Given i want us to go all out on Thomas Meunier for right back, having Thauvin for right wing is a decent option hoping they'd communicate well (in french i suppose).
Right Winger... Who do we go for?
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Martial is likely to go so ideally whoever we bring in should be a younger player, Willian would be an upgrade on what we have now but we already have one quick fix in Sanchez on the LW and that hasnt worked yet.
Would like to see Pulisic or Malcolm, but we are have been lacking any width and consistent threat on the right wing for years now so would pretty much take anyone.
Would like to see Pulisic or Malcolm, but we are have been lacking any width and consistent threat on the right wing for years now so would pretty much take anyone.
Mou will sell Martial with buyback clause(hopefully) and get Willian in the summer. It is written in the stars. Quick fix is what Mou needs right now (not against him, he needs result to please the demanding crowd). He got MU to 2nd place this season which is a very good achievement, so anything other than a title challenge next season will be seen as a step backward. People should realize Mou has no time or opportunity to blood young players in MU. He needs mature players who can play his way and contribute right away.
Willian's not good enough to ensure a title push next season for us in my eyes. Goal wise he's not the best and at times hasn't been in the starting XI for Chelsea who have finished 5th. I hate to say this, but get rid of Martial because Jose has ruined him here, then buy Neymar / Griezmann to play RW if there's any sort of realism there. Griezmann is always an option this window, he'll come to United over Barcelona (Game time, Pogba), and Jose likes Brazilians, Neymar's thought about us previously and it seems we just keep linking up with him every window. Just imagine Sanchez---Lukaku---Neymar/Griezmann
But, on that basis, won't Jose just ruin Griezeman / Neymar / whoever as well? He's already made a good start on Alexis, who was widely regarded as world class before he joined us. Why waste a lot of money on expensive players when players like Willian can do just as effective a job in this system at a fraction of the cost
Jose doesn't ruin players, he may be more demanding and harder to play for than some others managers but if you're good enough then you can be prolific under him.
Hazard,Costa at Chelsea, Ronaldo,Benzema and Higuain at Madrid. These players were all prolific and winning trophies under him.
If a player can't cut it under Jose then he just isn't good enough.
Hazard,Costa at Chelsea, Ronaldo,Benzema and Higuain at Madrid. These players were all prolific and winning trophies under him.
If a player can't cut it under Jose then he just isn't good enough.
Willian only got 4 goals and 2 assists in 25 appearances in Mourinhos first season back at Chelsea, then 2 goals and 3 assists in 36 appearances in his second - that's not good enough. Griezmann / Neymar would 100% do better. Alexis seems to be finding his feet in these recent matches, but I won't judge him till half way through next season. Willian is a good player, but I don't think he's good enough for Man Utd.
For sure people evolve at their own rate, no doubt he is talented though... What stood out in the few games I caught of Marseille, was his work rate, seems to be a willing runner... Maybe I now have a reason to catch the Europa league final
Agreed. Now we (and maybe plenty of us Cafties here) have good excuse to watch the Europa Final.
Thauvin is having an incredible season but he still doesn't convince me. I'm not against signing him because, with his stats, he's definitely worth a punt, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him look a little out of his depth for us like I predicted with Mkhi when we signed him.
Whenever I hear or see the word "eejit" my mind instantly goes to Father Ted, but I digress!
I wouldn't really judge him based on his time at Newcastle because, if I remember correctly, they were a bit of a mess at the time, weren't they? I'm just going off the Marseille matches I watched where he didn't really look like anything great. I was of the same opinion with Mkhi in that when I watched Dortmund I never really thought he looked that good but he had great stats. Hopefully, if we do go for him, I'm wrong on this one because we need that right side sorted!
I’d try to sign Dembele. If Barcelona are to get Griezmann, they may want to get all or near their money back. They’re not going to get much selling Vidal, Digne or all the others listed on their supposed clear out list. Problem is Dembele isn’t the type of winger Mourinho seems to want.
