Rangnick - "Apart from goalkeeping we need to improve all areas of our squad" | Muppets amass

Trex said:
I don't think the board has turned their nose up at him, they've taken the step of hiring a manager with a clear playing philosophy, I just think he's trying to drive the point home using the fans via the media to ramp up pressure on the board.
We give the board stick but they actually hired him to do this because they knew whatever was wrong needed a specialist like him to address.
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I really, really hope you're right. It's what I thought when he was hired as interim and then consultant.

But the talk of Rashford and Shaw being offered new deals really worried me and now this. If he's being listened to and the the right moves are being made behind the scenes, there's no need to come out with all this publicly.
 
Hopefully that means a better manager knows that the goalkeeper is a major problem.
 
A lot of people have misunderstood the purpose of hiring Rangnick. His role was simply to survey and report on the strengths & weaknesses of the squad, his objective wasn’t to bring in masses of new players, which allowing for the timescale meant the January window as the only possibility anyway.
I’m certain his contract would have stipulated that he was interim coach, before moving up as technical manager.
 
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hobbers said:
All this hysterical drivel about De Gea.... at the end of the day he will be the very last player in the squad, along with Sancho, Varane and Bruno, who gets replaced or upgraded.

Mendy is even worse with his feet than De Gea but Chelsea do okay. Their Kepa experiment down that path ended in a £72m catastrophe.


Doesn't help that of those who go on about the keeper situation a big chunk are deluded Maguire apologists who can't accept his cards are marked. And another chunk are Henderson fanboys who haven't yet twigged that he's not fit to lace Ben Foster's boots let alone stake a claim to be a top keeper.
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We did quite well with Henderson in the team last season. I’m not saying he’s necessarily elite but can we stop pretending he’s useless as well. He’s still a promising young goalkeeper whose had an unfortunate wasted year due to our short cup runs.

De Gea is as others have said not the priority to improve upon. That being said I don’t think he’s worse with his feet than most goalkeepers. Alisson, Ederson, Neuer and Ter Stegen are ahead but otherwise I’d say De Gea is as capable as most others. The big difference is passing to Van Dijk and Dias instead of Maguire et al.
 
jesperjaap said:
Why are people moaning about what he has done as as a manager here?

I think the appointment has been a good one. He is an intelligent man and can now quite simply advise the board and new manager.....half this lots needs going and a major overhaul.....orf with there heads!!!!
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Precisely!
 
crossy1686 said:
Yep, whether you agree or not the following players won’t be here in the summer:

Pogba
Matic
Mata
Martial (maybe)
Cavani
Greenwood
VDB (maybe)
Henderson
Ronaldo (maybe)
Tuanzebe
Bailly
Jones

Three players this summer just won’t cut it unfortunately, not if we want to finish anywhere near the top 6.
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You missed Lingard, another player definitely on the way out.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Mourinho said things with an agenda and always with malice.

Rangnick is just telling it how it is - and we can all agree.
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And Rangnick isn't trying to save his job, he is doing his job or more precisely his future job.
 
He's speaking his observations. I don't believe the club's structure has been fixed. It's the same Ed Woodward PR band aid from 2 years ago. Spoiler, he just changed a couple job titles.

If Ralf doesn't call it out we'll remain in this state of delusion that things are finally good and end right back here in 3 years. With Ed gone Arnold has to listen and do some restructuring to actually resemble a football club with roles.
 
I think most Utd fans, or at least the sensible ones, will absolutely be on board the transformation of our team if it takes several (perhaps 4-5) transfer windows to get us to PL winning staus, so long as there is a modern, defined and ultimately winning principles behind it.

We have not had all the elements of the above in any of our managerial appointments post SAF era hence the chaotic nature of the squad and the subsequent football on offer. I for one, certainly laud RR for at least laying the lay of the land to the owners and advising them on implementing this, whether it actually occurs or not, time will tell!
 
diarm said:
There's also more to being a manager than taking 4 points from 2 games as a placeholder.

