Of course i didn't mean no defensive duties. It's Jose we're talking about. Everybody played defense.
What i was reffering to, was the attacking part of the so called RWB in that system.
Jadon could easily play that in a 3241.
The Athletic: "Man Utd coaches trying Jadon Sancho as RWB"
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Of course i didn't mean no defensive duties. It's Jose we're talking about. Everybody played defense.
What i was reffering to, was the attacking part of the so called RWB in that system.
Jadon could easily play that in a 3241.
No doubt another sign of incoherence, but frankly so is leaving out your marque signing entirely. We all know it isn't working with Sancho, so why not give this a go. I'd rather have him on the pitch than not. The only trouble will be if it causes him to lose confidence or become overly defensive/ risk-averse, but hopefully they can try it and assess.
Exactly. How is that hard to see? It’s a total non starter.
Can’t be true surely. He is not that clueless.
If somehow it is true, the “pe teacher” insult becomes a compliment. Because they would know better.
If somehow it is true, the “pe teacher” insult becomes a compliment. Because they would know better.
Don't even joke about this.
Sure.. Next try Ronaldo as a CB to cover for Maguire since his heading is good.
Next level straw clutchery.
Apparently Sancho been told to try it out on his own during his few days off
wouldn’t be surprised
wouldn’t be surprised
Yup, with the CMs being taught how to cover the entire width of the pitch and also slot in as CBs when the wide CBs are stretched. It's a sight to behold and looks like sorcery even when you consider that Bielsa is the one teaching it.
At this point I just want to see some Zeman/Bielsa tactical lunacy.
He’ll probably do a job considering it’s Ronaldo and he can’t have being shown up on the pitch.
Where did this obsession with the 352 come from anyway ? It works if you have the players for but we really don't. One injury to a CB and it's basically done
I do think James at FB/WB is something we wouldve seen this season if everything had gone as Ole originally planned (no Ronaldo, Sancho RW, Greenwood striker)
Desperation after the current system has failed.
Just because they look at something in training doesn't mean they are definitely going to do it, considering they have obviously been working on 5-3-2/ 3-5-2 recently its no surprise that they have looked at it as an option.
Personally think we should play 4-3-3 with a single number 6 and two slightly wide number 8's. Play sancho as a wide 10 then a number 9 and a wide forward looking to break the lines.
Always find with 5-3-2 that you can struggle to exert control against good sides not enough forward passing options for the midfield and you end up hemmed in hitting hopeful balls to the forwards . It may give you defensive stability and thats why we have reverted to it but our problem all season has been catastrophic individual defensive errors caused by system issues, Alot of those errors has been caused by the defence coming under too much pressure because of to many turnovers from midfield because we have been playing with 4 forwards and 2 deep lying midfielders and nothing inbetween, great when we can get the ball into the forwards but quite often the ball is lost from the midfielders or the forwards struggling to control a poor pass and getting dispossed.
May have gone of piste a little there, so il save the rest for another thread.
Personally think we should play 4-3-3 with a single number 6 and two slightly wide number 8's. Play sancho as a wide 10 then a number 9 and a wide forward looking to break the lines.
Always find with 5-3-2 that you can struggle to exert control against good sides not enough forward passing options for the midfield and you end up hemmed in hitting hopeful balls to the forwards . It may give you defensive stability and thats why we have reverted to it but our problem all season has been catastrophic individual defensive errors caused by system issues, Alot of those errors has been caused by the defence coming under too much pressure because of to many turnovers from midfield because we have been playing with 4 forwards and 2 deep lying midfielders and nothing inbetween, great when we can get the ball into the forwards but quite often the ball is lost from the midfielders or the forwards struggling to control a poor pass and getting dispossed.
May have gone of piste a little there, so il save the rest for another thread.
I don't know how many final straws there can be by this point in time. The worst thing of all is the press or any half-reputable Twitter account can put up anything and it will seem plausible due to the incompetence of our staff and manager. This story might be completed balls, but there's no way the staff would get the benefit of the doubt after all the wrong they've done.
I really hope to goodness this is a complete fabrication because it suggests things are even further gone than what anyone would've thought the nadir is or has been.
Maybe we’re trying but it just looks like shit that we’ve seen over the past few weeks? I certainly don’t think we’re seeing anything remotely coherent.Yup, with the CMs being taught how to cover the entire width of the pitch and also slot in as CBs when the wide CBs are stretched. It's a sight to behold and looks like sorcery even when you consider that Bielsa is the one teaching it.
At this point I just want to see some Zeman/Bielsa tactical lunacy.
We know where Ole's been looking.
But the whole point of a wingback is they have more defensive responsibility than a traditional winger would have, therefore you're minimising Sancho's best qualities (attack and creativity) and replacing it with more defensive responsibility which I would take a guess is nowhere near as good as his offensive output. It's basically the same as making AWB a right winger, taking away what he's good at (one vs one) defending and replacing it with more attacking responsibility which is what he's terrible at.
