They have their very own RashfordDonny, Gomes and Allan have all been very poor but nothing compared to Dele Alli since he’s come on. Sweet Jesus is there a man who no longer can be arsed
Van De Beek | Everton Loan Watch
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But my name implies failureIt's more being stuck with a name relating to a player who has massively failed here.
There's people still dotting around with Moyesy in their username though...you'll be like them
Van the bench isn't exactly a term of endearment.
But my name implies failure
Van the bench isn't exactly a term of endearment.
I must be missing something here...unless Bank = Bench in dutch.
But your name is VandeBank, not VandeBench?!
Just like in the previous game, it said about his time at Everton being a sure success, this game will say nothing in the opposite. The man is learning what it means to be playing regularly again. We need much more games to form a good opinion. One thing I know is that nothing sensible justified playing so little for Man Utd
Enough has been said about the limitations of his abilities but his lack of personality and desire to make a mark on a game is a big reason why he's not made it at United. Was evident in that second half against Southampton.
On an unrelated note, Romeu is a far better midfielder than both Fred and him are.
On an unrelated note, Romeu is a far better midfielder than both Fred and him are.
McTominay I agree but Rashford has accomplished a lot more for united
When I first saw your username, I assumed you were a Van De Beek fanboy(girl?). Then I saw some of your posts slating him and got confused. It now makes senseBingo.
I'm very happy I went with this one and not Donny Brooks
This is one of the strangest transfers we've ever made.
I tried my best to explain this to the VDB fan club after the Leeds game but they wouldn't have it
IIRC Murtough wasn't appointed Football Director in the summer VdB was signed, it was late 2020 I think.
I see it said he's not a midfielder, he's an attacking mid.
Well, if he's got even a 1% chance of making it here then it definitely isn't going to be as an attacking mid. He's not an attacking mid in the PL, no way no how. You need dynamism, skill, pace, we're not just going to have a lightweight technical player floating around offering little like he's playing for a Spanish side 20 years ago. We play Bruno there because he offers all that and has the skill to pull off the miraculous which when you're covering a midfielders arse is expected in this day and age.
He's got to make it as a midfielder to be useful for us so I'm glad if that's how Everton are using him. The best case is he becomes some kind of technical water carrier in there but he needs to be more switched on defensively and work harder which might come with sharpness, keep it neat and tidy which he's capable of.
Well, if he's got even a 1% chance of making it here then it definitely isn't going to be as an attacking mid. He's not an attacking mid in the PL, no way no how. You need dynamism, skill, pace, we're not just going to have a lightweight technical player floating around offering little like he's playing for a Spanish side 20 years ago. We play Bruno there because he offers all that and has the skill to pull off the miraculous which when you're covering a midfielders arse is expected in this day and age.
He's got to make it as a midfielder to be useful for us so I'm glad if that's how Everton are using him. The best case is he becomes some kind of technical water carrier in there but he needs to be more switched on defensively and work harder which might come with sharpness, keep it neat and tidy which he's capable of.
Pretty much this. Everton looked like a side which had no ambition for anything more than a bore draw. The entire Everton squad was anonymous, Donny no more or less so than his new teammates. In fact, at least through the first 30 minutes or so Donny was the only Everton player interested in the proceedings on the pitch.
So you think he had no say whatsoever?
Well if he wasn’t in a role that involved signing players…
So you think we just dropped him in a totally different job despite him having no experience whatsoever in it? I believe that he already had Woodward's ear way before his official title was confirmed. In fact he was tasked to revamp the recruitment department back in 2019
You can’t blame people that were not in charge of transfers for a bad transfer. That’s like blaming the new chef at a restaurant for a shit meal you had the week before he arrived.
Murtough was involved in revamping the recruitment team back in 2019. The guy has been involved in transfers for way more time then when he was given the DOF role.
Any proof of that?
https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...tball-news/who-is-john-murtough-wiki-20035334
https://www.football365.com/news/bellingham-man-utd-snub-murtough-presentation
Murtough also stuck with Ole despite everyone wanted him out and praised his cultural reset at the club. He also said that Ole left United in a better situation to the one we had in 2018
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He had a forgettable game. Just like the rest of the Everton team. No sparks today.
I expect you would understand the simple fact that when you are not in a leadership position at a football club (CEO, DoF, Manager), you will only follow what direction you are given, and yes Murtough was working in revamping recruitment department and helped with academy and all that during his time before being appointed as DoF, but he had no authority or power to decide on who the club targeted in summer 2020 as he wasn't in the role yet. (It was Ole together with transfer committee that included Woodward, Lawler, Bout, and others)
Since Ole's departure, he made the decision to get an Interim Manager (Rangnick), and in summer 2022, he will also have to decide who will be the next Head Coach, he will also decide on the players the club can target to strengthen the first team (Rangnick will provide consultation on those matters), this is where the challenge will be for Murtough as a DoF with full authority.
