Here is the average positions from today. Offside is his default.
Rashford and the offside conundrum
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Feel free to point out where this season Rashford has done better than Martial in the brief minutes the latter has featured in.
What's undeniable is that Rashford so far has been poor, showing nothing to warrant starting over his peers.
He's rapid too which makes it more annoying. He can give a yard and still be dangerous running in behind.
Those are just total offsides, my question was average per game. The fact he's up there already despite only playing 1/3 of the minutes is crazy. He's averaging an offside per 45 minutes. Vardy who has the most offsides is averaging one every 72 mins.
You learn "offside" when you're a kid in the little leagues, what's the matter with him ? every bloody time! he never learns!
It's just a matter of psychology really...
If you feed a thousand school lunches for every goal he scores, 800 for every assist, he'll he right
If you feed a thousand school lunches for every goal he scores, 800 for every assist, he'll he right
Forwards who run in behind will always get flagged off many times in a game. The few times they will get it right will create good opportunites for the team - like the way Rashord provided for Ronaldo to get a strike on goal.
My problem with Rashord is his decision making once he does have the ball. More often than not, he chooses the wrong option.
Hopefully RR can coach him to make better decisions - because think about it, after LvG, we have not had a proper coach who can train attacking players. That's 5 years of no coaching at all.
My problem with Rashord is his decision making once he does have the ball. More often than not, he chooses the wrong option.
Hopefully RR can coach him to make better decisions - because think about it, after LvG, we have not had a proper coach who can train attacking players. That's 5 years of no coaching at all.
Damn Ronaldo has more offsides and its Rashford who is born by himself on the offside line.
Pick and choose who you complain about
Literally the only player who makes runs behind the defence line to try and get on to Lindelof's long range passing.
Pick and choose who you complain about
Literally the only player who makes runs behind the defence line to try and get on to Lindelof's long range passing.
The issue for me isn't the fact he is often offside but how for most of them they're completely avoidable with a little more effort. If he is offside by making those runs in behind, I have no issue with that as timing them is very tough, specially if the pass doesn't arrive quick.
The problem is when he is just lazy to get back into position.
The problem is when he is just lazy to get back into position.
So he is just standing offside and gets the ball passed to him?
I never see this.
I see him always trying to make a run in behind - arguably as the fastest player in our squad; the same reason Vardy gets caught offside or Werner.
Rashford pressed yesterday just as well as the others did until the 2nd half when he became to tire & make mistakes with his first touches or passing.
I still didn't see him strolling around next to the goalkeeper waiting for a pass in an offside area.
No he doesn't make enough efforts to watch the line for me. A lot of those offsides are avoidable because his awareness isn't optimal (yet).
| 1. | Jamie Vardy | 17 | |
| 2. | Chris Wood | 14 | |
| 3. | Raúl Jiménez | 13 | |
| 4. | Ivan Toney | 12 | |
| 5. | Cristiano Ronaldo | 11 | |
| 6. | Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang | 10 | |
| 7. | Marcus Rashford | 9 | |
| 8. | Allan Saint-Maximin | 9 |
| 9. | Bukayo Saka | 9 | |
| 10. | Mohamed Salah | 9 | |
| 11. | Wilfried Zaha | 9 | |
| 12. | Michail Antonio | 8 | |
| 13. | Jarrod Bowen | 8 | |
| 14. | Kai Havertz | 8 | |
| 15. | Son Heung-Min | 8 | |
| 16. | Callum Wilson | 8 | |
| 17. | Maxwel Cornet | 7 | |
| 18. | Phil Foden | 7 |
| 19. | Daniel James | 7 | |
| 20. | Sadio Mané | 7 |
| 21. | Adama Traoré | 7 | |
| 22. | Ollie Watkins | 7 | |
| 23. | Christian Benteke | 6 |
What he is hardly doing is not exactly shocking. Seems like half the universe is born offside too. Foden doesn't doesn't play as a striker like Rashford has this season and has 2 offsides less.
Havertz is arguably a deep playing capable false 9 who can play deeper and has 1 offside less.
Son plays as a LW and hardly any games as a forward in partnership and has 8 offsides
Saka has 9 and Ronaldo has 11.
What's good about Ronaldo's offside numbers but Rashford is crap at?
Having more than twice as many minutes, probably?
I don’t know about all that; all forwards get caught offside, it’s part of their gig. It’s tough for Rashford. He got famous very soon, got attention. He did good for school meals, you can sense how he enjoyed, was almost addicted to, the attention. He would have benefited from a top coach in his formative years. I don’t know if it’s too late for him now. Hopefully not.
You're operating under the assumption that Rashford has played a similar amount of minutes to the players on this list.
Premier League Minutes Played
Rashford: 406
Ronaldo: 938
Aubameyang: 1,035
Son: 1,142
Saka: 978
Saint-Maximin: 1,328
Salah: 1,350
Zaha: 1,176
Some of you have completely forgotten about Henry
Using the top 10 in overall offsides, based on transfermarkt PL minutes...
