But let’s face it @JPRouve , Ole doesn’t have the minerals to ever try something as daring as that… he’s way too pragmatic.
The Athletic: "Man Utd coaches trying Jadon Sancho as RWB"
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On paper - could work.
Even in RL it could work.
One thing only - it takes a lot of WORK.
Maybe. It's just when you follow his logic, it's just so basic and easy to pull apart.
Imagine if you're Pep Guardiola or a top scout and you're analysing what we do or are likely to do when they play us. It probably takes about 5 minutes to come up with a gameplan and you can just read it all like a book.
For example against City, I was at the game and literally before the first kick off I pointed to the way they had set out with 2 players right out wide against Shaw and said "that's going to be a problem". They killed us from the first whistle by pinning our outlet, our wingbacks, in their own third of the pitch. They killed the 5 at the back and nobody reacted until the injury.
Guardiola would most likely never play Bernardo Silva as a left wide attacker. Hard to imagine he'd do this with Mahrez. Those two players are more similar to Sancho than Foden, sané or Gabriel Jesus. Pep would obviously play Sancho centrally and not have him as a player providing width.
@Judas we have been absolutely obsessed about getting this lad, finally buzzing to actually land him...
for us to hardly play him on the right side at all and now this.
I mean...feck.
for us to hardly play him on the right side at all and now this.
I mean...feck.
So all this planning was for nothing.
I feel that they're happy to experiment with any position other than the obvious broken one, midfield. Why not try maybe other players there? The way we're playing I'd have no issue sending Bailly or Telles, or God forbid VDB.
None of this will resolve the glaring issue anyway, amateurs running the club.
I feel that they're happy to experiment with any position other than the obvious broken one, midfield. Why not try maybe other players there? The way we're playing I'd have no issue sending Bailly or Telles, or God forbid VDB.
None of this will resolve the glaring issue anyway, amateurs running the club.
Jeez that's a depressing read and even more so when you realize we've spent a lot on 2 players (Sancho & Wan Bissaka) that we brought in to improve our first 11 and now neither of them work in this formation. Madness.
Yes I think it’s been noticeable for a long while he doesn’t even understand what is playing out in front of his eyes. He just sits and watches in silence and whether we’re playing well or badly - or who is playing well or badly - had absolutely no impact on substitutions or tactical changes. I’ve thought for a long time that he thinks winning and the ‘United way’ is something that should just happen but lacks the ability to make it happen.
That’s why he just talks in clichés and each week the team look as if they’ve just taken the last seven days off.
If they’re doing anything in training other than running around cones I’ll be pleasantly surprised
Can't have Ronaldo in a pressing time for starters. Fred can probably defend vs a winger but I doubt Vdb can. Can probably play Shaw in place of Fred, given he's got good passing and link up play to step into midfield when needed.
You could have just ended it there.
That's the sad fact about it.
But! I'll give it to Ole - he sure doesn't give up! I have no trouble in him trying different approaches.
The matter of fact is - doing things the same way again and again and expecting different results is lunacy. So, he's gonna try lunacy
I don’t know to be fair, either.
Yes, him. So what?
The point is that if 3-5-2 was a real plan (and not just Ole throwing stuff at the wall) then he’d likely have been a better option than AWB and Sancho. Not that that’s saying much.
It only works if you have Bielsa as a manager and even then you will get destroyed from time to time. You also need 25 players, there is too much running for a single starting eleven, you have to rotate players endlessly.
Yep. This was the summer signing for me and have been looking forward to seeing him here and perform but, well, what the feck has happened ?
How does this rank on Stuart Pearce's scale of batshit crazy things incompetent managers have done?
Sancho wouldn't be a wing-back in a Pep system - it would be a player taking up an optimal position to probe at the opposition before breaking rank from it to play a pseudo role elsewhere in the attack as the build-up intensified. Pep would never put a player like Sancho on tracks in a strict wing-back role; our staff can't even get a tune out of players in conventional roles, so heaven knows how badly they'd mistreat someone like Sancho having carted him off to the outskirts of the pitch.
