I could never wish for us to lose and that's what is driving me mad about this situation. You know loads of supporters are thinking the same. We will keep him in his job by not causing unrest and getting behind the team like last night, but you know deep down it is killing us as he's not good enough. I don't think the club will act unless there's unrest. Perhaps we're as far as we'll go now with the booing and the dwindling Ole related songs at the ground.
This is the first time I want us to lose
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I never want us to lose, even if it means gifting the Scousers the title. Win every match.
On second thought, if we had to lose and that meant Liverpool didn't win the league, I would think that's a fair bargain.
On second thought, if we had to lose and that meant Liverpool didn't win the league, I would think that's a fair bargain.
This is perfectly put.
Barring some completely disastrous spell, Ole wont get sacked mid-season and the Tuchel appointment (and CL win) is very much the exception and not the rule. IIRC, we sacked our manager in the middle of the season not long ago, and we had to settle for some bloke from Norway who had never managed in the top flight before
Di Matteo did with Chelsea as well.
Didn't Flick also win the Quadruple after Kovac was sacked?
Not to mention Zidane winning the CL after coming in for Benitez.
And to be fair they felt the same way when they beat Newcastle for us on the last day of the season all those years ago. They celebrated like crazy if I remember rightly.
The TV deals and matchgoing fans are the reason the club is rich. The single fan buying merch globally accounts for a combined of 10% of Manchester United annual income in the form of licensing% and sponsor deals.
Manchester Uniteds financial strength comes from its domestic efforts.
Blackburn pal...Blackburn.
I never want us to lose but I do want Solskjaer to go. It's only a matter of time until he's sacked. Last night was really papering over the cracks.
Fans want their club to be good shocker.
Can't believe we live in a world in which the fans who want the club to be successful are spoilt, entitled, toxic and the worst fans a club can have.
And yes, there're no glory hunters who are going to stuck with a club while not challenging for any important trophy for 10 years. The ones who are supporting the club now watched the club being shit for pretty damn good number of years now. They care about the club, otherwise they would have left.
So get off your high horse because you and other top reds aren't the best United fans nor are you the role modes, as shocking as that might sound to you.
As I said, United have gone large periods in their history not winning the league. Do I want them to challenge for the league? Yes. Should they be? Always.
But United fans should appreciate the current situation within the context of our history, it’s not going the way we want it to but we’ve been in much worse spots. Maybe they should even consider the context of English football where some fans from the same area as our club are grateful to even have a team to support. What they shouldn’t be doing, and I’m not on any high horse for calling them out for, is creating bratty threads stating that they want the team to lose as we’ve lost a few games and aren’t suddenly the best team going again after having not been for some years now. That is the definition of glory hunting and not “wanting the team to be successful” as we all do.
That's like saying it's fine to get relegated now because we get relegated before in the 70s. The club has been very successful for about 20 years under Fergie. There's no reason why the club fans should be content with dropping to several levels below the level we reached for a lot of years because we get relegated 50 years ago, especially when the club has the resources, quality and money to be a dominant force in the league. Not like we lack investment or top players.
For the amount of money spent into the current team, the current level, performance and results are shit.
Another thing worth mentioning about Zidane taking over mid-season, he went on to win the most points for the rest of that season than any other managers in La Liga, but they were too far behind to win it. A new manager mid-season can definitely improve a team, but I can see why some would prefer someone to come in the summer, assuming it's right at the end of this season and they have a full pre-season and transfer window.
No problem, I wanted to continue in the line of things that make no sense
Never want us to lose but is one defeat worse than this constant cycle of just-in-time results when it is as obvious as Prince Andrew’s guilt that we’re never winning a thing with this manager?
I’m not saying that. I’m taking issue with threads like this.
Spot on. It's quite telling how he keeps sidestepping your point about "fans" actively wanting the team to lose. Some people just really hate being told exactly what they are.
Best case scenario is we just win, honestly if we keep winning like we did yesterday, most people will realise it’s more because of our players than the tactical brilliance of the manager. If we win the league or CL, I won’t care if the manager is tactically not the brightest…
My fear however is that if our players play to their full potential week in week out the quality alone will make us title contenders and get us to the CL QF/SF but manager incompetence will cost us at the last hurdle.