You continually mentioning Carrick as though his mighty rein is some sort of stick with which to beat Rangnick with is farcical.
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It’s the most recent interim example. We can use Ole’s if you like. It was considerably better too. And with a worse squad. If you don’t like the Carrick example we can just go on results. Since he’s been in charge we’ve failed to beat Young Boys, Burnley, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Villa, Watford, Leicester and Everton. We’ve amassed 33 points from 18 games. That’s shit.
 
RopersReturn said:
A lot of people have misunderstood the purpose of hiring Rangnick. His role was simply to survey and report on the strengths & weaknesses of the squad,
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No it wasn’t. His job was to finish top 4. He’s likely to fail miserably.
 
Isn't it obvious that we need midfielders, attackers and defenders?
 
diarm said:
I really, really hope you're right. It's what I thought when he was hired as interim and then consultant.

But the talk of Rashford and Shaw being offered new deals really worried me and now this. If he's being listened to and the the right moves are being made behind the scenes, there's no need to come out with all this publicly.
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He didn't attack the board though he just said the the job is bigger than for just the manager to handle, this was a previous mistake under the previous regimes that has been sorted when Murtough was made DOF, he is being smart as he's using the fans to his advantage and bigging up his role going forward.
 
acnumber9 said:
Our season is realistically done because Rangnick couldn’t muster the same response from the players that Carrick did.
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When ralf came in didn’t we go on a good run of games without losing? He got them playing and winning. We were one of the form teams of the season at one point during his tenure. The whole issue now is that the players don’t have the bottle to continue and improve on this and fight for everything. It’s been shown in recent weeks against, Everton, Atletico, Watford and Leicester. In some extent against Norwich they showed no fight for the cause and nearly blew it. Ralf inherited the players and team is doing what he can with what he has. It might not be what other managers can get from the same group but he’s done what he could and has built up a background knowledge of the squad and what needs changed when ETH takes over. It’s also been vital in showing the board what the missing link is between a winning squad and what we have here.

This is totally a new way forward for the club and if followed correctly it should set them in the right course. Taking time to choose the next manager and to have an interim manager who will then help in the board room after should be a stroke of genius so it’s both people singing from the same hymn sheet. We have plundered through hundreds of millions on players and still haven’t got the right results, Jose was our only real success which is sad, if he was backed with the right signings and sales then it may have been even more fruitful.
 
JB7 said:
We've been saying "with a decent back 4 in front of him" for 10 years now, it isn't happening, this guy would create panic with Rio & Vidic in front of him :lol:
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And yet the last full season Rio and Vidic played in front of him we won the league by a street. We have two good goalkeepers, we have no good right backs.....
 
acnumber9 said:
When Mourinho said things like this he was toxic. When Rangnick says it he’s loved for it.
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Ok. Let's just ignore what Ralf is saying then. Let's appoint Conte, watch him get sacked after a couple of years and we can go through this cycle again.

Enjoy supporting City in hope they swoop up all the titles so Liverpool don't win any.
 
Deery said:
It’s very strange management, just after a moral boosting 3-2 win he decides to put the boot in before a really hard game against Liverpool.

I’ve mentioned before some of his managerial decisions have been questionable, but was told I’m wrong Ralf is a genius, I’m not so sure.
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If he said we were the best team in the world with one or two new faces and we get tonked tonight (which we will no doubt about it) what does that say? Ralf has been honest and open the whole way through. Feck protecting these guys. They’ll all know top 4 means more money for them whether the manager or fans rate them or not. The least they can do is try for their own bank accounts
 
Ali Dia said:
If he said we were the best team in the world with one or two new faces and we get tonked tonight (which we will no doubt about it) what does that say? Ralf has been honest and open the whole way through. Feck protecting these guys. They’ll all know top 4 means more money for them whether the manager or fans rate them or not. The least they can do is try for their own bank accounts
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I don’t agree with this a top manager wouldn’t even come out with such a statement before a big game no matter how small a chance you have of winning, even if you truly believe it you keep it to yourself and try to keep moral and confidence high when it’s the best thing going for you at the moment.

