Just says that our coaching staff is as clueless as us - some random internet posters .
The Athletic: "Man Utd coaches trying Jadon Sancho as RWB"
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Agree with this too.
Another terrible idea. Just because he can tackle people think he'd make a good CB.
What's next ? Cavani at CM cos he runs a lot ?
So we chase a player for two seasons, pay over 70 mill for him and don't know how to fecking use him.
We're such a well run club.
We're such a well run club.
At least he's back "home". 
You just have to laugh
thankfully Ole won't be around much longer, then we can truly start seeing the lad perform like know he can.Please don't be true...
I can't take much more
I can't take much more
This wouldn't be an issue if only Wan-Bissaka wasn't so goddamn crap.
You just have to laugh
Agreed man. Desperate for him to show what he can do.
Thanfully our CB's are slightly better than Blackett and Mcnair these days. Just about anyway.
Get Haaland and play him as a CB?
A wing-back has to cover for any eventuality on the outside of him and he's all alone in doing so - they have to be fast and practically indefatigable, and if not fast, absolute masters of positional play and defensive awareness.
Isolating and doubling up on wing-backs is par for the course and they have to establish themselves as dominant forces before they really get to open up and express themselves offensively. Sancho hasn't got great stamina, I'd barely call it average, but for the roles and way he is supposed to be utilised, what he does have is perfectly fine, especially so given he can suppress or occupy a flank in the attacking sense all by himself and take breathers between his basic combination plays and the times he does choose to up the pace and break into the sprints he wants to make - you don't get to choose when you're sprinting as a wing-back and it's a basic part of the job description.
There are some players who are wingers or attackers that you can see the logic in trying as wing-backs if you're feeling particularly wacky - someone like Daniel James, for example, but there are others it's just a stupid idea from the outset that will cause more harm than good - Sancho's only second to Mata in our entire attack as it being the dumbest position to put them in and expect anything but a catastrophe, I would say. Even a 36-year-old Ronaldo would make more sense.
Ole and co have no credit in the bank to try this, even a Pep, Bielsa or going back some years: a Zeman, would find a smarter fit (Rashford, I'd bet) if they wanted a wing-back from the selection of attackers we have.
Our staff have got a lot wrong this season, but this one is absolutely criminal, and I sincerely hope it's not true.
Ronaldo’s great in the air, pair him up with Varane.
I thought it's well known that Sancho works best with super attacking full-back (Hakimi, Guerreiro), that's one of a reason he's kinda struggling right now as Shaw is in the worst form of his life and Wan-Bissaka is Wan Bissaka. Yet the solution is just train him as wing-back???
To be fair, Blanc was initially a prolific attacker. So Ronaldo has a good chance to be a world class CB.
I don't think Sancho is looking forward to humiliating himself in a role he is a terrible fit for. He's already short on confidence, being used sparingly and desperate to impress - imagine what it'd do to his confidence to be put out there as a deer in headlights with the opposition specifically targeting him all game long knowing full well he is no wing-back and is highly likely to make errors in the role.
Let him become the player who helps him best
I thought it's well known that Sancho works best with super attacking full-back (Hakimi, Guerreiro), that's one of a reason he's kinda struggling right now as Shaw is in the worst form of his life and Wan-Bissaka is Wan Bissaka. Yet the solution is just train him as wing-back???
I am in the wrong profession. Looks like being a coach/manager is quite easy. Just throw a lot of shit and see what sticks!
I know everything is awful at the moment but I’m surprised by the outcry over this, especially from the same ‘Caf that wanted Fred at LB and Linda Love and Jonah at DM. It’s all the more baffling given the fact that the collective opinion is AWB is now clearly the worst RB and we should have bought anybody else.
It’s an interesting idea to get some extra attacking output from the right when we play with 3 at the back, something that Aaron is criticised for. Jadon bombing forward down the right, and Shawberto or Telles bombing from the left supplying Cavani and Ronnie sounds quite good to me.
It’s an interesting idea to get some extra attacking output from the right when we play with 3 at the back, something that Aaron is criticised for. Jadon bombing forward down the right, and Shawberto or Telles bombing from the left supplying Cavani and Ronnie sounds quite good to me.
And train Wan Bissaka as a winger to help him become the Sancho we actually need
Not gonna lie, each passing day watching Ole is like watching FM simulation in real life
feck’s sake
Was this meant to be a leak to get us all excited for what Ole has planned?
"Why don't you do this thing?! Clueless PE teachers!"
