Doesn’t matter whether he bought them or not. Publicly criticising players is either a good thing or it isn’t.
Rangnick - "Apart from goalkeeping we need to improve all areas of our squad" | Muppets amass
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It never takes that long to rebuild. This summer 3 starters and a squad player is needed, next January/summer another few upgrades in the fullback positions and we should be a very competitive team by 2023/24. Wouldn't be ready to compete for the title by 24/25 at the soonest though, but cup competitions why not? We should see a competitive team on the way up and visible progress pretty quickly though.
I’m glad for you that you can be excited at the idea of Rangnick fixing all our ills. His spell as manager, picking players like Telles and Dalot, doesn’t fill me with the confidence you have.
He could’ve taken up his consultancy role and done all the things you think he’ll do without being manager.
Mourinho wasn’t saying the club need to have a set identity and hire players and managers to fit that identity moving away from the cult of the manager at all. Where is this comparison coming from? He wanted total control and fell out because we wouldn’t spunk 60m on Maguire after he decided his other two 30m centre backs he’d just signed weren’t good enough.
It kind of is. And Mourinho criticised the recruitment too. He was a dick when he did it. Rangnick is a genius.
This is why he needs an important role when he moves upstairs, and not some "advisory" role. He's impartial because he doesn't gain or lose anything from what he says, he just tells it straight, which we've needed.
This guy has helped form Leipzig, he knows how to build clubs, he should be being listened to, his role should be above Murtough.
This guy has helped form Leipzig, he knows how to build clubs, he should be being listened to, his role should be above Murtough.
No, both just said the players aren’t good enough.
The goalkeeping situation is not as low priority as most seem to think.
With a different style of play will come a highline, opposition giving emphasis on set pieces and playing the ball to feet more often than not. These are all aspects of play that DDG is not really good at.
I'd say this position is one of the biggest priority.
Anyway I perhaps gather he was talking about the goalkeeping position in general and not DDG specifically. Either way, we need better.
With a different style of play will come a highline, opposition giving emphasis on set pieces and playing the ball to feet more often than not. These are all aspects of play that DDG is not really good at.
I'd say this position is one of the biggest priority.
Anyway I perhaps gather he was talking about the goalkeeping position in general and not DDG specifically. Either way, we need better.
That’s interesting; can you point to a source? I’ve long believed that the squad’s poor fitness has some underlying cause.
Been behind Ralf since day one. His extremely forthright manner is just wonderful to listen to. He just says it how it is with no sugar coating. Top man.
I sure hope our board are actually listening to him!
I sure hope our board are actually listening to him!
Given the number of players definitely gone - (Jesse, Pogba, Cavani, Greenwood, Mata, Matic) the fact that Ronny is not capable of 40 games a season and we need to replace Maguire...
We need at least a CB, 2 Midfielders, a RW and a striker all good enough to step in to the starting 11.
5 minimum this window.Judging by his comments on Klopp, he was suggesting that buying players who have already trained under similar regimes cuts short rebuild times. It’s clever. With that in mind - perhaps expect:
Christopher Nkunku, Konrad Laimer, Adeyemi is already attracting interest from Liverpool.
We need at least a CB, 2 Midfielders, a RW and a striker all good enough to step in to the starting 11.
5 minimum this window.Judging by his comments on Klopp, he was suggesting that buying players who have already trained under similar regimes cuts short rebuild times. It’s clever. With that in mind - perhaps expect:
Christopher Nkunku, Konrad Laimer, Adeyemi is already attracting interest from Liverpool.
Largely because he's been dreadful this year tbf.
Some are going to have a shock when De Gea eventually leaves and we struggle for years to get a competent replacement. They'll be wishing we had someone as 'bad' as De Gea
It's actually ridiculous that people think De Gea is a problem. He is one of the only reasons we have remained in the top half. I don't back Henderson or many other keepers to pull off some of his saves - the guy is peppered with one on one's or short range headers yet it's his fault the rest of the team allowed it to happen
Thanks for that three and half rebuild, Ole. Good thing we gave you enough time.
Any chance we could bring in 6 new players in summer? Can we be clever and not buy every player for 50/60 mill. Buy couple of players not even on our radar that would fit the new managers style.