Edit: on the bolded part, when Murtough was appointed, he reported to Woodward, Ole also reported to Woodward so that meant Murtough will not have the power to fire Ole only Woodward as the CEO had the power to do so.
It's very rare Dutch players to take the game by the scruff of the neck. They play a different game. DVB didn't play a bad game. In the first half he had a decent game. He was always open to receive a pass and move. He is a much better player than Fred or McTominay. Heck, most midfield players in the PL are better than McFred.
Agree.What do they say, games are won and lost in midfield.….Heck how did we get currently to 4th in the league with them then?
He won’t come in and transform our midfield.
But he will still do ok in a midfield 3 as 8 if we have a solid anchor.
But he will still do ok in a midfield 3 as 8 if we have a solid anchor.
Lawler, Bout and co are part of the recruitment team that Murtough had revamped at 2019. These same people are still here despite he is now DOF.
Regarding your second comment Murtough said
"We have a long-term strategy and confidence in the direction that we’re going," Murtough said at the latest Fans’ Forum meeting. "Premier League is one of most competitive leagues in the world - players in from abroad and other leagues tell us how different it is - but we are 100 per cent up for that challenge.
"We believe that we've got the talent and the character within the squad to succeed. Need to keep control, don't get carried away, don't deviate from our plan. Ole and the staff are very focused on that.
"Don't get distracted by what's said on social media, which can sometimes create fervour and hysteria. It’s part of the modern game, but we stay focused."
He also defended Ole's tenure saying that we're stronger now then in 2018 when we all know that its not the case. Ole's time was a disaster and a rather expensive one. Murtough also refused to back the manager in January which stinks of hypocrisy when hundreds of millions of pounds were spent by the previous manager to make it work.
He's actually been better for us in central midfield. Whenever he's played as a #10 he's generally been invisible and did nothing but play extremely safe and hurt our attacking game. Whereas towards the end of last season and in some of his chances this season he's actually had a few fairly good games in the midfield role.
That doesn't mean his best role wouldn't be as a #10 in a different system though.
Because we have world class players in many other positions. Including the keeper.
Can you imagine if we had great midfield players? We would be contesting for the PL.
Only just got round to watching the Everton game from yesterday.
My word VDB was poor. No intensity to his play, jogging around and no desire to stop the first or second goal, (neither were his fault, but he could have put a challenge in for both).
An unusual display as he is normally full of industry and running.
Maybe the lethargy of the Everton team rubbed off on him.
My word VDB was poor. No intensity to his play, jogging around and no desire to stop the first or second goal, (neither were his fault, but he could have put a challenge in for both).
An unusual display as he is normally full of industry and running.
Maybe the lethargy of the Everton team rubbed off on him.
VDB is incapable of taking the game by the scruff of the neck, because his best attribute is his movement.
He's not a good dribbler, has a limited passing range and doesn't have a great shot.
Ziyech is also Dutch and he does take the game by the scruff of the neck because he excels at the things I mentioned.
VDB's style is dictated by what he's good at and what he isn't, not because he's some sort of Ajax academy super genius playing with morons all the time.
That's a weird claim.
I really doubt Murtough had much say on Ole. However, he was Football Director for the Ronaldo signing and him going along with that definitely looks bad on him. It’s his job to not make daft, unplanned signings like that.
Playing very deep tonight, very much on the left hand side too, very disciplined role by the looks of things.
Bright start for him so far.
Bright start for him so far.
Hard working half. Allan and Doucoure back against lesser opposition will give him more of a chance to get into the box and be a goal threat. His passing range for a deep midfielder is limited but he is technically sound in the short passing game. Not a great performance by any means but a solid 6/10 so far.
his direct opponent today was KDB, who wasn't able to do anything. So very much a good match for VDB.
Did well in a defensive, scrambling role, very responsible in his tracking, made a couple of important tackles and interceptions. Nothing of note on the ball but Everton have had like 20% of it so not much opportunity.
I do think his passing range is a problem.
I do think his passing range is a problem.
Faded dramatically in the second half.
Was near anonymous when he got taken off.
Good first half though.
Was near anonymous when he got taken off.
Good first half though.
Donny van de 60 minutes
Did he? His job today was to make sure KDB couldn't do anything, which he succeeded to do, even in the second half. The whole Everton team had way less possession in the second half, so not really fair to call it "Faded dramatically" for only VDB
VDB was distinctly average. Did some good and some bad.
I think he's found his level.
I think he's found his level.
I don’t think he‘s going to hit long raking passes or to switch play, but he’s comfortable playing short quick interchanges, we just don’t play that type of football.