Ronaldo is moving to get the ball and get involved because we are shit at progressing it forward. He’s the least of our problems.
The media-pedalled notion that we should drop Ronaldo
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It's because Watford are feeling no pressure from the top, they are picking and chooses the passes like every other team did and cutting through us because as soon as Ronaldo is doing nothing, Bruno is all over the place leaving a 2 man midfield for the whole of Watford to target.
WTF why has this thread been bumped? 
I’ve not said anything about Ronaldo at all really I don’t think? The whole team has been shocking and your pining the blame firmly on one player. While someone like Bruno looks pissed and has been a liability. One pass aside.Your obsession with Ronaldo is bizarre.
You literally blame every single player except the player who doesn't do anything.
He doesn't doesn't stay centrally. Not a problem to you. He is seen on the left.
He is seen with no pressing, with a cigar in his mouth. Nothing from you.
The opposition counter attack starts and he is on the other side of the pitch.
No passing. No interlinking.
Just crap all and I'M the one with the obsession
You just see absolutely nothing wrong with him just because he can score a goal, just a poacher and nothing else anymore.
No idea. Absolutely ridiculous take on that half of football.WTF why has this thread been bumped?
And tell me what Ronaldo has done? Has he made a pass? Has he made a run? Has he held the ball at all? Has he pressed?
Literally he will score and I don't doubt his ability for this but this is Ruud Van Nistlerooy in front of a different type of football players in Rashford, Sancho and Bruno fernandes.
On the bolded, Bruno needs reigning in, or dropping for a midfield three so we can FINALLY gain some fecking controller possession (we haven’t had that all season.)
Ronaldo needs to be told to play centrally, he’s drifting to get involved and rotate with Rashford.
Again though, he’s the least of the issues really. We need to play cohesive football and get up the pitch before we start blaming him as the primary issue.
Tell me what anybody has done. It’s been a shambles. But this is really about your obsession with Bruno and trying to blame his terrible performances on Ronaldo
Martial has come on as a striker and Ronaldo has gone to LW.
Right,
so his inability to do things upfront byhimself has been seen because he was never a Striker. He was a inverted LW and that's his best position. Now he will be better.
Right,
so his inability to do things upfront byhimself has been seen because he was never a Striker. He was a inverted LW and that's his best position. Now he will be better.
WTF why has this thread been bumped?
One of Oles last remaining soldiers.
The LW is different to the striker. It's his most natural position he played in his prime.
He is now playing LW with Martial in the middle.
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Lovely performance. Chances missed, can't even stay onside anymore when it matters even though he is saving his breath by not running to make a press or defend at all. No hold up play.
Only time he was useful was when Martial was central and Ronaldo moved back to his natural LW position and headed an assist.
Enjoy!!
If people think United will be better without Ronaldo, they should just re-watch tonight's cup tie with Villa. If he's the problem then you have to ask what the hell is the question.
At least we have some kind of fear factor when his name is on the team line up. Cant see what other player any team would be worried about,
Those rats leaking stories got their wishes tonight and failed the audition. We looked toothless up top.
Generally poor from all concerned. I'd go with Cavani and CR7 this weekend.
Generally poor from all concerned. I'd go with Cavani and CR7 this weekend.
Please start with Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho as front three next game. That's what the fans want.
We were pretty average tonight, but still more watchable than with Ronaldo.
It's an agenda people have bought into and now it's too late to get out of it without looking dumb.
We were STILL rotten without him.
He's the best #9 we have at the club, he's levels above Cavani and Greenwood as a CF.
He's the best #9 we have at the club, he's levels above Cavani and Greenwood as a CF.
Lads if tonight showed anything it's that it's not about any one player. One way or another. We were awful but at no point was it screaming for Ronaldo.
We're shit with and without him. He's still a major problem
I think overall Ronaldo's performances have been poor, even though he's still scored at a good rate, so it's not even like I'm passionately defending him.
But he's clearly not the big issue with the team, and if he had played tonight he'd have at least attempted to get to that rebound from the Greenwood shot.
Unlike Rashford who didn't give a shit.
But he's clearly not the big issue with the team, and if he had played tonight he'd have at least attempted to get to that rebound from the Greenwood shot.
Unlike Rashford who didn't give a shit.
I don't want to see two up top in a 442 or 4222.
If we are to play 4222 put Bruno at CF with Ronaldo but give him a bit of a free role. He's wasted in the CM or AM/Winger roles.
Anyone with half a brain could see he wasn't the problem. The complete inability to control a game, work rate of the ball, pass the ball, build from the back etc are the big issues.
I would very happily sign a first-choice CF in the summer, switch to a single striker formation and bench/ditch Ronaldo.
But as it stands I don't see what alternative to Ronaldo we have who we could confidently say would improve the side either. If others were playing well and putting his place under pressure then absolutely opt for them, but they're not.
But as it stands I don't see what alternative to Ronaldo we have who we could confidently say would improve the side either. If others were playing well and putting his place under pressure then absolutely opt for them, but they're not.
Well, he is taking all the goals from the rest of the team apparently. But it is more like the rest of teams can't score and he is someone who does decently with his chances.