To put it simply a rwb in a 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 has more defensive responsibility than a rw/lw in a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Maybe i'll end up being wrong and pleasantly surprised but I don't think Sancho with his attributes would make a good player with a high amount of defensive responsibility.
We know where Ole's been looking.
Not really. If he had examined those (relatively accurate) stats he’d see it’s a non starter.
6 str, 6 tackling, 12 workrate, 13 fitness and stamina, and 7 positioning.
nobody any good at fm would do it.
Why didn’t we just push for Trippier? Or why the feck did we sign AWB as @sullydnl pointed out when we knew his glaring deficiencies in attack?
People need to stop talking about Ole’s transfer record — it’s fecking scratchy as feck.
Or maybe people need to talk more about it.
People need to stop talking about Ole’s transfer record — it’s fecking scratchy as feck.
Or maybe people need to talk more about it.
I'd say there is more sense in playing Di Maria up front than Sancho at RWB. Both bad decisions, just that one is much worse than the other
Does anybody else get the impression that Ole isn't really the sharpest knife in the drawer? The way he talks in clichés, no real in depth insight or thought.
Then you look at his tactics and it's so basic. Even the way he predictably went 5 at the back and then just ditches it. I think he makes it up as he goes along.
Then you look at his tactics and it's so basic. Even the way he predictably went 5 at the back and then just ditches it. I think he makes it up as he goes along.
Actually think James would possibly be decent, or at least usable there. He can run fast over long distances, repetitively. Sancho, on the other hand is only fast over short distances, which is why he’s a winger. It’s absolutely desperate what Ole is doing. The kind of stuff you see from relegation threatened managers (I would know having seen a bit of that). Not saying United are getting relegated but that’s Ole’s mindset. When are they going to put him out of his misery?
This is what happens when you have a clueless bunch on top.
He signed a 50m right back who can't attack but now want a 70m attacker to play the right back role because his 50m signing shits on the ball.
And people say his signings has been great.
He signed a 50m right back who can't attack but now want a 70m attacker to play the right back role because his 50m signing shits on the ball.
And people say his signings has been great.
It is - if you plan your team to defend.
In that case, it's completely a dumb decision, because, as all of you say - Sancho is not a wingback. Or a right back.
If you plan for your team to dominate and attack for 70 minutes, as say Pep's teams play - then NO - it's not stupid.
If we had Pep as the manager we would see a lot of this, and none of you would think it's dumb. Perspective.
This Spurs game, despite the 3 points, is gonna do us more harm than good.
And you lot want him as DOF
Hahahahaahahahaha
Hahahahaahahahaha
It made sense I think in lvg system as he had like 7-8 “system” players with no tactical freedom etc, and then a few “floating free” players who could do what they wanted to try and score. Putting the best at the tip of the spear was somewhat logical if flawed.
this is just utter nonsense that a 12 year old wouldn’t try in fm.
Could a be a language barrier to be fair and also maybe he never got to grips with public speaking hence the timidness and propensity to talk bollocks?
When has Pep ever converted one of his attacking talents to a role like that during his entire career ?? Specially that's cost so much money.
Besides, Ole ain't Pep. He has zero credibility to try crazy shit like that
Dan James of Leeds United?
Don't even joke about this.
No, now I want it to happen.
-------------------Ronaldo
Rashford-----Bruno------Sancho
Fred--------McTominay---Van de Beek
-----Bailly---Lindelof----Varane
-----------------De Gea
Full field pressing, high defensive line and pashun.
At this point the players need to go on strike.
Even a wired Pep is looking at that as the ideas of a lunatic or totally incompetent staff.
Let's play a low stamina, attack-minded, combination football reliant, final 3rd player in the hardest working, most isolated position there is on a football pitch! What could possibly go wrong?
That could work with those players. I’d swap Cavani for Ronaldo though.
But how does one leave out Ronaldo?
I can't remember if it was mentioned on here or Reddit. Apparently there was an ex player on Bein sport as a pundit. He was talking about some defensive drills we were doing pre game (Atalanta or City) and he said he couldn't believe what he was seeing as it was a drill that you use for people just starting out in the game when learning to defend with 5 at the back or a 3 man CB.
Or something along those lines. It just all sounded so ridiculous.
Or something along those lines. It just all sounded so ridiculous.
Wholeheartedly agree.
But Pep has done a lot of batshit crazy formations, even at Bayern he played an effectively 2 - 3 - 5 formations a couple of times.
I completely agree with you. Which is exactly why I don't think it will work. We're not a pep team, we're an Ole team, Sancho could probably go to City and play the Cancelo role easily since he has 80% possession, but with the way we play it will be nothing but a disaster, we don't control possession don't move the ball in quick transition and can't defend to save our lives, adding Sancho as a rwb in our setup is a recipe for disaster. Look at our average position in the derby then look at City's and tell me how Sancho being in AWBs position in that setup will be a good thing ?