Otherwise I’d like to see Sanchez moved to the right and show faith in Martial. I believe he has talent and can deliver for us. I don’t think he’s going to be amongst the worlds best, but I do think he can be on the same level Nani was for us which is pretty good. Plus Sanchez has played on the right and done well other places not to mention whether it was Lingard, Mata even Rashford they were given license to drift which Sanchez does wherever his starting position on the pitch is anyway.
I really don’t see the point in Willian. Might as well stick with Lingard as I’d imagine their contributions would be the same. Willian might end up with more assists because of set pieces but goals and the beloved tracking back are things Jesse does already for us.
Otherwise I’d like to see Sanchez moved to the right and show faith in Martial. I believe he has talent and can deliver for us. I don’t think he’s going to be amongst the worlds best, but I do think he can be on the same level Nani was for us which is pretty good. Plus Sanchez has played on the right and done well other places not to mention whether it was Lingard, Mata even Rashford they were given license to drift which Sanchez does wherever his starting position on the pitch is anyway.
I really don’t see the point in Willian. Might as well stick with Lingard as I’d imagine their contributions would be the same. Willian might end up with more assists because of set pieces but goals and the beloved tracking back are things Jesse does already for us.
I say bring in Suso. He's left footed but usually plays on the right.. and his long passes/shots can be very good. In the short term, he'll be a good squad player to help cover the wings.
In the long term (he's only 24) he might turn out to be a decent replacement for Sanchez.. or at least cover the wings decently while we find someone else.
In the long term (he's only 24) he might turn out to be a decent replacement for Sanchez.. or at least cover the wings decently while we find someone else.
Sanchez was a quick fix and that’s hasnt worked out yet, there are no guarantees with any players. Jose might want quick fixes but that won’t benefit the club, in 2-3 years time whence will probably be long gone and players like Willian and Sanchez are declining and will need replacing.
Part of Mourinho’s job should be to build a team not attempt to solve everything with expensive short term solutions.
Barca have stated they will not let go of Dembele, they dont need to offload him and he is at his dream club as well.
Jose doesnt seem to like Martial so use him as a makeweight to get a real RW like Douglas Costa.
Do you remember Jose Cat and Dog speech about Benzema at Madrid?
Its not just if the player is good enough, its players with a certain mentiality. Benzema succeeded because he stood up to Jose. If he had a different personality it could have ended another way irrespective of if he was good enough or not
And Benzema changed very little in terms of his attitude on the field. It's important to also point out that according to the rumor Benzema is one of Zidane and Perez favorites.
You may find it difficult to find a young right winger that play at a high level consistently and willing do put in the defensive effort as required by Mou's tactic. I guess Mourinho is in a very very demanding job.
Mou will go for Superstar like Bale if available, otherwise Willian.
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Is it just a large portion of our fans that think he’s particularly good? Mediocre who’s never going to push us on to the next level.
If that’s the type of guys Mourinho thinks will bridge the gap then there’s no point.
A workhorse winger who’s numbers are worse than anything we have here, and no room for development.
Truly uninspiring yet totally predictable with the way we’re going.
Is it just a large portion of our fans that think he’s particularly good? Mediocre who’s never going to push us on to the next level.
If that’s the type of guys Mourinho thinks will bridge the gap then there’s no point.
A workhorse winger who’s numbers are worse than anything we have here, and no room for development.
Truly uninspiring yet totally predictable with the way we’re going.
Reckon we should just feck it and go for Mahrez. Who else is there for the right, who’s going to be available for an alright price (considering the rumours we’re in for a few players this summer)?
Well that's just wrong. Benzema had one if not his best season for Madrid in 11/12 after struggling in 10/11 so he definitely did make a change under Mourinho.
Also what does Zidane have to do with this? He was not involved one bit in Madrid's management back then.
Maybe young players like Pulisic, Leon Bailey, Malcom, Guedes, Gelson Martins, etc.
I can see Mourinho going for William, but I prefer Mahrez. As you mentioned, he is a top right winger and exactly what we need.
