Trophy-wise, what sort of success would you settle for in future?

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The title of this thread was originally going to be 'do you think we will ever rediscover past glories'. Realistically the answer to that question is 'no'. United are no longer the dominant force that we were and whilst it is clear that United are no where near its ceiling, even if we reach that level City, Liverpool and Chelsea are already there. Therefore I cannot see how we can be the dominant force that we once were. Not only that but within five seasons Newcastle will likely join that group.

That said, trophy-wise, what should we expect? Personally, I would settle for a Premier League title every three or maybe four years and a Champions League every seven or maybe eight years. To supplement the above, I would be happy to win one of the cups every couple of years as well. This would mean that we could expect to win a trophy of some description every couple of years. With the spending power that we have and the quality of player and manager we should be able to attract, I think that is perfectly reasonable.

But what do you think? What sort of success would you settle for in future?
 
fastwalker said:
The title of this thread was originally going to be 'do you think we will ever rediscover past glories'. Realistically the answer to that question is 'no'. United are no longer the dominant force that we were and whilst it is clear that United are no where near its ceiling, even if we reach that level City, Liverpool and Chelsea are already there. Therefore I cannot see how we can be the dominant force that we once were. Not only that but within five seasons Newcastle will likely join that group.

That said, trophy-wise, what should we expect? Personally, I would settle for a Premier League title every three or maybe four years and a Champions League every seven or maybe eight years. To supplement the above, I would be happy to win one of the cups every couple of years as well. This would mean that we could expect to win a trophy of some description every couple of years. With the spending power that we have and the quality of player and manager we should be able to attract, I think that is perfectly reasonable.

But what do you think? What sort of success would you settle for in future?
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The first time I read the thread title quickly I thought it said "trophy-wife, what sort of success would you settle for?" :)

I think at this point winning one premier league title and proving we can actually do it without Sir Alex would be the bomb.
 
A treble every season and no less!

Seriously though I’d take league cup win and an FA cup win now and then. Think we are many years from a league title and even further from a CL win.
 
Don’t really have much say in it to be fair.

Either way I will be a supporter so would settle for anything I get given I suppose
 
Next season, I’d take one of:

League cup
FA Cup
Whatever non UCL European tournament we enter

After that I expect building blocks towards challenging for the league even if it sacrifices a domestic trophy.
 
i’d like us to win a community shield due to the 7 teams finishing above us in the league deciding it’s not a trophy they can be bothered winning and refusing to take part in it.
 
Not particularly bothered about winning any silverware at the moment - just being consistent and competitive would be a start!

The trophies will come in time.........
 
There’s a high chance that we never win another significant trophy ever again. So would be happy with anything
 
Depends on the context of the league, I guess.

It's harder to win the league now than it would be with pretty much any manager who isn't Guardiola at City, for example. Conversely it may also become more difficult in the future if a club like Newcastle insert themselves as another title contender.

The more important thing for me is actually challenging and having the potential to win pretty much every year. How often you should actually win then just depends on the strength of the opposition and will be different at different times.

I guess I'll know we're winning enough when our manager feels secure in his job as an actual success. If the new guy actually wins a PL or CL then he'll have a hard job getting us to ditch him.
 
The League Cup and Europa League aren't proper trophies.

CL, PL or FA Cup are the only things worth winning. After that, in terms of importance, it's progress up the league that demostrates our improvement as a team to set us up for a challenge in one of those competitions further down the line.
 
Belisarius said:
The first time I read the thread title quickly I thought it said "trophy-wife, what sort of success would you settle for?" :)

I think at this point winning one premier league title and proving we can actually do it without Sir Alex would be the bomb.
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I actually think we have more chance of 'winning' one of those at this rate..... :lol::lol::lol:
 
Dante said:
The League Cup and Europa League aren't proper trophies.
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Given we’ve lost in a Europa Semi-Final & Final in consecutive seasons this is romanticised egotistical nonsense. You can’t dismiss trophies your best team have proven incapable of winning. Yes the aims should be higher but it’s abit like a Nottingham Forest fan saying Champions League or nothing at this point. City have won the League Cup god knows how many years on the bounce without it being an issue. I honestly thought people might have learnt their lessons with the free ride given under OgS, at this point the squad needs to win anything they can cause you can’t simply lose in certain competitions then buy a Ronaldo & expect to challenge for the league.