I mean you could flip it like that this season at times.
I mean you could flip it like that this season at times.
People who think taking out Ronaldo improves the rest of the team = the same people who thought if Ole had a world class DM, everything would be okay.
It doesn't fit the narrative that he missed lots of chances provided by the team, he doesn't press thus hold back the team blah blah blah. Of course he shot 99 times in a game and takes all the goals away from rashford, sancho and greenwood.
ha ha, so true.
The club is rotten. We dont have the technicallity to control games. Compare ronaldos mf at Madrid where they would just dominate the play to ours. Chalk and cheese.
It's a red herring, the team behind him hasn't been functioning all season. He came here sharp and was delivering on scraps and kept our sorry "team" in the CL.
I do think he's gassed a bit. He's not been right since he made that long run at the end of a game recently and tightened up. Really did overdo it for a so called player that doesn't do anything. Would be good actually if he didn't run the length of the pitch at full pelt in the last few minutes. So yes at this moment he needs to play less and recover but this madness of some lack of pressures is so silly and our game is falling apart because of it. No Ronaldo tonight yet we get dominated by Villa at home and play as poor as ever, the team is playing so poorly throughout and has been for a long while. You'd also expect a reaction from what's gone on the last two weeks but not even that.
A central striker will get bypassed most of the time, it's up to the rest to really press and provide and actually in many matches he has tried and even dropping back. I was at the Villa league match we lost one nil, he was the only one trying to fight back and win headers and lead by example as he could see no one was trying behind him.
If he's done anything it's probably off the pitch and upset a few players in their comfort zone or upset a clique. The Madrid team worked hard to provide him the goals, they didn't get upset at his mega wages or big head speeches. He's still one of the best finishers in the game, our sorry bunch of players should be thrilled to have him and go one better. People forget how little Martial or Rashford did up top and fluff so many chances while not pressing. Suddenly it's all Ronaldo's fault yet the whole team is awful this season. I hope the media narrative early on this season of Ronadlo's lack of press/pressures which is probably driven by some of them upset Ronnie didn't end up at City has not go into the heads of our players. It really should make you respect the Madrid teams that were often said to be carried by Ronaldo when really it's a two way street.
I do think he's gassed a bit. He's not been right since he made that long run at the end of a game recently and tightened up. Really did overdo it for a so called player that doesn't do anything. Would be good actually if he didn't run the length of the pitch at full pelt in the last few minutes. So yes at this moment he needs to play less and recover but this madness of some lack of pressures is so silly and our game is falling apart because of it. No Ronaldo tonight yet we get dominated by Villa at home and play as poor as ever, the team is playing so poorly throughout and has been for a long while. You'd also expect a reaction from what's gone on the last two weeks but not even that.
A central striker will get bypassed most of the time, it's up to the rest to really press and provide and actually in many matches he has tried and even dropping back. I was at the Villa league match we lost one nil, he was the only one trying to fight back and win headers and lead by example as he could see no one was trying behind him.
If he's done anything it's probably off the pitch and upset a few players in their comfort zone or upset a clique. The Madrid team worked hard to provide him the goals, they didn't get upset at his mega wages or big head speeches. He's still one of the best finishers in the game, our sorry bunch of players should be thrilled to have him and go one better. People forget how little Martial or Rashford did up top and fluff so many chances while not pressing. Suddenly it's all Ronaldo's fault yet the whole team is awful this season. I hope the media narrative early on this season of Ronadlo's lack of press/pressures which is probably driven by some of them upset Ronnie didn't end up at City has not go into the heads of our players. It really should make you respect the Madrid teams that were often said to be carried by Ronaldo when really it's a two way street.
I preferred it tonight without Ronaldo.
More closing down of defenders.
The first 30 mins was about as good as we've played this season.
Shame about the other 60 but something to take into the next game atleast.
More closing down of defenders.
The first 30 mins was about as good as we've played this season.
Shame about the other 60 but something to take into the next game atleast.
right now it’s cavani or ronaldo for me, not both.
they cannot play together unless we’re easily dominating the match
they cannot play together unless we’re easily dominating the match
Yep. Cavani it is.
A rested Ronaldo might be abit better but I don't want to see two mid to late 30s strikers playing together.
We need legs and speed more.
Even less of a goal threat without him. He should start in my opinion, he's not the problem.
Yup, it's a team wide issue, there is no one or two players at fault. Our defense still has issues, our midfield is easy to bypass and our entire forward line is struggling.
We're back to De Gea being player of the season.
There are many, many issues,apart from Ronaldo' case both on and off the pitch
Come next summer we will start, like, the third-fourth rebuilding in the last 7-8 years and it seems we haven't progressed at all
We've spent a lot in the last couple of years, and we haven't improved much. Plus, some younger players we were hoping that by this time will have become our vital players are today either totally out of the picture or are simply stagnating
Come next summer we will start, like, the third-fourth rebuilding in the last 7-8 years and it seems we haven't progressed at all
We've spent a lot in the last couple of years, and we haven't improved much. Plus, some younger players we were hoping that by this time will have become our vital players are today either totally out of the picture or are simply stagnating