We need to start thinking how Jose would and the pressure is on him for instant results instead of developing players who peak in a few years time so the likes of Pulisic, Malcolm, Bailey, Kluivert and Guedes are non starters as won’t hsve the instant impact to push us towards winning the league title next season.
That’s why I’d be very surprised if we signed any young players in the summer and expect players to come in that Jose thinks will have an instant impact like Bale or Mahrez and to be honest with how much we’ll all complain if we don’t match City next season it’s probably the best solution, Sir Alex brought young players through from a position of power rather than playing catch up and when he was playing catch up upon his arrival spent money on established stars to bridge the gap until we were in power.
He didn't make any change in his attitude, the only thing he did was to directly tell Mourinho to stop the nonsense in the media according to himself. Zidane was Perez's "special" council at the time he was involved but not near the pitch since his goal was to work in the board or as a DOF.
If not Bale then Mahrez or a punt on Adama Traore
Going for Willian is exactly the type of move we must make. The reason we are garbage is because our transfer policy has had almost 0 foresight and planning before José arrived, we need to stop signing the biggest names and actually sign players who fit a balanced system and can play to each other’s strengths.
Mahrez would be the worst signing because he’s exactly like Sanchez/Martial, he wants to cut in and play in front of the defence. He’s a playmaker style winger. If we signed him we would have even worse balance in our side, all our attacking players would move into the no 10 area and we would have no runners in the box, no wingers providing width and no space being created at all and our whole attack would bunch up in the middle and we’d be even worse than this season at breaking down compact teams.
What we need is to target a right winger who’s a proper winger, someone who can provide width and and stretch the defence. Someone who is genuinely dangerous on the outside, we have no players at all who can do this on the right or the left (apart from Rashford when he feels like having a good game). Either that or we need a Sterling/Salah type winger who has excellent movement, can create space and can get into the box and score 20+ goals a season. But what we really do not need is another cut inside style winger which are like all the ones we have right now.
Mark my words we will never sign Mahrez, he does not fit our system at all and would just be a continuation of our no planning, scattergun transfer policy which has got us into this mess.
I’m desperate for us to stop signing the biggest names and actually go for players who’d fit a fluid and balanced system. Everyone’s annoyed we signed Sanchez as an unplanned transfer and look how he’s struggled, it would be the same if we just went for the next big star on RW without thinking of how it fits our tactics
Mahrez would be the worst signing because he’s exactly like Sanchez/Martial, he wants to cut in and play in front of the defence. He’s a playmaker style winger. If we signed him we would have even worse balance in our side, all our attacking players would move into the no 10 area and we would have no runners in the box, no wingers providing width and no space being created at all and our whole attack would bunch up in the middle and we’d be even worse than this season at breaking down compact teams.
What we need is to target a right winger who’s a proper winger, someone who can provide width and and stretch the defence. Someone who is genuinely dangerous on the outside, we have no players at all who can do this on the right or the left (apart from Rashford when he feels like having a good game). Either that or we need a Sterling/Salah type winger who has excellent movement, can create space and can get into the box and score 20+ goals a season. But what we really do not need is another cut inside style winger which are like all the ones we have right now.
Mark my words we will never sign Mahrez, he does not fit our system at all and would just be a continuation of our no planning, scattergun transfer policy which has got us into this mess.
I’m desperate for us to stop signing the biggest names and actually go for players who’d fit a fluid and balanced system. Everyone’s annoyed we signed Sanchez as an unplanned transfer and look how he’s struggled, it would be the same if we just went for the next big star on RW without thinking of how it fits our tactics
What do you think Salah is? He’s not a line higher line you want. He spends more time down the middle or cutting inside than he does getting to the byline and crossing
No Salah is different to Mahrez and Sanchez. Salah is basically a second striker, he’s all about off the ball movement. Most of his great work is done off the ball not on the ball, this is the opposite of Sanchez and Mahrez who are expected to do magic with the ball at their feet.
