He is a guaranteed starter for Everton after the MOM display. Hope he kicks on and manages to get back in the national team as well. We can then take him back or sell him for a much better price.
Van De Beek | Everton Loan Watch
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Sure. And every manager has just sabotaged themselves not playing him.
Once Doucoure comes back from injury, it'll be interesting to see how Lampard uses the players he's able to select because they all bring their own strengths and weaknesses.
It'll be good to see how he plays, if he plays, tomorrow against Southampton.
I think the main argument is that he deserved to start based on the performances he had this season. Whether he had the necessary qualities to cement his place in the team is something we don't and can't know because he simply wasn't given said chances. I remember the game against West Ham - very good passing, we controlled the game perfectly, he made some great killer passes... I said "this is the best midfield performance i've seen in a long time at this club." and really the only midfield performances in which the midfielder actually acts like one - looks for the ball, distributes it, initiates forward passing, etc. I said - this time he has to start the next game, there's no way he's benched again. Well, lo and behold, he is promptly benched.
I fail to see how McFred, let alone Matic, have showcased even remotely that they are better in midfield than him. Despite them being undroppable and having more match sharpness than Donny, at his worst he is just as bad as them, but at his best he is miles better. When was the last time we've controlled a game with the McFred duo? Even Norwich dominated us. Our midfield in every single match is non-existent and I'm not joking. If you put two cones in there, it wouldn't make much of a difference. I don't understand why some people are acting like Donny is being asked to replace Paul Scholes and Roy Keane in midfield.
Ole got the sack due to bad results... Rangnick isn't getting the shiniest results so far, whether we get top 4 is very debatable at this point and would rely on Spurs and Arsenal bottling it more than us doing anything. So...? I don't see how any of this is a glowing recommendation. Just because they are managers don't make them infallible, especially mediocre to bad managers. Even the GOAT manager that was SAF made plenty of mistakes, let alone people like Rangnick and fecking Ole (with all due respect of him as a player but not as a manager).
good luck getting a clear and sensible answerSpot on!
In my opinion Ole did, he had plenty, plenty opportunities to give Donny a run. Even if he thought it's risky to start him, he could give him 30' or so. If he was given say 10 games as a sub in relatively short span of time, then we could somehow assess him.
That never happened, especially when Ole finally understood he's more effective in midfield rather than as more advanced midfielder, he was just frozen on the bench with occasional 5min cameo. I can't take seriously anyone who thinks van de Beek got "plenty of chances to prove himself".
Carrick and Ralf are in survival mode so it kind of explains why they would not risk trying anything new/risky. Better to stick to maybe poor, but proven McFred!
Although your trust in our managers is quite praiseworthy.
You won’t get many people arguing that our midfield options are good. They aren’t. It is a bit of a spurious argument to compare his technique to our other options. The greater question is whether he is or will be an elite CM for a top club who actually wins things.
I agree he put in the odd decent performance, but the other lads have played well from time to time as well.
It’s simple. Both Ole and Ralf were/are on thin ice. When fit, Fred and McT were/are as close to “safe” as we can get. Donny is a more progressive player best utilised in a possession heavy side... which we were/are not. That’s why he didn’t get opportunities...it says more about the fear of our managers and limitations of the overall squad. He may not be an option for us moving forward in that regard as we may opt for a more combative midfielder and as the previous poster suggests... when the heat turns up on Lampard and Doucoure is fit... will Donny still get a chance to show he is not just a pass and move merchant and can be a more all rounder?
All pretty fair and plausible.
Spot on, you would think it was Pep or SAF that's come in and denied Donny chances with the way people defer to Ole and RR's decisions on him. I don't think he is a world beater but he definitely deserved better than how Ole, in particular, treated him.
great post mate. it’s exactly how I feel also.
Look at Oles last game against Watford, he came on at half time after *another* stinker from Mctominay and played a blinder. scored a goal, serviced the front line with some beautiful passes.
Ole is then sacked and it’s scrubbed from the memory - mcfred back to steady the ship.
The thing that baffles me is it’s not like he’s got scholes and keane ahead of him. If our midfield was so good it might be a bit like the veron situation and you could say fair enough.
The other thing is he played EVEN LESS than his first season?! after all the BS ole said in pre season about him looking fitter and stronger and ready.
