This club is in a tragic state, it really is.
The Athletic: "Man Utd coaches trying Jadon Sancho as RWB"
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It's not the worst idea for games where we expect to be on the front foot. Anything that gets AWB out of the side at the moment is a bonus.
Didn't Conte do this?
They're just copying other managers at this point.
While it's doable it's a waste of Sancho's best talents. Better using Lingard there IMO.
They're just copying other managers at this point.
While it's doable it's a waste of Sancho's best talents. Better using Lingard there IMO.
This can’t be true, but then again, with the club as it is I wouldn’t surprised.
It just shows how badly coached we are as a team that we go and spend the money on Sancho, and then have to try to play him RWB because we’re so woefully inept in a back 4.
The fact Ole changes his formation and team setup so drastically from game to game shows he has no idea what he is doing. He doesn’t even believe in himself or his coaching to stick with a particular style. Just winging it from game to game.
The board are no different with their short-term thinking of 3 games to save the job. What about the last 3 years of nothingness? Norwich are better run in that they made a decision about a manager prior to their first win of the season and knew that for the long-term they needed to make a change. If it was United, they’d have given him another few games.
It just shows how badly coached we are as a team that we go and spend the money on Sancho, and then have to try to play him RWB because we’re so woefully inept in a back 4.
The fact Ole changes his formation and team setup so drastically from game to game shows he has no idea what he is doing. He doesn’t even believe in himself or his coaching to stick with a particular style. Just winging it from game to game.
The board are no different with their short-term thinking of 3 games to save the job. What about the last 3 years of nothingness? Norwich are better run in that they made a decision about a manager prior to their first win of the season and knew that for the long-term they needed to make a change. If it was United, they’d have given him another few games.
Yeah.
The title sounds more stupid then it actually is.
He's a right sided player, a difference in calling him a right wingback or right wing or right back is only that - a definition that is defined merely by a couple of yards and the coaches instructions.
We could play him like Jose played Maicon in Inter, zero defensive duties with Mctominay or Fred roaming to the right to cover for him.
What we should be praising is the ability to at least try and change something.
If he could somehow shoehorn VDB in that team who knows what we could be capable of playing.
Only downside is, it takes time. I'm afraid Ole doesn't have the luxury of time on his hands.
Can we sack this fraud before he ruins anymore of our players. He’s already retrained DvdB as a kit man.
Tuchel has done it more recently with Hudson Odoi.
BELIEVE my friendI'll be there when you need some moral support. You are setting yourself up.
I'm sorry you cannot compare Sancho one of the best young wingers in Europe for assists with fecking Hudson Hawk Odoi. Why would we convert one of the best wingers in Europe to be a wing back. What's next Ronaldo going to do a shift in CDM.
We should in no way be praising Solskjaer for signing one of the best young attackers in Europe and turning him into an emergency RWB. That is, in a totally unqualified way, A Bad Thing.
Mental. Sancho doesn’t fit the profile of a wingback at all.
Get Rashford on the LWB slot and we're good to go
Maybe Ole looked at his profile fit as the Man Utd boss and thought what the heck
Maybe we should turn VDB into a CB while we're at it.
If Sancho goes on a strike there is a chance that a big club targets him for January, his stock is still high.
If we are playing 3 CB's of Lindelof, Maguire and Varane then it may not be the worst idea. Sancho's off the ball movement doesn't seem that great say compared to someone like Rashford and he seemed to always pick the ball up deep for Dortmund.
Obviously defensively, he's not going to be much use apart from his work-rate getting up and down but AWB is a weak link offensively to the point where it's detrimental to the team to pass to him in an attacking sense.
Obviously defensively, he's not going to be much use apart from his work-rate getting up and down but AWB is a weak link offensively to the point where it's detrimental to the team to pass to him in an attacking sense.
This is pretty damning if true, how the feck these idiots are allowed to blow millions on players they have no clue about is shocking, totally inept.
Cry or laugh. I don’t know. I’m so sick him right now.
He's not
Is that true though...they abondoned Plan A because Ronaldo doesn’t fit Plan A. Even though Plan A still looked shite in practice, he did speak about wanting an interchangeable front 3...we never had balance because the right side let us down...obviously bought Sancho to remedy that...presumably...pre Ronaldo...the plan for this season was-
No.9- Martial, Cavani or Rashford
LW- Rashy, Martial or Sancho
Rw- Sanch, Rashy or Amad
No.10- Bruno, Sancho, Amad
Jesse in the mix anywhere there...
