We have 10 players leaving. We'll end up with 1 striker and almost no midfield. We have no decent fullbacks. We have no right winger. At least we have a very decent keeper, so I can't understand why it should be the first thing to be fixed.
Rangnick - "Apart from goalkeeping we need to improve all areas of our squad" | Muppets amass
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We have 10 players leaving. We'll end up with 1 striker and almost no midfield. We have no decent fullbacks. We have no right winger. At least we have a very decent keeper, so I can't understand why it should be the first thing to be fixed.
Honestly, these are just names man. These are not better keepers than DDG. Honestly, they might be better with their feet but won't be better overall goalkeepers. It's just a FM22 list of keepers.
Completely agree and the fans have helped exacerbate the problem imo.
And Rangnick hasn't said anything we haven't discussed on here before. But the below tweets quoting Rangnick and Dan Hope (from 2020) give some indication to the issues a club will face, when allowing the manager too much control in the modern game.
Yes, don’t disagree with those comments. We bought him in to fill a gap though and not really for his management. He has been shocking manager wise and doesn’t seem to have got respect or progress from the players.
Is the squad more than good enough for the top four though, lets be honest we finished second when thre was covid and injuries galore to Liverpool, Fat Frank screwing up Chelsea….we should be fourth but we are not much better than our position despite the poor performances.
Timing of comments a little strange, maybe to get a reaction who knows but how can we be unhappy with his comments. Maybe generalising but the consensus I get is most people want to see wholesale change player wise, I certainly do, him stating that is a promising sign towards it.
Good noises coming from Rangnick, it gives you an insight to the state of the club behind the scenes. He's being professional, but it sounds a gargantuan mess and it's going to require a serious clean-up. Get him in behind the scenes with ETH at the helm and we're making the first major steps towards a more structured and successful club.
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Bang on. In fact, the Maguire signing is pretty much mostly on the fans. They were the ones who were crying about Jose not being backed, when the board correctly refused to sanction that signing in summer 2018.
When Ole went after him again they were put in an almost impossible situation with our idiots constantly wailing 'back the manager'
Is correct. It's also the riskiest change you can make to your team. You feck up the goalkeeper signing and you're in the shit big time.
I agree with you. There are clear gaping holes. Right wing, defensive midfield and the striker position, regardless of whether Ronaldo stays or not. You're right about the fullbacks too. You can't sort everything out in one window and the new manager will be forced to compromise on certain areas. It just depends how integral a specific type of goalkeeper is to how ten Hag wants us to play.
Totally agree with Ralf here and didn’t expect any different.
De Gea is fine for now. I’m sure he can be coached to come off his line more, he has improved a little on that in recent years.
If we are a serious club, with ambition to match our size, we should be bringing in a bare minimum of 4 players this summer, with around 10 outgoings.
Anything less than that would be negligent. The ideal number would be 5.
2 midfielders, right winger, striker and right back. It can be done if spent wisely and money from sales comes in.
Totally agree also with a rebuild taking 3+ years as rubbish. Look at Real Madrid.
3 transfer windows. And if we haven’t significantly improved in 2 years, then look for another coach with a similar style to the players recruited.
De Gea is fine for now. I’m sure he can be coached to come off his line more, he has improved a little on that in recent years.
If we are a serious club, with ambition to match our size, we should be bringing in a bare minimum of 4 players this summer, with around 10 outgoings.
Anything less than that would be negligent. The ideal number would be 5.
2 midfielders, right winger, striker and right back. It can be done if spent wisely and money from sales comes in.
Totally agree also with a rebuild taking 3+ years as rubbish. Look at Real Madrid.
3 transfer windows. And if we haven’t significantly improved in 2 years, then look for another coach with a similar style to the players recruited.
I'm optimistic that whilst in the short term, Ralf's tenure as manager has been and probably will remain lackluster, with no top four finish - it will actually be incredibly beneficial in the long term.
He's been able to experience all of our short falls in every area first-hand. He seems like the kind of man that when put in the right role will be able to play a significant part in resolving most of them. I don't think the players necessarily respect him as a football man as much as they probably should (which managers would most of them respect really?) but I have a feeling the board do and will listen to his advice.
It feels like we might finally have a plan that will run right through the roots of the club and be given 3-5 years to bear fruit.
He's been able to experience all of our short falls in every area first-hand. He seems like the kind of man that when put in the right role will be able to play a significant part in resolving most of them. I don't think the players necessarily respect him as a football man as much as they probably should (which managers would most of them respect really?) but I have a feeling the board do and will listen to his advice.
It feels like we might finally have a plan that will run right through the roots of the club and be given 3-5 years to bear fruit.
I don't play Football Manager, they are all goalkeepers that would fit the way we play football considerably better than De Gea. He isn't just a problem with the ball at his feet, he's the worst goalkeeper in the league at dealing with crosses and sweeping behind the defenders - both of which are imperative if we wish to play with a high line. These aren't even modern goalkeeper traits, they are just goalkeeper traits, always have been and as such it really is not difficult to find a "better overall goalkeeper", heck Jose Sa is even having a better season than De Gea in the one aspect of the game De Gea is good at! I haven't looked at the specific statistics of all of the goalkeepers I noted but I know that Sa, Sanchez, Raya, Maignan and Maximiano are all miles ahead of him statistically in relation to crosses & sweeping which are the two main prevention tactics for a goalkeeper. If we insist upon playing a high line with defenders that instinctively look to their goalkeeper a lot, like Maguire, Varane and Lindelof to name just three, then a goal-line goalkeeper is not the right fit for the defenders, which is why we were a comfortably better team with Henderson in goal last season despite him being relatively average in most areas.
