United will not be 'successful' until we stop being profitable

Many times we've heard that players are bought first and foremost for their commercial viability. Woodward wet his pants when we signed Pogba because our social media hits skyrocketed. I think Ole was appointed full-time based on emotion after the win in Paris, when we should have waited until the end of the season. A lot of what we do makes no sense.

Certainly correct about Ole appointment.
Yes there were a number of good results. But his credentials simply did not stack up as a manager for Manchester United.

Conversely, there is some logic to the appointment of RR. Not just in the interim, but for the next 2 years.
We desparerately need someone to get to grips with the multitude of problems without having the day to day football challenges to deflect him.
And the 2 year timeframe seems realistic.
 


Think this blows this theory out the water. If you’re outspending literally everyone, you should be winning everything. Or at the very least a trophy every year.


Not if you spend the money according to commercial criteria rather than footballing ones.

All we need is a good manager at the right time.

Every single one has been poor.

Do you think that is a coincidence or simple incompetence of selection? It's not.
 
Certainly correct about Ole appointment.
Yes there were a number of good results. But his credentials simply did not stack up as a manager for Manchester United.

Conversely, there is some logic to the appointment of RR. Not just in the interim, but for the next 2 years.
We desparerately need someone to get to grips with the multitude of problems without having the day to day football challenges to deflect him.
And the 2 year timeframe seems realistic.

Depends on how much influence RR will have after the new manager steps in. If it's just a consultancy role, then the club is free to accept or reject any advice he gives. Will he be allowed to get to grips with the problems, especially if the source of those problems outrank him? I dunno.
 
Depends on how much influence RR will have after the new manager steps in. If it's just a consultancy role, then the club is free to accept or reject any advice he gives. Will he be allowed to get to grips with the problems, especially if the source of those problems outrank him? I dunno.

Yes. That is a good point. But as a football fan, you always live in hope.
And maybe that is all we have.
My view is that in football, success can be cyclic.
Through Sir Alex Ferguson, we were at the top for much longer than normal.
Hopefully, the lack of success will not be as long.
For a club of our resources, we have to get it right at some point.
 
We won't be a success until we have more of a data driven approach towards transfers, instead of this scatter gun nonsense.
 
Posts like these annoy me - you’re just wrong. We spend enough money to buy the players needed to win leagues, we just buy the wrong ones. This is a fact, we spend more money than most other clubs if not all. Another aspect is that the owners of course wants to win trophies, we just aren’t able to because we’ve had a shit manager for years + buying the wrong players. 80m for Maguire, for god’s sake I feel ill when even writing it.

So no, the premise in the opening post is just plain wrong. We can be successful, we just need better players and a great manager. The top clubs have top managers, we have had an amateur until recently.
Man Utd spent the most money to improve the squad (included players and managers) for the past decade. Whether the club did a good job on recruitment is another story.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...rcelona-and-arsenal-for-net-spend-over-decade
 
If the plan of the Glazers was to gradually de-sensitise United fans to the idea of winning trophies, the last few years have proved to be a master stroke. Years on from our last trophy of any description, we are no closer to winning the PL title. Yet the boardroom level outrage that you would expect to see at our fellow big club rivals appears to be completely missing.

Whatever one says about the managerial merry-go-rounds at Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona PSG, no-one can say that those clubs are not run by people who see silverware as the sole currency of success. Conversely, at United, profit is the singular motive of the Glazers and silverware seems all but incidental to that goal. The tragedy is that we are in a virtual death spiral with the Glazer family. They have found ways to keep United continually profitable, without it needing to be successful. Not only that but massive wages have created inflated egos and relative to investment, produced poor on-pitch returns.

The amateur hour efforts at succession planning in the wake of Sir Alex's departure are the clearest evidence if it were needed, that those running the club are utterly clueless. As we amble towards the summer and the appointment of a permanent manager, can we be confident that an appointee is being sought to suit the board or the club? As painful as it may sound, if it means that United can finally break free of the Glazers, years out of the Champions League and a declining global brand may actually be the best thing for us.

What do others think?

Why do people still push this conspiracy theory/narrative? If the Glazers really only cared about the financials, why have we spent nearly £1BN net in the last ten years? Plus, we hand out the most ludicrous contracts in the PL. It just doesn't add up to the most basic scrutiny.

The truth is, since 2014, the Glazers have made more than enough funds available to win trophies, but Ed Woodward made an absolute pigs ear of running the club and managing the way that money was spent.
 
Man Utd have spent the most net spend on players over the last decade than every club in Europe. If we wasnt profitable we couldnt do this. The fact that the players bought have mainly been wank for one reason or another is besides the point.
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I struggle to see how being less profitable gets us out of the expensive mess we've created for ourselves. We've spent an extraordinary amount of money poorly and it seems like only an extraordinary amount of money spent well will get us out of it. We can't replace players without money, so becoming unprofitable sounds like a very bad idea.

Well it sounds like a bad idea for a number of reasons, debt, club infrastructure, technological advancement, youth investment, stadium refurbishment and more - but as for the problem of having a poorly performing squad, it seems rather counter intuitive.
 
I wonder how much more profitable we would have been if we'd been successful in the last 10 years.

Exactly. Plenty of people have pointed to the fact that we are spending as much or more than all our rival for years as our fans bleated on about not investing enough in the squad. Its amazing that such rich businessmen have put so little structure in place to maximise success on the pitch when it would make them more money.

The Glazers are rightly hated by all United fans but largely because they have allowed the club to be so poorly run and because they saddled it with an insane amount of debt. Imagine how much money United would have if they hadn't been paying that off for the past 17 years.

One thing you can't really accuse them of is not putting money into the squad. They have neglected the stadium and other parts of the club but on the field we should have a world class team for all the money spent.
 
If the plan of the Glazers was to gradually de-sensitise United fans to the idea of winning trophies, the last few years have proved to be a master stroke. Years on from our last trophy of any description, we are no closer to winning the PL title. Yet the boardroom level outrage that you would expect to see at our fellow big club rivals appears to be completely missing.

Whatever one says about the managerial merry-go-rounds at Chelsea, Real Madrid, Barcelona PSG, no-one can say that those clubs are not run by people who see silverware as the sole currency of success. Conversely, at United, profit is the singular motive of the Glazers and silverware seems all but incidental to that goal. The tragedy is that we are in a virtual death spiral with the Glazer family. They have found ways to keep United continually profitable, without it needing to be successful. Not only that but massive wages have created inflated egos and relative to investment, produced poor on-pitch returns.

The amateur hour efforts at succession planning in the wake of Sir Alex's departure are the clearest evidence if it were needed, that those running the club are utterly clueless. As we amble towards the summer and the appointment of a permanent manager, can we be confident that an appointee is being sought to suit the board or the club? As painful as it may sound, if it means that United can finally break free of the Glazers, years out of the Champions League and a declining global brand may actually be the best thing for us.

What do others think?
We should stop paying over the odds for players we don't even need.
Extending players contracts just to sit on the bench.
Start buying players that want to play for the badge, not expensive wasters with big egos.
 
If the Glazers really only cared about the financials, why have we spent nearly £1BN net in the last ten years?
First things first: I do agree that the money spent could have been enough to win several titles, probably should have with better recruitment strategies.

However it makes sense for United to spent a lot of money from a commercial point of view.

Without titles, what makes United the biggest club in the world, which it claims to be, and needs to be able to claim to be able to get the big commercial deals? It is only the financial power, and that needs to be demonstrated by making big transfers, otherwise the image of the club will diminish.