I brought you facts ie 8 out of 14 players signed are either EPL proven or/and British. You can debate arguments but not facts. Ole's transfers were centered around EPL proven or British players especially considering that 2 out of the remaining 6 were kids who were more suited for the academy. Also before claiming that Salah was EPL have you even checked how many full games did he played for Chelsea? Oh wait, maybe you're confusing him with Lampard or Sir Bobby Charlton.
Rio Ferdinand says Manchester United must write off the next two years in their latest rebuild. But is he being too optimistic?
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I brought you facts ie 8 out of 14 players signed are either EPL proven or/and British. You can debate arguments but not facts. Ole's transfers were centered around EPL proven or British players especially considering that 2 out of the remaining 6 were kids who were more suited for the academy. Also before claiming that Salah was EPL have you even checked how many full games did he played for Chelsea? Oh wait, maybe you're confusing him with Lampard or Sir Bobby Charlton.
Even by saying this Rio is basically saying Ole’s rebuild was shite (which he defended) so essentially saying he knows nothing anyway.
He should have called it out for what it was but he was never going to do that as Ole was his friend. We will continue to write off the years with these owners.
I also brought you facts and showed how 8 out of 14 transfers does not demonstrate focus toward any single area.
All you could do in return is take one name out of a double digit list and hang on to how he hadnt played for his PL club as much.
Il make it easier with a sentence - your own collation of the transfers does not display the focus you have just made up.
I don’t buy the friend craic, I think they just don’t know shit, like the rest of us.
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Fair enough I guess we will have to wait and see if he calls it out on the next manager if he fails too.
8 out of 14 is nearly 60% mate. 8 out of 14 is 66.7%. That's a lot
There was a time when being EPL proven was worth the extra fee we paid for them. All EPL sides played a similar style of football so most of the time you could plug a talented player out of Aston Villa, Fulham or West Ham, plug it in Manchester United and voila they'll do magnificently. That ended in past 7 years or so simply because teams out of the top 6 tend to play a very different style of football to the one played by the big guys. I am pretty sure that the likes of Maguire, AWB or Shaw would perform very well at a club who defend in numbers and with a deep line.
Why there is still some advantages of being EPL proven, that advantage had shrunk substantially especially considering the fees often paid for them. That's why managers, scouts, DOFs, analysts and technical directors need to be on top of their game these days. They need to analyse in detail whether a player has the right characteristics (talent wise, adaption and attitude) to play a different style of game to what he's often playing at smaller clubs.
If it was him pushing for the signing he surely would have played a lot more.
I respected him so much before he hired Stephen Howson and both of them did clickbait streams when Ronaldo rumors were around.
Youve just bucketed Sancho in there too in the British quota. So its a "brit or PL proven" to stat pad, which I find really silly.
Take Sancho out because he was an obvious signing under any top manager, its 50%. Take Heaton out because he was simply there on a free to replace Romero in a covid delicate squad, its less than 50%.
Do you see how silly the narrative is now? Ole didn't put in some Football Manager filter to see which players were British or PL proven
I second that motion.
Man United might not thank me, but get the contract out, put it on the table, let him sign it, let him write whatever numbers he wants to put on there -- given what he's done since he's come in -- and let him sign the contract and go. Ole's at the wheel, man -- he's doing his thing. Man United are back!
Youve just bucketed Sancho in there too in the British quota. So its a "brit or PL proven" to stat pad, which I find really silly.
Take Sancho out because he was an obvious signing under any top manager, its 50%. Take Heaton out because he was simply there on a free to replace Romero in a covid delicate squad, its less than 50%.
Do you see how silly the narrative is now? Ole didn't put in some Football Manager filter to see which players were British or PL proven
Guess what Sancho is British. He was born in Camberwell in Greater London and was raised in Kennington. So I don't know why you want to take him out of the equation. As said if you remove Diallo and Pellistri who were clearly signed for the academy out of the equation then the percentage would go to around 67%. Regarding Heaton that's BS tbh as we also gave Grant a contract extension which means that we've probably one of the very few clubs with 4 experienced keepers in the world. During this covid delicate period Heaton played an astronomical 1 game this season against Young Boys. How on earth could we live without him?
Regarding our transfer strategy god knows what Ole was smoking most of the time. I mean who would put not one but two summer biggest signings on the bench for most of the time? Having said that its evident that it had failed spectacularly.
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I know Sancho is British.
What I am saying is you're making up a shit narrative that Ole focused primarily on British and or proven premier league talent.
In reality Sancho happened to be one of the best wingers around for his age and Heaton was a free agent. These factors are more of a driving force than their nationality or PL CV.
If you need that explaining to you, end the debate. Its not worth anyones time entertaining made up narratives.
Great summary tbf
Which is exactly what he did. I don't care if Sancho was the best winger around for his age. Maguire was considered one of the finest CBs in the EPL, AWB was considered as one of the most promising RB in the EPL etc etc etc. No one cares about that. What I was debating was the ideology around the signings made ie British/EPL proven players who costed us a bomb and lead us to a trophy less period with yet another rebuilding process at the end of it. It was a stupid, lazy and quite frankly unsustainable ideology to start with.
And once again, Heaton was a mistake that could have been easily avoided. It was evident after the Romero mess that United couldn't keep 3 EPL proven GKs happy. That's a mistake Ole kept doing not only in the GK's department but in many other areas as well. That while ignoring completely an area that actually needed strengthening ie the DM role.
For the 10th time, he didnt.
You just said you dont care if Sancho was one of the best talents around, even though that was the driving factor in his signing.
You're now making up a daft narrative in your head off a sample of 14 transfers and citing %s from it. Thats quite a silly approach given a single player one way or another contributes to >10% variance.
Give up, youve just made up a story that never existed.
Ok then Ole signings weren't mainly British/EPL proven signings even though that the facts suggest otherwise. Happy now? So let's just forget such facts + the numerous 'United DNA' and 'knowing what playing for Manchester United is all about' comments made during that particular period
Yes, I think rebuild or write off is another term for garbage and we need more time with this lot, or basically get rid of them.