So yeah, he's offside damn near twice as much as anybody else.
| 1. | Rashford | offside every 45.1 mins |
| 2. | Vardy | offside every 72.4 mins |
| 3. | Wood | offside every 81.8 mins |
| 4. | Ronaldo | offside every 85.3 mins |
| 5. | Jimenez | offside every 97.1 mins |
| 6. | Auba | offside every 103.5 mins |
| 7. | Toney | offside every 105 mins |
| 8. | Saka | offside every 108.7 mins |
| 9. | Saint-Maximin | offside every 147.6 mins |
| 10. | Salah | offside every 150 mins |
So yeah, he's offside damn near twice as much as anybody else.
I don't know why you're going on this tangent, I never talked about anyone else but Rashford. I never compared him with anyone else. Besides you cannot post numbers like these without taking into account the minutes played by each players. Makes no sense
It’s great that the one who defended Rashford and posted that table has literally need proves wrong with that exact table.
But he has still played 8 games never mind the minutes he got chosen to play. So he has got one offside every game he has played + 1.
He is the only attacker we have that tries to get in behind the defence. Greenwood dribbles and tries to take the opposition LB on before shooting. Martial is a ball to feet player. Ronaldo is attacking more from crosses than running behind the defence on to through balls.
Anyway, stats vs Mins don't back up what I'm saying, but stats Vs Game is not that bad.
Literally once for every time he plays a game by a player who tries to get in behind the defence.
Rashford has been poor since before he went for his operation. It's time now that he started showing his true form again or be benched.
N the ball - when Mctominay is not even playing his most natural position to play his best ON the ball game.
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You are right. McT tries his best and no manager will ever hate that nor criticize that.
I agree wholeheartedly
For what it's worth, the numbers themselves don't bother me.
I think it’s the type of offside that is more frustrating. It’s often quite deep and due to his great pace, usually quite avoidable.
I agree we need to encourage him to keep running in behind, he just needs to get it right more often.
Not all offsides are the same, some players are lazy and do not come back fast enough, some players do not have a good timing and vision, some players accept offside as a part of their game. Rashford has problem with his timing or/and his vision.
Under Ole, we did not work as a team, attacks were based on the individual class of our players. Players had to compensate the lack of automatism, the runs were timed by instinct, an instinct Rashford does not have enough. This team will be trained and drilled under Ralf, Ralf will give them all the instruction and the triggers they need and Rashford will get the chance to train his timing. We will see if he becomes good enough.
Under Ole, we did not work as a team, attacks were based on the individual class of our players. Players had to compensate the lack of automatism, the runs were timed by instinct, an instinct Rashford does not have enough. This team will be trained and drilled under Ralf, Ralf will give them all the instruction and the triggers they need and Rashford will get the chance to train his timing. We will see if he becomes good enough.
Marcus Rashford: 282 games, 92 goals
Anthony Martial: 268 games, 79 goals
The differences in their United careers is nowhere near as stark as you’re pretending, although admittedly Martial’s form fell off a cliff last season, a path with Rashford seems to be following. Up until then they were pretty much neck and neck, which the stats show, so if you’re going to pretend that Martial has always been rubbish then it’s only fair to give the same energy to Rashford but a lot of you turn a blind eye to poor performances with our homegrown players.
I would like to see how many goals they both have from penalty/free kicks.
He's had this problem with every manager he's played for.
Martial: 7 penalties
Rashford: 9 penalties, 4 free kicks
I’m not saying Martial is as good as Rashford but it’s laughable how Rashford’s lauded as world class and Martial a complete flop when their stats have been almost identical up until now. There’s really not been much to separate them.
He's just a bit thick, isn't he?
What does this even mean?
That when you look at Rashford vs the mins he has played (because he has been used as a sub more this season due to Sancho and Ronaldo) - Then his offside number looks bad.
But when you look at the number of games he has played/been involved in - he has played 8 and has 9 offsides. 1 offside every game + 1 extra.
Vardy has played 15 games but 17 offsides.
That's 1 every game + 2.
Chris wood has 14 games and 14 offsides.
1 offside per every game.
That 1 offisde every game seems relatively normal and the only reason it looks bad on paper is because he has played less mins per game this season.
Last season he played 37 games and got 27 offsides.
Comparing the total career goals of two young footballers - one of whom is two years older than the other - is a pretty crap way of working our who’s better. The reason Martial is seen as such a busted flush is because he never kicked on when he reached an age where he should have added more consistency to his game to take it to the next level*. In fact he did the opposite.
The same might well be true of Rashford. His poor start to this season is a worry. But there’s still plenty of time for him to turn it round before he gets filed alongside Martial in the unfulfilled potential dustbin.
* see also, Paul Pogba
So if you take a less accurate statistic instead of a more accurate statistic, it looks better? I'm still trying to understand how is this shaped into an argument.
He's stagnated under Ole and needs new direction - Ralf will help him, along with Greenwood. Elanga and Amad will be waiting in the wings if his form doesn't improve. Doesn't deserve to start currently.
He (Martial) hardly ever gets on the pitch nowadays!
Output. He has three times the number of goals in less than twice as many minutes. Both have been poor. One has contributed more despite that.
In full agreement about output. But his general play has long been a concern.
Ronaldo sticks the ball in the net!