He isn't fast, he isn't strong, he doesn't have the stamina nor the defensive awareness to play as a wing-back, and any side in the PL will rightfully target, and spit-roast him if we're stupid enough to field him in the role, which would do wonders for his confidence in what is turning out to be a horror move under a manager who has no idea how to use him and will have then further compounded it with this masterstroke.
At least Di Maria was a fecking attacker. This is lunacy if it's true.
Yawn, more bollocks. "We have to change things", "We're working hard to turn things around", blah, blah, blah. Firstly - this isn't happening anyway - you can't just flip a switch and turn a winger into a wing back. Secondly, only our club would take one of the best attacking talents in world football and consider turning them into Antonio Valencia 2.0. Thirdly, don't be distracted from the real issues at the club by BS stories like this. Expect to hear similarly stupid things over the rest of the international break to try to draw attention away from the fact that we're run by a pack of idiots who are hanging a club legend out to dry.
Not surprising. But really desparate I must say.
Has to be a leak. Last days for Ole if players are leaking this.
Have they considered coaching CR7 to replace Varane as CB?
No words for how bad this is. I don’t know how the club can just do nothing like this is all ok, it’s a complete shambles. It’s embarrassing. Nobody at the club seems to have any idea what they’re doing.
Yep. This was the summer signing for me and have been looking forward to seeing him here and perform but, well, what the feck has happened ?
No idea mate. I'm at a complete loss as to why he hasn't played more. Crazy.
Slightly worrying that Solskjaer, Carrick and McKenna seem to be lifting their tactical plan from RedCafe, but hey, glad I could help
Wan Bissaka could probably play in a back three
If it's true, you'd think a horrified Sancho is leaking it himself!
Well not that it’ll matter as Joel Glazer doesn’t know his arse from his elbow.
I have been Ole out for a while and voted Ole out even last year. Shifting formations several times in a match and putting Sancho on RB shows Ole is thinking outside of the box, this is what I want in a manager, constant evolution. I am Ole in now as I suspect a lot of other people will be on hearing this news.
Wouldn't be surprised If they are trying to retrain Fred into being a goalkeeper too.
I highly doubt it. A back 3 means some ball playing CBs at least. If you look at all the teams using this formation, the 2 wide CBs are comfortable on the ball and AWB is...
Agree.
There are more suited players even in our team to play that position.
I'm just commenting on the article, and giving it a opposite (positive?) approach.
Well, to be fair, if used correctly, he doesn't have to be fast or strong, he just needs to be wide.
Pretty obvious, we’ve been struggling in every game so Ole has just reverted to what worked last season, only with Ronaldo, because he can’t drop Ronaldo. Sancho will only play if he starts winning games for us, which is a tall ask considering how dysfunctional we are now.
I'm not convinced, you're losing his best attribute which is his 1v1 defending. He's heading ability has never stood out to me and certainly one of his biggest weaknesses is his position which could be very costly as a center back, even in a three.
To be honest, if i were him i'd be happy to play.
Think Sancho is a system player. When played in a specific system with a lot of moving parts — he’ll look sensational as he did for Dortmund.
When he’s told to go out there and “just enjoy himself” without any clear tactics instruction — well we’ve seen what happens.
It’s almost certainly Sancho’s camp. No way anyone in a right mind would leak this in hope that it’s seen as some sort of a positive.
Can we please stop this nonsense. He would be a horrible CB with no positional sense and weak in the air. All he can do is a sliding tackle which won't be useful always , when you are a CB.
50m down the drain. Just sign Livramento in Jan.
That's the problem, giving players 10 or 20 minutes at a time saying 'rescue us' doesn't work. Then he doesn't see the following game because he didn't have a direct effect on the outcome. Fecking Michael Owen said it, sometimes you need to go through a bit of pain trying a player in a position and let them settle and learn the role and the team. Benching them almost immediately is pointless, they will sit for months on the bench in that case. See VdB, Sancho, Telles, and loads more. We are hopeless the now, at least fecking try something different. Fed up of how clueless we look.
When we were first 'linked' with Conte I actually thought I can see Jesse playing as a rwb in a Conte system. Sancho though, I just can't see it being anything other than a disaster.
Nah he couldn’t. He’s awful positionally.