Salah and Sterling have scored so many goals this season for a reason, they are completely different in style to the ‘cut inside’ wingers I’m talking about. They drift inside but it’s more about creating and getting into space, it’s about off the ball movement causing issues for the opposition defence and making late or unnoticed movements to be in the box and get on the end of chances. Most of Salahs goals this season haven’t been individual wonders, they’ve been tap ins or getting on rebounds or getting on the end of good build up. Sterling likewise, he’s not a great finisher but has 20+ goals, how come? It’s all about his movement and positional play.
This is something we do not have at all, the reason we struggle to break teams down is we don’t have the variety of attackers you need to have effective build up. To break teams down you need great movement and good on the ball players, Spurs have great balance through Son who stays wide and cuts in (horizontal movement), Alli who stays deep and and makes late runs (vertical movement), Eriksen who drifts around and plays in front of the defence as playmaker and Kane an all round forward who can hold up, build up but mostly get on the end of chances.
Do you see how that’s balanced, compared to if you had 3 Eriksens and one Kane? Or 3 sons and one Kane? That’s kind of what we have now, a lot of playmaking style players - Sanchez, Pogba, Lingard, Mata, Martial who all basically like to play in the same area of the pitch although Lingards movement has been a huge benefit to us and that’s why he’s so important and made such a difference to us. Also last season we had Ibra who was again another no 10ish guy and it shows that Lukaku this season has been huge to our attack because he plays a different style and does the Kane role not the Eriksen role, giving us far greater balance than last season.
A balanced team needs players who can playmake, stretch the team wide, make late runs into the box and get on the end of chances and score. Without these elements it becomes easy to defend against. Right now we have very few who can the 2nd or 3rd
I would like to sign Mahrez, but I think he will end up signing for City. I can see Guardiola going for Jorginho and Mahrez while Mou would sign William and Fred/Savic.
The answer to this question should be Sanchez, it's stupid not using him there, and it's not like we will replace Martial with a dynamic young flair player, it's going to be Mourinho's 30 year old workhorse mate.
Would prefer Zaha over Traore but I guess there is a bit of a difference in the price tag.
Willian.
I wouldn’t say no to Zaha either but I think he’s playing a bit more centrally now. Not sure if he’d want to go back to hugging the touch line
Douglas Costa - highly technical, two footed, and can be used in both left and right wings. The sort of versatility and attack mindedness we need imo.
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Thauvin is playing in the Europa League final tonight. A big stage to show how much he has developed and what he can do against a very tough opponent.
Get Mahrez and Meunier and our ride side would be completed
We need a right back that can offer something in the attack and we have needed a right winger for a while, love Mata as a person but feel his time is up, Martial might leave as well. Don't see how no team has bought Mahrez yet
We need a right back that can offer something in the attack and we have needed a right winger for a while, love Mata as a person but feel his time is up, Martial might leave as well. Don't see how no team has bought Mahrez yet
Dani Alves has a bad injury, that's why I don't see PSG selling Meunier. But I agree about Mahrez, he should be playing in a top team. Unfortunately, I think he will go to City.
He's doing quite well at Juventus, isn't he? Said in a recent interview that it was the best move of his career, can't imagine him wanting to leave.
Yes that's what I gather as well, especially if we move for Sandro. Can't see them losing both to the same club.
Other than being a 'hard worker' what would Willian provide in attacking sense? He barely scores or assists given his position, and also tends to drift towards the middle.
We need balance up top, but that can't be all about workrate. At some point we need actual class. Sanchez maybe, Lukau and Lingard definitely not.
Though a front 4 of Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard and Willian would be a nightmare for defenders...if we knew how to press as a team. Which is something no Jose team has ever done.
We need balance up top, but that can't be all about workrate. At some point we need actual class. Sanchez maybe, Lukau and Lingard definitely not.
Though a front 4 of Lukaku, Sanchez, Lingard and Willian would be a nightmare for defenders...if we knew how to press as a team. Which is something no Jose team has ever done.
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