In regards to the OP, we should aim to win every competition we enter. We won’t win every competition we enter but that shouldn’t stop us competing each time we take the field.
 
I want us to fight to win the lot, always. Every trophy is worth competing for, and I don’t think you can uphold high standards without wanting perfection from every competition.
 
SAF, Jose and Pep had an excellent history of winning domestic and lesser cups and you have people saying they don't matter. Hopefully this is just a cope for our depressing situation or just the remnants of unreformed manager apologists who are in too deep to retract previous statements. Imagine thinking cups are beneath you when even the most accomplished minds of the game try to win them.
 
Right now I want us to get back to winning the premier league. That's our standard. Look at the money we spend, the size of our club. That's where we should be.

Beyond that, Champions league dominance.
 
Dante said:
The League Cup and Europa League aren't proper trophies.

CL, PL or FA Cup are the only things worth winning.
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Got news for you ….Utd won’t be winning anything, anytime soon.
 
We might fluke a CL in the near future. We should consistently finishing in the top 3 of the league. That means once every 3 year we should come real close or winning it. We should consistently make it to the Quarter final of the CL. That is the standard for a club of our size!
 
2022-23 top 4 and one of the domestic cups.

2023-24 title push (meaning still in the mix with 5 or 6 games to go). Not fussed about trophy

2024-25 PL or CL
 
The PL is the trophy that matters most to me. Not that it would be a bad season if we won the CL trophy and FA Cup, but if we won those two without winning the PL trophy there would be a sense of an opportunity missed. You build around winning the PL and accept whatever else you can pick up along the way.
 
I don’t think we can be in a position to get picky now after this baron spell. I’d take anything, damn a league cup even sounds good. That’s how far we’ve sunk. The league and CL are miles off.
 
quiet_united said:
We might fluke a CL in the near future. We should consistently finishing in the top 3 of the league. That means once every 3 year we should come real close or winning it. We should consistently make it to the Quarter final of the CL. That is the standard for a club of our size!
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Yeah, I think we should fluke at least one, Chelsea do it for fun.
 
Wilt said:
Got news for you ….Utd won’t be winning anything, anytime soon.
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I don't disagree. But the point is that even if we were to beat the other team in a Europa League final, we still wouldn't have won anything other than the match.
 
Dante said:
I don't disagree. But the point is that even if we were to beat the other team in a Europa League final, we still wouldn't have won anything other than the match.
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The vast majority of Utd supporters would disagree
 
quiet_united said:
We might fluke a CL in the near future. We should consistently finishing in the top 3 of the league. That means once every 3 year we should come real close or winning it. We should consistently make it to the Quarter final of the CL. That is the standard for a club of our size!
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I assure you, my friend.
We are not going to fluke any CL trophy in the near future.
The CL is ridiculously hard to win.
 
Dante said:
I don't disagree. But the point is that even if we were to beat the other team in a Europa League final, we still wouldn't have won anything other than the match.
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Eh?
Surely it would mean we win the EL trophy?
Or does winning the EL final no longer reward the winner with a trophy?
 
sunama said:
Eh?
Surely it would mean we win the EL trophy?
Or does winning the EL final no longer reward the winner with a trophy?
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So does the Community Shield.

Would you rather be in the last 16 of the Champions League or win the Europa League?

Because getting out of the group stages of the CL is rewarded with getting to the knockout stages and the last 16. Whereas failing to qualify from the group stages of the CL sends you to the EL because it's a loser's consolation.

So by default, winning the EL is a lesser trophy than even getting to the second round of the CL. Winning the EL is, by extension, a hollow achievement.

Don't get me wrong. I want United to win every match. But that's all the EL is to me. Another match. Not a prestigious competition that I'd be proud for us to win. Same goes for the League Cup. I would never bother to go to the Old Trafford museum to take pictures of those trinkets. And I didn't party when we last won them either. This last win against Leeds probably meant more to me.
 
