This is the first time I want us to lose

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Assuming you were facing this dilemma; we win and Liverpool wins the league or we lose and Coventry wins the league. You would all pick Liverpool as a champion?
Or you support a team in NBA that is tanking in order to take the first pick who is a player with an equal talent to MJ. If you win the last game you won't be able to take that pick. What do you prefer?
 
I watch our games to be entertained. With LVG and Mourinho, the last few months in charge I were hoping they were going to be sacked asap for the greater good of the club, as we were going nowhere, and that involves us losing a couple of games in a stint. If I think the manager is crap and totally unable to turn things around then why the hell would I cheer for a late minute winner against a club like Newcastle that does nothing but prolong the managers time in charge?
Were you not entertained last night?
 
Assuming you were facing this dilemma; we win and Liverpool wins the league or we lose and Coventry wins the league. You would all pick Liverpool as a champion?
Or you support a team in NBA that is tanking in order to take the first pick who is a player with an equal talent to MJ. If you win the last game you won't be able to take that pick. What do you prefer?
That's just a false equivalence though and clearly not comparable
 
You know I have never wanted us to lose but back in the LVG days after a loss I would think at least this would get him sacked.

I do understand the logic behind this, but I personally don't enjoy it. During game days forget about our incompetent manager just support the team
 
Dont care if we win tonight. Dont care about the so-called "true" supporters and their traditional ways. They can go support Moyes and West Ham. I' m just sick of Ole's nepotism; sick of Ole's cowardness and dull football.

I just hope that this defeat, in addition with the unavoidable defeat vs Liverpool will trigger Ole's overdue sacking. The season is still early, why throw it away by December as we did with Moyes and LVG?
Wow! I think the same way but Ole has this uncanny knack of getting himself out from a disastrous position. You might even see us beating Liverpool on Sunday because he somehow escapes these situations. I hate the way we play football.
 
I don't think Ole is the man to take us forward and have nothing but distain for the owners and Woodward's cabal of cronies, but I'll never actively want my team to lose.
 
Assuming you were facing this dilemma; we win and Liverpool wins the league or we lose and Coventry wins the league. You would all pick Liverpool as a champion?
Or you support a team in NBA that is tanking in order to take the first pick who is a player with an equal talent to MJ. If you win the last game you won't be able to take that pick. What do you prefer?

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Rhinoceroses are some of the largest remaining megafauna: all weigh at least one tonne in adulthood. They have a herbivorous diet, small brains (400–600 g) for mammals of their size, one or two horns, and a thick (1.5–5 cm), protective skin formed from layers of collagen positioned in a lattice structure. They generally eat leafy material, although their ability to ferment food in their hindgut allows them to subsist on more fibrous plant matter when necessary. Unlike other perissodactyls, the two African species of rhinoceros lack teeth at the front of their mouths; they rely instead on their lips to pluck food.

Rhinoceros are killed by some poachers for their horns, which are bought and sold on the black market, and used by people in some cultures for ornaments or traditional medicine. Although rapidly declining in many regions, East Asia as well as a few other regions were seen as the largest market for rhino horns. It was seen as a medicine in ancient China (TCM), a belief that was spread widely across to other Asian countries. By weight, rhino horns cost as much as gold on the black market, making it novel for criminal and illegal poachers. However, the horns are made of keratin, the same type of protein that makes up hair and fingernails, which have null medicinal properties, despite TCM texts saying that rhino horns were "detoxifiers". Rhino horn consumption was also related to status and wealth, with the majority of consumers being older, educated, wealthy men, or those seeking rhino horn ornaments. Demand was driven from sudden wealth, and medicinal misinformation.

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Assuming you were facing this dilemma; we win and Liverpool wins the league or we lose and Coventry wins the league. You would all pick Liverpool as a champion?
Or you support a team in NBA that is tanking in order to take the first pick who is a player with an equal talent to MJ. If you win the last game you won't be able to take that pick. What do you prefer?
Did you want Man United to struggle to qualify from their champions league group by losing last night? I find that strange and hard to believe if you genuinely support the club
 
I can understand being consoled by the increased likelihood of a fresh start with a new manager as the silver lining to a series of bad results. I felt it myself during Mourinho/LVG/Moyes' last few games. I think every fan does when their manager isnt performing to the standards expected by their club.