He is spot on about 3-5 year rebuilds being bullshit for a club of our size should all be done on the space of about 3-4 windows.
If you spread it out over too long a period you will never catch up.
If you spread it out over too long a period you will never catch up.
Agreed. Without DDG we probably lose against Norwich 4-2. The saves against Pukki and Rashica saved our asses big time.
He might not be the best with his feet or amazing aerially but he's the best shot stopper in the world IMO. For a team that concedes many shots, who else could we have better?
what’s the mourinho quotes again? Let’s compare
This man thinks that De Gea is fine? We have more problems than I thought. He's at least not sugar coating the rest. That's the one thing I like about him. He is honest and not bullshitting like crazy in interviews. We know that this squad needs a major rebuild. Zero chance we're buying as many players as we need in the summer. It's going to take at least 2 years to rebuild the squad.
except we're not buying players for Rangnick but ETH
I am not sure what are you trying to say here with those amazing stats but if you want to prove that Hendo is better than DDG then it confirms what I said. I am not saying that DDG is the best keeper in the world but he is simply not a reason why we are shite and Ralf is right, GK is probably the last position we need to focus on improving right now, we have much more urgent needs. We of course can get someone who is good on the ball but then people will be crying that he is not as good at saving shots as DDG.
The point was never that De Gea isn't making excellent saves though. It's that making saves is the only thing he's good at.
And the clubs where goalkeepers make the least saves are (unsurprisingly) the best clubs; City, Liverpool and Chelsea. Therefore they're the clubs where making saves is least important when compared to everything else that's expected of a goalkeeper.
The better the team, the less De Gea suits the team. And that's a problem for any team looking to get better.
Mendy is miles better in the air though. Honestly if your assessment is right and we don’t replace De Gea I don’t think we have any chance of competing for top honours. I’ll also predict that the CBS will continue to be branded failures until we get a better keeper in place who can handle more than just world class shot stopping. We are desperate for a keeper with a commanding presence!
What's the other part to this? Whether he's saying this for that reason, or for what other reason?
But that means De Gea is the last piece that needs changing. Fix the other 10 and then get back to De Gea - what's the point of looking to change the one thing that is working right now when all the areas are absolute trash
Rangnick doesn't want to out De Gea in the media. He knows that he will be replaced no doubt.
Easier to pick on positions where he doesn't have to out a single player.
Ah look, you can argue the two are similar on paper but Mourinho had a history of throwing tantrums and singling out players for abuse in order to cover his own tracks, whereas Ralf hasn't anything like that. Mourinho was hysterical in his criticisms and it felt really nasty whereas Ralf has generally been very calm and measured in his.
The way I see it is one did it out of spite to cover his tracks and the other knows he's only manager til the end of the season and is merely telling it like he out without any real malice. There's a big difference.
Yep, it's absolutely fair to argue that he's less of a priority than x many other problems. It's the idea that he isn't a problem at all that should be dismissed. At some point he has to go as part of this rebuild, it's just a question of timing and priorities.
I like Ralf and I think he should be put into a far more prominent position to advise this club going forward. That being said he’s done an objectively shocking job as manager. He’s failed to meet even basic expectations, I mean this squad is still more than good enough to get top 4 or at least begin to show some tactical influence. We have seen absolutely nothing and have put in some of the weakest performances I can remember from a Utd team. Hell he’s made our Mourinho team look like mentality monsters and they were appalling too.
Looking to the positives at least Ralf has now had a great chance to analyse each of the players and our hierarchy. We can now only hope hd gets put into a proper position of power and can influence real change in his favoured role, a more overseer role. I’ll reiterate though, as a manager he really has proven to be completely out of his depth.
Already addressed earlier in the thread, we conceded 43 goals that season, we won the league because we had an outstanding centre forward and outscored the opposition rather than being defensively solid.
I agree with this but it's slightly worrying that Ralf is sticking the knife into the club (rightly so) on how it's been run the last number of years. We all know our club doesn't like airing their dirty laundry in public. Hopefully it's not a sign of Ralf not being given a predominant role and he's just sticking 2 fingers up to them.
I don’t know how else to look at it!
Caf is a weird place sometimes, there are people who will find minutia of error on every single thing and make a mountain our of mole hill.