-Shaw and Telles competing for left back to provide attacking options and Bissaka and -Dalot getting forward more on the right to achieve that balance we were looking for.
-Varane securing the back line would mean Pogba could fit in a pivot and not be so exposed alongside a DM.
This does seem to have been the plan...all his interviews seem to point this way...
But we never got the chance to see it given time to work...Varane had barely settled, Rashford was injured and Sancho/Cavani wasn’t fit. So by the time Ronny comes along - and the plan goes out the window- do we ever see it given a proper chance?
now don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Ole would get the best out of the squad regardless - I don’t think he would have made it work...but I don’t think he threw his plan A on the scrap heap because it didn’t work in practice - he never really gave it a chance to...once he finally had the majority of the pieces he said he needed...he bought Ronaldo and he shot his own 3 year plan in the foot!
If you look at how Ole has employed his 5-3-2 so far, he has all five in a horizontal line when defending at the back. Sancho would be parallel to Maguire, Lindelof, Varane and Shaw.
I'd say that it's not really a ridiculous idea. The issue lies deeper — that we have turned to this formation due to a complete lack of confidence in our defense and midfield. If we accept this formation is a given, it's probably the best use of Sancho, considering that we have only 1 free spot in attack next to Bruno & Cristiano and there are already Cavani, Rashford, Greenwood (not to mention Martial, Lingard, Mata 
and possibly Amad) fighting for it. But we shouldn't accept this formation is a given.
and possibly Amad) fighting for it. But we shouldn't accept this formation is a given.Would have made sense if it was some hard working style winger like Victor Moses, Willian etc but Sancho is more of a creative player. I'm not sure if he has the workrate either to get back for this role. We don't really have a proper RWB which was one of the main reason playing 352 with this squad would be a problem. If we are to play this formation permanently we need to buy a RWB. Someone like Lamptey or Livramento would be ideal.
This reminds me of the breaking news story of us going 433 this season.
Trying to coach a young player into a position he’s never played (one who cost us a sh*t load of money mind you as well) becuase we’ve just changed formation as our defenders can’t defend through a lack of coaching.
Brilliant idea.
Funny thing is they can’t make the most of him in a position he excelled in elsewhere yet now they think they can coach him into a totally different position, its laughable really.
Brilliant idea.
Funny thing is they can’t make the most of him in a position he excelled in elsewhere yet now they think they can coach him into a totally different position, its laughable really.
A few weeks ago I would have said “eff you” but today I say “touche”.
Get these fecking clowns out of the club.
Because he’s a much different player. Plus, Tuchel, Ole… big difference there too.
Is this serious?
He can play on the right without any trouble.
He can play on the left as an inverted winger too, i agree.
You're all jumping on the "Oh nooouu he's making him play RWB!!!"
And you're all focusing on the definition of a wing back.
Since we're used to playing 4-2-3-1 we could just as easily play 3-2-4-1, a lop sided version of the 4231.
In that instance Sancho becomes this right sided part of the 4.
Do we call it a RWB or a RW or a RB, doesn't matter actually.
He's an attacking player, i only presume that Ole and his coaching staff haven't all lost their minds to think he could play any defensive role.
But in a 3-2-4-1, he's not.
Chucking more shit at the wall.
On the left we have Shaw running with attack but Rashford doesn't track back, leaving space behind.
So next, they can make Rashford as LB and Shaw as LW. This way we will have a LB charging up in the field and a winger tracking back! win win.
So next, they can make Rashford as LB and Shaw as LW. This way we will have a LB charging up in the field and a winger tracking back! win win.
I disagree. Mcguire is obviously crap and deserves all the stick he is getting. However, when on form he is one of the better CBs in the league. He was doing okay with Varane before the whole team jumped off a cliff. I would agree with you however on AWB. He is good defensively but he can’t be asked to be the outlet going forward. He is simply too limited. But we were desperate for a RB after Valencia retired and we were prepared to overpay for a defensively solid RB.
Ashley Young 1.0 (when he was young) was actually a good winger.
I agree it was successful, probably more in the case of Valencia . worth pointing out that it was late in their careers, and their effectiveness as wingers had diminished.
So the solution to our issues in a 4231 is to take a player from the back four and put him in the front 4? I actually want to see it, just for fun.
Maybe we should try swap Maguire and Ronaldo position. Who knows, we will concede less.