The dark years between 99 and 2005
.The newest hotness is keepers who play like Pirlo, but they are still very much a niche style for a keeper. It'll be another 5 or so years until you regularly see sweeper keepers across the division, if not longer.
In a world we play a high line, we can simply limit the amount of time we pass to the keeper, or not expect him to make passes through the lines. Any manager worth his salt can instruct a keeper who isn't great at distribution to play the simple ball to another player.
What for. It’s that old where will the goals come from argument again.
Simple. Someone else
Rebuild number 4 on the way
Seriously, it's nice to read those quotes and the acknowledgement that there are structural issues and it's not just about the mediocre squad Ralf has been left with.
Seriously, it's nice to read those quotes and the acknowledgement that there are structural issues and it's not just about the mediocre squad Ralf has been left with.
Did people not realize that we can't buy a new first 11 in one swoop?
We can always do better with a new GK, but it's very low in priority.
Our midfield is atrocious, just look how exposed our defense was against freaking Norwich. Both Fullbacks were also awful.
Then up front, we need a striker who can hold up the ball and combine with other players. A RW would also be nice.
We can always do better with a new GK, but it's very low in priority.
Our midfield is atrocious, just look how exposed our defense was against freaking Norwich. Both Fullbacks were also awful.
Then up front, we need a striker who can hold up the ball and combine with other players. A RW would also be nice.
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And this is exactly why the players don't put in a shift for him, he probably went in there, had a few sessions with them and basically said they were all shit (rightfully) because he really doesn't give a crap about them or their feelings, and that obviously upset many (Martial crying and not wanting to play for us again) with all the media leaks about how terrible the mood is around United etc.
I'm glad that these cnuts have been told they're shit, and them downing tools on the one who coddled them (Ole) and on Ralph who gave them all a wake up call proves that they don't belong at the top level.
I'm glad that these cnuts have been told they're shit, and them downing tools on the one who coddled them (Ole) and on Ralph who gave them all a wake up call proves that they don't belong at the top level.
This is exactly why going for RR over keeping Carrick (even if he had wanted to stay on), getting Conte or such a manager will serve us well going forward in the medium to long term. This is clearly a man who, regardless of qualities at coaching the current lot and what position we end up in this season, sees what is wrong at the club and will tell the board and the new guy. Hopefully that’ll mean that the new manager’s first transfer window won’t be wasted on him assessing the squad, giving everyone a chance etc before panic buying Declan Rice for £200m in the last day of the transfer window just to get someone through the door.
Well, yeah, it hasn’t worked already. It’s probably quite a big indicator to why his managerial career is pretty poor if it’s his only card
Some people on this forum are actual headbangers, I can't believe there are people talking about Carrick's games in here
So we can safely say that ole/murtough rebuild was a massive failure with over 400m thrown in the bin. Now ole paid the price for this mess up. What about Murtough?
For feck sake. Just fix the central midfield this summer. Thats all I ask for.
Fix. The. fecking. Midfield.
Then we might actually be able to challenge for something. Getting the right (young) players in those positions would make a world of difference to both our attack AND defence.
Fix. The. fecking. Midfield.
Then we might actually be able to challenge for something. Getting the right (young) players in those positions would make a world of difference to both our attack AND defence.
Are the two situations really all that comparable or are you one of those who are still pining for Mourinho? Mourinho gets shit for being a toxic bellend. Ralph hasn't shown himself to be that at all.
We can improve every area of our squad.
A decent centre back and a halfway decent midfield would make a world of difference and certain players would look a lot better.
Even just 2 good midfielders would instantly change a hell of a lot.
A decent centre back and a halfway decent midfield would make a world of difference and certain players would look a lot better.
Even just 2 good midfielders would instantly change a hell of a lot.
Purely looking at the outgoings, we'll need to bring a few MFs. Hopefully we get the right ones.
I agree that a functioning midfield would sort or minimise a lot of our problems.
Feel absolutely the same. Love his honesty and no bullshit ways. Average manager but I think he'll do some good work in the background.
I'm fairly sure I was reading that De Gea is bottom of the league for everything except shot stopping.
Can anyone corroborate?
Couldn't agree more, I think our current defence gets a significant upgrade if we replace De Gea.
Woodward's frustration when his random rebuilds kept failing:
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Why do muppets have anything to do with Chris Amass
Does that not show how weak and clueless the club was (and hopefully is no longer)? Blaming the fans seems odd. The club aren't supposed to sign players based on fan's opinions.
Not gonna lie. I love Ralf.
People have simply got used to his level of shot stopping and think it'll be easy to replicate with someone that also offers 'modern' keeper abilities.
Finding competent keepers is tough it amazes me united fans don't remember this. It stems from people overexcited by Henderson, once you get excited by a youth player it's all too easy to be overly harsh on their seniors.
Why do muppets have anything to do with Chris Amass
Who's that then?
This is more like it, personally I think the keeper does not need changing.
Muppets should be keeping a low profile
It's not the first time, no, but we do know these players are pretty sensitive to public criticism. They probably shouldn't be, they should probably grow some balls and own the shirt, but they are. We don't seem to have many individuals that respond to it. They don't respond to much so it's hard to say.
So I'm just curious as to whether this is a great strategy. My feeling is it's not a strategy, he's just shooting from the hip, I just struggle to identify the benefit at this moment of coming out and saying the majority of them are off in the near future under new management, when in fact we still have important games to play whether we like this squad or not. Is that really the play to increase our chances of a good end to the season?
Out of Interest how many players did Conte sign for Inter in his first summer. Turning them from shite to title contenders.
Yay more scapegoating. Maguire has had a poor season but he’s composed on the ball more often than not. Not that this forum will accept that. He’s target number one.
Maguire is the opposite of decent under pressure.