It's always been obvious DDG or the goalkeeping situation in general was going to be the lowest priority for Ralf or whoever takes over in the summer.
Despite the Caf wanting a sweeper keeper, we do not yet setup to play that way. Also Dave's limitations can be worked around to an extent in world where we play a high line. Allison and Ederson were practically the last piece of the puzzle at their respective clubs and I expect it'll be our last signing in a few years.
I'd imagine his priority for recruitment will be midfield, followed by fullbacks and a striker.
Despite the Caf wanting a sweeper keeper, we do not yet setup to play that way. Also Dave's limitations can be worked around to an extent in world where we play a high line. Allison and Ederson were practically the last piece of the puzzle at their respective clubs and I expect it'll be our last signing in a few years.
I'd imagine his priority for recruitment will be midfield, followed by fullbacks and a striker.
This is nonsense btw. He’s miles worse than the majority of modern keepers with his feet. Let’s also ignore the fact we have some great ball playing CBs. For all the valid criticism, Maguire, Lindelof and Varane are all decent under pressure and rarely give away massive errors from passing. Let’s also stop pretending that ball playing is De Geas biggest weakness, he is shocking at communication and controlling his area too which is a huge reason we have been so poor from set pieces and crosses. Oh and sweeping…
I think he finally lost any hope and patience with the players and doesn’t see any hope to redeem the season. The Norwich match, despite Ronaldo playing a blinder, we going 2-0 up, we were terribly close to losing.
The players are either unwilling or incapable of following instructions.
In these circumstances, especially with constant player briefings, it gives Ralf no advantage to keep maintaining a false pretence of a happy united camp. Its good that he has ignited this discussion, atleast it will put pressure on the board to make the changes. And maybe, though highly unlikely, these players develop some pride and try to prove him wrong on the pitch.
The players are either unwilling or incapable of following instructions.
In these circumstances, especially with constant player briefings, it gives Ralf no advantage to keep maintaining a false pretence of a happy united camp. Its good that he has ignited this discussion, atleast it will put pressure on the board to make the changes. And maybe, though highly unlikely, these players develop some pride and try to prove him wrong on the pitch.
Absolutely what needed to be said by Rangnick here. And to say it just before a game where everyone is expecting a pasting is a win win, if we get pummelled by Liverpool it will reinforce his point and if it gets the players to react and show some backbone, it will be helpful in the immediate short-term.
Funny that some are complaining that he didn't say we need a GK change. Even if we might do, de Gea has been top for him and why would he hang him out to dry when he's the only consistent performer? He's laid down the gauntlet to the players before our last run of matches, and to the board for the eventual rebuild from summer and onwards.
Immaculate.
Funny that some are complaining that he didn't say we need a GK change. Even if we might do, de Gea has been top for him and why would he hang him out to dry when he's the only consistent performer? He's laid down the gauntlet to the players before our last run of matches, and to the board for the eventual rebuild from summer and onwards.
Immaculate.
But it's only working in a reactive sense. The truth is that it's no bigger, or smaller a priority than any other. There's that much rubbish and scope for improvement in this team that you could quite literally start anywhere. You could argue that a different keeper might be more aggressive in his positioning. Therefore the team could play higher up the pitch, forcing errors closer to the oppositions goal. Perhaps a new keeper would be more comfortable in possession, allowing us to be more progressive and effective in beating the press. You can make a case for any position to be the first or last to be fixed.
Because Ragnick isn’t blaming the players individually. He’s blaming how we’ve recruited over the years to the whim of each manager who were entirely different in how they wanted to play leading to the unbalanced mess we have today. He’s saying the footballing structures haven’t been up to scratch - players have been signed as individuals not as part of a profile to benefit the collective. He isn’t making any judgement on their individual qualities as footballers. So if you look at the context it is entirely different than Jose slamming martial and rashford for proving him right to “always play lukaku” against Brighton or saying Shaw played with “my mind”.
Actually the three in bold stopped a smaller percentage of the crosses coming into their box than either Alisson or Ederson did this season.
Ederson: 9.7%
Allison: 9.1%
Pope: 8.7%
Pickford: 6.8%
Foster: 5.2%
De Gea: 3.3%