What I dont understand is wanting the team to lose before such a crucial game. As a fan, how can you want the club to fail to qualify for the knockout stages of the Champion's League? We would be bottom of the group if we had lost, and to actually want that for the club before the game is even played is something I cant imagine myself ever feeling.
 
Isn't asking for someone to get baned like a player waving an imaginary red card?

I know what I think of a player when I see them doing that
 
Sorry but the glory hunting e-reds are the reason we can afford to pay Ronaldo and assemble a billion pound squad.
Without the foreign fan base United couldn't compete.
Not really a problem with the foreign fanbase or those who can’t attend matches. The problem is those who want United to be like what Chelsea are, a soulless club binning managers for boom-bust success to appease plastic fans.
 
Nothing new though. The same thing was said by posters during Moyes, LVG and Jose. There were way too many posters during Jose's time who wanted us to lose. Hope those posters are not expressing shock and disbelief now :)

Personally, it is impossible for me to watch a United game and hope we lose. Just not possible. Even if I know that a dreadful manager is going to get fired with one loss, it is simply not possible to see our players lose and be happy about it.
 
Unfortunately this place is littered with glory hunting e-reds who have no idea what it’s all about.

Imagine actually believing United still have glory hunters fans when we're approaching a decade of being shit and not challenging for any major trophy. Any glory hunters are already gone mate.
 
Assuming you were facing this dilemma; we win and Liverpool wins the league or we lose and Coventry wins the league. You would all pick Liverpool as a champion?
Or you support a team in NBA that is tanking in order to take the first pick who is a player with an equal talent to MJ. If you win the last game you won't be able to take that pick. What do you prefer?
I be thinking where did my life go so wrong that Im watching lanky boys netball instead of a Utd match.
 
Unfortunately this place is littered with glory hunting e-reds who have no idea what it’s all about.
Another pathetic jibe from yet another self-proclaimed Top Red. I love reading all these desperate, blanket insults from supporters who can't see past their noses but need to feel superior to other people for some reason. All getting butthurt when people have differing opinions and different ways of thinking. As if anyone is any better than anyone else on this forum. We're all just a bunch of nobodies sitting at our keyboards on an online forum. Guess what, there is such a thing as taking a step back to take two steps forwards. Adapting to improve. Changing for the better. Clearly something Ole and his cult don't understand considering we've served up the same repeated shit football over the past 3 years and there are still people lapping it up like we are one step away from becoming prime Barca.
 
It is for me since I have never felt this way about the team before. I know it won't go down well and if the mods feel that we have too many Ole out threads, I m OK if they want to delete it.
Where was this same energy for Mourinho? Too many weirdo glory hunters on this forum.
 
Unfortunately this place is littered with glory hunting e-reds who have no idea what it’s all about.
Such a preposterous comment. The so called e-reds play a major role in the club being the global behemoth it is. The so called e-reds sacrifice sleep to watch Utd in action when matches are in odd times of the day in their timezone. Just because one isn't in a position to go to OT everyday, doesn't make them any less of a fan.
 
Salah dragged Klopp all the time.

Seriously how many individual goals Salah has scored this season? Out of nothing.

Individual brilliance is common in top teams.

But Liverpool has won stuff with both Salah and Klopp.
 
Not really a problem with the foreign fanbase or those who can’t attend matches. The problem is those who want United to be like what Chelsea are, a soulless club binning managers for boom-bust success to appease plastic fans.

Or similarly people who want to make United the Liverpool of the 90s. But ironic to mention boom-bust success, since Ole's strategy is pay more and pay big for success. So maybe keep your judgements to those who support this quasi-galactic approach.
 
It’s a tricky one really. We obviously wanna win every game but we do need a new manager to take us to the next level… if ole gets top 4 will his job be safe? Most likely. I want us to get top 4 but still change the manager unless ole actually wins a trophy this season, otherwise who will want to manage us if we’re in the Europa league and can’t attract the best players and our current players will wanna leave.
 
Another pathetic jibe from yet another self-proclaimed Top Red. I love reading all these desperate, blanket insults from supporters who can't see past their noses but need to feel superior to other people for some reason. All getting butthurt when people have differing opinions and different ways of thinking. As if anyone is any better than anyone else on this forum. We're all just a bunch of nobodies sitting at our keyboards on an online forum. Guess what, there is such a thing as taking a step back to take two steps forwards. Adapting to improve. Changing for the better. Clearly something Ole and his cult don't understand considering we've served up the same repeated shit football over the past 3 years and there are still people lapping it up like we are one step away from becoming prime Barca.