I‘ve never wanted Ole as manager from day one, but it was vital that we won yesterday. If as seems Ole will be gone mid-season, we need to be in the CL in order to bring in a top manager and at least give him something to aim at.
off the top of my head, Zidane, Dimatteo and Flick.
"As likely"?
Take each game as it comes.
We can play sublime football, it's just the woke up with a hangover football we need to dump.
Well this post certainly showed those who need to feel superior how to do condescension properly.
In modern football you can't simply win major trophies just by having the best players regardless of the manager in charge, not when your competitors are the likes of Guardiola and Klopp.
Most unpopular thread and OP I've seen in a while here
Anyone saying they want us to lose is no true fan. No excuse. No matter what.
Pretty much what my last paragraph said.
Absolutely. Zidane is underrated, if his predecessor hadn't fecked it up he would have won 2 doubles instead of just 1.
No matter what path you take, be it the sack path or the patience path, the key ingredient for success will always be a quality manager. Sure there's a chance that the quality manager doesn't work out (aka Poch at PsG), but on the flip side there's pretty much zero chance a mediocre manager will achieve anything, no matter how much time you give him.
So Real Madrid, Bayern, Barcelona and the other big teams that change underperforming coaches for better ones that deliver titles are soulless clubs too or not the united way, cuz that's what Chelsea basically does.
So what you are basically saying is that you are satisfied with mediocre coaches at manchester united delivering nothing as long as they stay coaches in your team for a longer period than those other big teams.
No other rival will be bothered by you keeping Ole for some more years in united. Please keep supporting him and may he forever stay there as long as fergie.
But they have no issues to tell everyone that we need to spend more and more and it's not the managers fault. Apparently, it's OK to outspend everyone if you have the same manager for more than 2 years. All is forgotten and you are the most soulful club in the world. Yeah ok...
The soul of the club with the billion-dollar squad, some people really still live in the 70s.
But without e-fans, TV deals will suffer. That's why premier league is watched over the world and that's why the TV deal is the most expensive in the world.
The combination of global fans of United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea and Cit...(nevermind that one) is what making United a lot of money.
I understand the feeling. Can't deny it crossed my mind. But once they took the field, I was United, United all the way. Great comeback win. I was off the couch going mad when Ronnie headed in. We can be a bit over reactive in here. I was on the fence about Ole from day one. I welcomed him, and said something like when the euphoria and sentiment dies down, we will see. I don't think the margins are that wide between the top guys and Ole and his team, but there is a purpose to pool and city in the way things are done. Link up play is better. Against that how would Bruno or Pogba or Ronnie do in such a system? There is something sweet about OGS being one of our own, etc. etc. And it would be incredibly difficult for a Conte to work here. Look at Jose, and LVG. All that shite about the United Way. I don't know the answer. I don't like the owners. I am sad to see what happened to Newcastle, went for a haircut and came out in the bin. I dont see United winning the league with Ole. It's just impossible. Hope we beat Liverpool, in our own little cup final.
Nepotism? What do you mean?
It must be Ole's daughter, Karina who's playing for the Manchester United U21's and @ led_scholes is sick of it.
Granted, she's their star player and the FA WSL Academy League top scorer: https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...aer-daughter-karna-manchester-united-21787031
https://fulltime.thefa.com/statLead...etition=0&selectedFixtureGroupKey=1_150821351
Don't ask!
So many people on here are talking about nepotism FC and Mates FC...it's ridiculous, stupid and just smacks of people desperate to kick the club in which ever way possible.
Some on here believe that Ole is surrounding himself with his mates, and the club are only giving them jobs because they are all pals.
Or something like that.
I agree with you. If we win The PL or CL I don't care if it's Mike Bassett. Come to think of it. Mike Bassett may be a better manager than Ole?
They want our club to be good, even though they want the club to be bad. Understood. Impeccable logic and some sound as feck reasoning.
Haha… are we watching the real life sequel ?I agree with you. If we win The PL or CL I don't care if it's Mike Bassett. Come to think of it. Mike Bassett may be a better manager than Ole?
You really can't call yourself a supporter of a football club if you want that club to lose matches to further your agenda.
Under Mou I felt the same way a lot of Ole out folks do now, and was watching United out of duty rather than any actual enjoyment, but I always wanted us to win.
Under Mou I felt the same way a lot of Ole out folks do now, and was watching United out of duty rather than any actual enjoyment, but I always wanted us to win.
Never.
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