I suspect he will continue to play well at Everton then ask for a transfer this summer. doubt he would want to come back.
So, they are in survival mode, they seem the player on the training ground all the time, and they don't play him. What does that tell you?
Should be able to get what we paid back for him this summer if he’s a mainstay for Everton. They love an overpriced deal more than us
Probably Everton will prove to be his level - a good technical player doing a good job for a top-8 team.
It tells me that instead of trying something new, our managers keep doing the same expecting different outcome. It isn't getting better, in fact it's getting worse and that's how we ended up in survival mode.
Every point I make flies above you, and you just keep coming back with the same argument. "3 managers didn't pick him", and our managers don't do any mistakes, which is proven by fantastic results from both Ole and Ralf. Even if van de Beek has a decent season at Everton, I'm sure this will not convince you he has a future here because, well, our managers didn't pick him. Fair enough, let's end this discussion and enjoy Fred, McTominay, Pogba and Matic dominate opponents until the end of the season and see what happens next when Pogba, Matic, and van de Beek leave in the summer.
No that's not the question, because none of our midfielders count as "elite CM" anyway, so even if van de Beek turns out a bit better than them, it makes sense to play him and keep looking for better midfielders. I don't get this "let's play McFred until we find the next Xavi" approach at all.
We are VERY likely to end up with McTominay and Fred as the only midfield options (from current squad) at the beginning of next season.
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Yesterday's quotes could well suggest he has no intention of coming back in the summer
You have this strong belief that you are a better judge than 3 professionals whose jobs depend on making a choice who will play.
I have far more confidence in their ability to judge the players' skills, fit and potential to improve the team that actually goes out to play on the field.
Your argument that all managers basically acted blindly, just doing whatever the previous man did, is to put it bluntly, stupid. First thing that happens after a change in management of a failed regime, is trying something new.
It is incredibly telling that neither Carrick, nor Rangnick gave Donny a chance.
But you have to actually want to think rationally about it.
Well, for the sake of his career, he shouldn't come back, as long as he found a place where he plays and plays good.
The risk of getting benched again is too high. Also, after the way Ole/RR treated him, he actually really shouldn't come back.
Yeah certain only way he comes back is if Ten Hag gets the job, he will reassure him of his role but appoint Pochettino and he is gone
The only new thing Ralf tried was to sent Donny on loan, because we have strong midfield without him. I, in contrast to you, question our managers competences, especially when it comes to midfield choices.
Yeah could understand him finding it difficult to get into this midfield if we had City or Chelsea like options but haven't had for about 13 years.
They would, better than what we see right now
Yay! He starts. I have a United player to cheer on Saturday.
Starting again, will watch to see how he does.
At Utd, would expect him to be subbed at HT based on his performance, but hopefully at Everton he is given a little more trust.
Been mediocre so far, sloppy on the ball and non existent defensively. Romeu and Ward Prowse dominating the midfield.
Been mediocre so far, sloppy on the ball and non existent defensively. Romeu and Ward Prowse dominating the midfield.
Average to poor in the first half.
His positioning generally is good, but he hasn't done anything of note.
His positioning generally is good, but he hasn't done anything of note.
Pretty anonymous
Any good passes, strong tackles, anything?
A few good runs into the box early, you can see there is a goal threat in him if he was given a role where he had pure freedom to just do that all game. Nothing else of note.
Oh bit like us then
Nope, nothing of note in the first half.
Gave the ball away dangerously at the start of the second half and put in a cross just now for an assist but offside.
Extremely lazy on the Southampton goal. His lack of passun is worrying.
yes he lost the ball once. Very sloppy, should be subbed off immediately.
Awful by Gomes for the goal but it all comes from DVB going backwards with the ball when there was no need 10 seconds earlier.
Disagree that it's VDB fault they didn't just hoof it at the back. That's on them. He should have sprinted back though, it could have made a difference.
He's ripe for a subbing. Terrible shot outside of the box.
70% pass completion first half, dispossessed 3 time, no tackles, no headers, nothing created, couple of crap shots.
Anonymous half.
Everyone can have them, how he reacts is the important thing.
He didn't just lose it once, he's been crap.
he's not good, i'll give you that. But his midfield partner first half was so bad he got subbed and his new midfield partner gave away a goal in a few minutes. So it's not all on VDB, despite people here hoping for it