PL or CL every 2-3 seasons is least we should expect given the size and resources of the club.
 
fastwalker said:
The title of this thread was originally going to be 'do you think we will ever rediscover past glories'. Realistically the answer to that question is 'no'. United are no longer the dominant force that we were and whilst it is clear that United are no where near its ceiling, even if we reach that level City, Liverpool and Chelsea are already there. Therefore I cannot see how we can be the dominant force that we once were. Not only that but within five seasons Newcastle will likely join that group.

That said, trophy-wise, what should we expect? Personally, I would settle for a Premier League title every three or maybe four years and a Champions League every seven or maybe eight years. To supplement the above, I would be happy to win one of the cups every couple of years as well. This would mean that we could expect to win a trophy of some description every couple of years. With the spending power that we have and the quality of player and manager we should be able to attract, I think that is perfectly reasonable.

But what do you think? What sort of success would you settle for in future?
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A Champions League every "seven or eight years" is completely unrealistic; we've only achieved that once in our entire history. Juve failed to win a single CL during the period when the won nine titles in a row. I don't think a PL every 3-4 years is realistic either given how strong our rivals are. If we win two Premier League title's in the next decade, I'd say that's good going. Forget about the CL; it's a knockout competition and you need the perfect combination of luck and quality to win it. If we get good enough, we might win one or two in five years, or we might have near miss after near miss for 20 years.
 
League title > Champions league to me. At least for now. Don't want to be a Gerrard's Liverpool.
 
Trophies. Well, even just Trophy, to start. I won't even be specific. Any Trophy, until it comes. Then I'll get greedy.
 
Dante said:
The League Cup and Europa League aren't proper trophies.

CL, PL or FA Cup are the only things worth winning. After that, in terms of importance, it's progress up the league that demostrates our improvement as a team to set us up for a challenge in one of those competitions further down the line.
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I disagree here, obviously PL & CL are the Cream of the crop but the EL is much more important than the FA Cup. Win the EL and you're in pot 1 for the champs, win the FA cup and you qualify for the Europa League, the only reason someone would place the FA cup over the EL its because of it's history.

Any European trophy is a good trophy (Except the conference league) and should be treated as such. I'm still unsure why it's looked down upon so much by English fans.

in my view point (not that you care but still hey-ho)

1) CL
2)Prem
3) Europa
4) FA
5) League cup
6) this would be the club world cup/ charity shield and all that extra fluff.
 
Ideally, PL and CL

Realistically, any cup trophies (FA, league cup, Europa) would do.
 
I wish we would win PL every 2 to 3 seasons, but the reality is we are lucky to win once in a decade.
 
MattJ166 said:
I disagree here, obviously PL & CL are the Cream of the crop but the EL is much more important than the FA Cup. Win the EL and you're in pot 1 for the champs, win the FA cup and you qualify for the Europa League, the only reason someone would place the FA cup over the EL its because of it's history.

Any European trophy is a good trophy (Except the conference league) and should be treated as such. I'm still unsure why it's looked down upon so much by English fans.

in my view point (not that you care but still hey-ho)

1) CL
2)Prem
3) Europa
4) FA
5) League cup
6) this would be the club world cup/ charity shield and all that extra fluff.
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You have to be bad enough to even qualify for Europa in the first place. Winning the EL is like winning a 17th place trophy for Europe. 16 other teams have already done better than you by not being in it in the first place. Do you think Crystal Palace has done better by staying mid-table for multiple seasons in the PL or has Norwich done better by winning more 'trophies' in the championship by being bad enough to get relegated?
We wouldn't parade a championship trophy at United, neither should we parade a EL trophy.

Anyway to answer OP, a single CL or PL with no other trophies in the next 2-3 seasons would already be a success in my book.
 
Every competition we enter in we should be aiming to win. Whatever it is.

Success breeds success.
 
We have to consolidate top-4 before start talking about titles. It’s a fair chance top-4 isn’t going to happen this season and then we have to wait for the next season and talk about titles after that again.

Are people ready to stop talking about titles until 24/25 :nervous: Suppose not. That’s why we probably have to live in pain a couple of years.
 
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