Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

UnitedSofa said:
…. & yet two Premier League titles have been won using it.
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Pretty amazing that Conte switched to a 343 mid game vs Arsenal and Chelsea then would win 13 games on the bounce. The change was instant.

One of the most fascinating things about Antonio Conte and Chelsea’s 2016-17 Premier League title win was that it was practically a direct result of a change in formation. Conte imposed a system and style of play upon his players and utilizing this system and style, the players performed to extreme heights and won the league. They did it with two holding players though, Kante was world class. And a world class centre forward in Costa, bullied every centreback in the league. Could probably put Azpilicata and Luiz in that bracket too along with Hazard. Everybody else worked hard, gave their all. Pedro could give most teams problems with his directness. How many of our current players could get into that team. None:(
 
Bo_devil said:
Pretty amazing that Conte switched to a 343 mid game vs Arsenal and Chelsea then would win 13 games on the bounce. The change was instant.

One of the most fascinating things about Antonio Conte and Chelsea’s 2016-17 Premier League title win was that it was practically a direct result of a change in formation. Conte imposed a system and style of play upon his players and utilizing this system and style, the players performed to extreme heights and won the league. They did it with two holding players though, Kante was world class. And a world class centre forward in Costa, bullied every centreback in the league. Could probably put Azpilicata and Luiz in that bracket too along with Hazard. Everybody else worked hard, gave their all. Pedro could give most teams problems with his directness. How many of our current players could get into that team. None:(
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Victor Moses would walk into this team.
 
JPRouve said:
All of that is beside the point. You made a point about the financial situation of the club and I stated that the point you made is only correct if you believe that Amorim is going to do a better or comparable job to any successor because the hard fact is that the financial situation is tied to our performances in the league and in continental cups. Forget about Amorim or United, the financial repercussion of sacking a manager isn't really about his compensation and more about how much the club could gain with better performances, as an illustration in the PL alone last season Everton(15th) got 19m less money than United(8th) when it comes to merit payments. The gap is larger with continental competitions and higher rankings and it easily covers any losses that you made when you sacked your manager.

My point being that if you have good reason to not believe in your manager than the financially prudent move is to sack him, it's not to give him more time and back him up. What you are suggesting has merit from a Football standpoint but it is not financially sound, not with the way money is made in Football. Also no decision should be based on how it makes a previous decision look like, that kind of mindset only serves your ego for a minute but it's not good for the club or yourself.
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I think you miss my point which is that the body of evidence is not big enough to make that decision, in my opinion. Yours might differ clearly.
 
Did I miss anyone except one off conte winning the premier league with wingbacks, who was the second one?
 
Nep77 said:
Did I miss anyone except one off conte winning the premier league with wingbacks, who was the second one?
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For me it wasnt that Conte did it, it was the 'way' he did it. Made it look pretty easy. His other systems had failed at that point. They did the FA cup the same year. No further proof is needed that it can work with the right players.
 
Insanity said:
What evidence? A bunch keepers getting debuts in MLS or Danish league or Ajax?

Yeah, that's what I said, Onana deserving to play based on his age.

You got me again.
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His age and experience really showed in the first three minutes today :lol:

Perhaps that's why he's struggling... He should've never been given the chance at Ajax to break through to begin with!
 
soapythecat said:
The lack of any confidence in this team is beyond a joke. Amorim has to take responsibility - the players haven't got a clue what they are doing.
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He called them the worst Utd team ever.
Not surprising they have no confidence.
 
RedRoach said:
I think you miss my point which is that the body of evidence is not big enough to make that decision, in my opinion. Yours might differ clearly.
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This is what I responded to.
RedRoach said:
We just spent £14 million sacking Ten Hag and his staff. Repeating that operation on Amorim 6 months later is not going to make our financial situation any better.
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Will get pelters for saying it, but Amorim looks done. We are appalling. There is absolutely zero excuse to be THIS bad.
 
Onana is a fecking clown but this guy is responsible for the complete lack of confidence and nous throughout the team. Just get rid now before we are relegated.
 
It doesn't really matter if he is good enough, because it seems the coaches he brought with him are ass. Not that we were good before but the set pieces are even worse and Onana went from sometimes good sometimes shit to always shit.
 
He isn’t helping himself and I don’t think he will last long but at this point we are basically the least attractive proposition for any coach in football.

If he goes we aren’t going to get anyone better.
 
Totally out of his depth. None of these useless huddys have improved under his management. Utter shitshow.
 
Shut the feck up you lot, will ya?
Shitshow of posts in a game where we are on top!!!
 
Bo_devil said:
Pretty amazing that Conte switched to a 343 mid game vs Arsenal and Chelsea then would win 13 games on the bounce. The change was instant.

One of the most fascinating things about Antonio Conte and Chelsea’s 2016-17 Premier League title win was that it was practically a direct result of a change in formation. Conte imposed a system and style of play upon his players and utilizing this system and style, the players performed to extreme heights and won the league. They did it with two holding players though, Kante was world class. And a world class centre forward in Costa, bullied every centreback in the league. Could probably put Azpilicata and Luiz in that bracket too along with Hazard. Everybody else worked hard, gave their all. Pedro could give most teams problems with his directness. How many of our current players could get into that team. None:(
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Conte is by and far a better manager than Amorim. No comparison.
 
Wing Attack Plan R said:
Could it be they have seen the error of their ways, and have learned that giving blind allegiance to a manager out of his depth is never going to work? People had faith in Ten Hag because he said the right things and lead us to believe he was a few players short of his master plan. Patience was finally exhausted before the FA Cup win, and he should have been given the boot then [after the win]. To say that these same people can't judge these shit results and shit performances under Amorim as being, well, shit, is disingenuous.
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Nah.
 
Some of his selection and game management decisions are becoming Ten Hag-esque. He'll lose the fans if he pulls shit like that Garnacho sub instead of Hojlund
 
Bo_devil said:
He's pretty good. Vastly experienced. Yet most on here turn up their noses whenever he got linked.
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From what I recall, some didn’t like his 3-4-3 formation, the fact he was difficult to work with and that he had a short shelf life. I would 100% take him now over this shit. Conte is not tied to his philosophy, he’s pragmatic and understands the point of football is winning.
 
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