked up by the current generation of open world games.

The next big leap is going to be procedurally generated content - and there are a number of titles on the horizon that look to implement this.
 
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