*does this thing*
"Why did you do this thing?! Clueless PE teachers!"
On the bright side, perhaps making too many disastrous decisions in a short span of time will force a sacking.
"world class coaching staff"...........OLE's words not mine.
It could be made to work I think.
Throwing enough shit on the wall hoping that some of it sticks.
" Murtough was appointed the club's first Football Director in March, to work alongside our former midfielder Darren Fletcher as Technical Director, and the pair were charged with ensuring the right structures, processes and culture are in place to deliver winning football. "
If the club had spent on 70m for a winger only to move him to wingback then its evident that our structures, processes and culture are all over the place. Also note that there's hardly any winning football being played lately. The team look lost and our manager and coaches are clueless
“Squad development is never-ending and constantly evolving. We're sitting down with Ole and we're talking about future plans in terms of where the squad will go and how we think it will develop.
“We want to balance squads with the right profile in terms of positions and in terms of age. The current squad has good balance with young, exciting players coming through, and those in the middle in the prime of their careers. And then you've the more experienced group – we can learn a lot from them, and they’re already having an impact on some of the younger players."
Thus both Fletcher and Murtough were probably involved in developing Sancho being moved from his natural role to wingback. I can't see any balance squad with the right profile in terms of positions being made. We have far too many attacking minded players and no DM
Here’s a crazy idea, just bare with me for a second why don’t we just play a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 properly were all or players you know stay in position and play what resembles a coached team, instead of a 4-2-4 and just say feck it won’t work 5 at the back..
343 can actually work, I was peering at Conte's Chelsea side and see most of our big players be suited for this system on paper.
Sancho would be in the Pedro role though, not the Moses one! Rashford in the Hazard role, Ronaldo in Costa's obviously, and Bruno a bit deeper but still very able to have creative play and runs from midfield like Fabregas did.
Yeah, but buying Sancho was the right thing to do. It is how he is being used thereafter that is the problem all of the transfer moves have merit to them. I don't beleive for a second that the transfer of Jadon Sancho has been authorised on the basis that he can be developed as a wing-back, it is something that Ole is having to do because he is incapable of getting a tune out of almost a billion £'s worth of footballers in his desired formation.
For all we know a lot of the rumblings about getting rid of Ole are coming from inside the club (I.E Murtough and Fletcher).
Given how little time they have been at the club I don't think any of what we are going through now can be attributed to them, that goes for both the positives (transfer business) and the negatives (Ole)
Oh come off it. Is Conte our coach and is he doing this? So stop with your hypothetical wisecracks. However, if that was a case of a new manager coming in and doing this, you could actually give them a "you can only use what you're dealt". Ole chased him for 2 years to solve our RW issues and now doesn't even know how to utilize him or half the squad for that matter.
We have no one to play the Moses role though. AWB doesn't cut it going forward.
Yes I think his role and of course the 6 will need to be upgraded upon, but broadly speaking its a good system suited to get the best of our big players. So is a 4321 or 433 provided the coach is right.
I think it's slightly different circumstances, the two players you mention are in their mid-late twenties and if they're not performing in a role, other options need to be explored. If I was Sancho I'd be putting in a transfer request if I'm honest. He's not come here to be a RWB and I bet his transfer wasn't agreed on the premise he'd be made into one. He's 21 learning his prefered and natural position and the last thing he needs is for his development to be messed around with and for his progression to be dented because of our faliures in other areas of the pitch.
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Was this meant to be a leak to get us all excited for what Ole has planned?
It does smack a bit of when someone new to a field tries something ‘new’ because it ‘feels creative’ and therefore it must be original and useful because no one else is doing it.
Like when someone new to cooking half-jokingly suggests using Kool-aid powder in a recipe, or crushed Oreos on a pizza.
He could play until he’s 60.
And still be faster, more agile than Harry fecking Maguire.
I very much doubt with this coaching staff we would get it to work and even with Conte it didn’t last that long.
What I’m suggesting is we play an actual formation the players are used to without throwing the baby out with the bath water because of a formation that was just mental to say the least, a few tweaks rather than a full system overthrow but coaches who let’s face it are very inexperienced.
Jadon Sancho is not a wing back. You only need to watch him for 5 minutes to know that. I’ve witnessed him backing out of tackles a few times this season. He’s an outstanding attacking talent who needs a run of games in the forward areas. I have absolutely no doubt that he can play in any of the 3 attacking positions in a 3-4-1-2. Just give the man a run of games and we will reap the rewards.