:rolleyes:
 
Imagine actually believing United still have glory hunters fans when we're approaching a decade of being shit and not challenging for any major trophy. Any glory hunters are already gone mate.
That’s exactly the problem. If you think United have been shit this decade look at the 70’s and 80’s. We have a generation of spoilt fans who think we have some kind of divine right to dominate, and if the current manager isn’t delivering it right now, they apparently want us to lose matches to see him go. The epitome of glory hunting I’d say.
 
By the way if anyone was hoping for a Tuchel situation (which is incredibly rare by the way), now's not the time to hope for a loss. You hope we at least qualify from the group and then hope for his sacking, leaving his successor with time to prep for the knockout stages. You don't hope we lose a game that's crucial to entering the knockouts!!
 
By the way if anyone was hoping for a Tuchel situation (which is incredibly rare by the way), now's not the time to hope for a loss. You hope we at least qualify from the group and then hope for his sacking, leaving his successor with time to prep for the knockout stages. You don't hope we lose a game that's crucial to entering the knockouts!!
Exactly we still need the points even if we get a new manager.
 
If I'm given two choices:

a) No trophies and inconsistent football, sprinkled with wins which save Ole's job time and again, up until the squad is too old and broken up needs another rebuild.

b) A few straight up losses that force the board to sack the manager, and then we hire someone who wins us the CL this season.

I'd take the latter 10 times out of 10.

Now of course you'd say that's a very unlikely scenario, there's no guarantees, every managerial hiring is a risk, etc. Which is all true. But I'd rather take that risk and try to succeed, than settle for almost guaranteed mediocrity due to fear of change.

In short, I see where you're coming from OP. And honestly, it's not your fault. It's the way the board operates and views football that's forcing you to think this way.
 
If I'm given two choices:

a) No trophies and inconsistent football, sprinkled with wins which save Ole's job time and again, up until the squad is too old and broken up needs another rebuild.

b) A few straight up losses that force the board to sack the manager, and then we hire someone who wins us the CL this season.

I'd take the latter 10 times out of 10.

Now of course you'd say that's a very unlikely scenario, there's no guarantees, every managerial hiring is a risk, etc. Which is all true. But I'd rather take that risk and try to succeed, than settle for almost guaranteed mediocrity due to fear of change.

In short, I see where you're coming from OP. And honestly, it's not your fault. It's the way the board operates and views football that's forcing you to think this way.
How are you winning the CL if you're losing games and crucial points that are needed to advance?
 
A lot of deluded fans are going to be misled by Tuchel's exploits, thinking a quick fire/hire will massively increase chances of doing a smash and grab in the CL the same season.

Spoiler alert, it's way more likely you'll end up trophyless that same season.

Do your chances go up compared to keeping Ole? Most likely yes. Enough to clamor for hoping your team gets smashed the next few games? Sounds silly to me.
 
A lot of deluded fans are going to be misled by Tuchel's exploits, thinking a quick fire/hire will massively increase chances of doing a smash and grab in the CL the same season.

Spoiler alert, it's way more likely you'll end up trophyless that same season.
I doubt anyone's expecting a CL win from a new hire. After all, Tuchel himself was initially given a very short contract. The Chelsea board was probably like, feck it, might as well try. Low risk for potentially high reward.

Some are just more comfortable than others with risking it and playing that numbers game. The fact that the Utd board is on the opposite end of the spectrum is the problem, which leads to such despair as you see in the OP.
 
Aside from Tuchel, how many times a manager took over mid season and won major trophies?

Just want to know. Seems like this is the answer for many "fans".
 
Such a preposterous comment. The so called e-reds play a major role in the club being the global behemoth it is. The so called e-reds sacrifice sleep to watch Utd in action when matches are in odd times of the day in their timezone. Just because one isn't in a position to go to OT everyday, doesn't make them any less of a fan.
You’re missing the them wanting United to lose part.
 
Well cry is free...bet you cried enough yesterday when we turned up winning afterall. Sore loser
 
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