Like the players or not 4th place is still a possibility and should be treated as such.
 
You think DeGea is a big issue? You put Alison or Ederson in goal at United and they will be a bigger calamity than DeGea.
 
acnumber9 said:
And? Either publicly criticising players is a bad thing or it isn’t.
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It’s obvious that mourinho was toxic & criticised even players who he bought for huge sums
It doesn’t reflect well on him

our interim manager is telling the truth that we all know
But he didn’t buy these guys & clearly states that recruitment is a big issue
 
hobbers said:
The only maybe is whether he's charged or not, either way he wont be playing for us.
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Then we’d have terminated his contract already. Why would we wait until the end of the season as if that serves as some sort of a milestone in this situation? He’s not out of contract in the summer. If he’s cleared, he’ll play.
 
acnumber9 said:
It’s the most recent interim example. We can use Ole’s if you like. It was considerably better too. And with a worse squad. If you don’t like the Carrick example we can just go on results. Since he’s been in charge we’ve failed to beat Young Boys, Burnley, Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Southampton, Villa, Watford, Leicester and Everton. We’ve amassed 33 points from 18 games. That’s shit.
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But unlike you, I was never judging an interim manager on short term results. If that was the most important thing to me, I would have been angry in December and asking why we hadn't signed a permanent coach then.

I was and remain excited about the long term impact he can have on a club that has spent close to a decade going all in on short term fixes. What he's saying today are the same things I've been saying since Van Gaal was here - making the neanderthals who own and run our club see the sense in that respect, is worth more than victories against Young Boys, Everton, Middlesbrough or anyone else this season.

If we finish 8th and with no trophies, but he lays the foundations that finally help establish the club as modern organisation, set up for success in the future, he'll be the best appointment we've made since Fergie.

Being willing to disregard his advise and expertise because his results as interim haven't been as good as Carrick's were over a 3 game spell is exactly the sort of shit the bed wisdom that has left us where we've been for 10 years.
 
acnumber9 said:
He didn’t spend £500m. It’s irrelevant though. Either publicly saying the players are shite is a problem or it isn’t.
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Ralf: the recruitment has been shite
Jose: the players are shite

The same thing, but also not the same thing.
 
Rangnick the consultant DoF is absolutely terrific. Fantastic that someone has gone to the board and been that blunt with them.
 
Hahaha. Wait, so you’re telling me yet another coach has said that DDG is not the problem? Caf coaches won’t be happy with that I’m sure. How dare he say that DDG is good enough. Hasn’t he looked at his xYGDP?

Forget who i asked to bet a $100 with the other day but if you’re reading this, ETH will come in and say the same thing because they’re not fools, real coaches.
 
Rozay said:
Then we’d have terminated his contract already. Why would we wait until the end of the season as if that serves as some sort of a milestone in this situation? He’s not out of contract in the summer. If he’s cleared, he’ll play.
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And you're totally ok with that after seeing the leaked audio/images? The law may let him off but those files will remain on the internet forever. Don't want him anywhere near the club.
 
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He's gone all in- two footed- to the board
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Manchester United are sad to announce that the club and Ralf Ragnick will be moving in different directions at the end of the season. We thank Ralf for his hardwork both on and off the pitch and wish him all the best for the future. We are pleased to announce David May as our new Director of Football and, after much consideration, Wes Brown as Interim Manager.
 
NickSantigo said:
The irony is Ole's first summer had similar outgoings with only 3 players coming in iirc. Destined to fail
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3 starters coming in wouldn't be a bad summer. We are overly bloated as it is. We can't fix it all in one window, but if we sell that chunk and sign a striker, right winger and a defensive midfielder, then it's a huge boost for next season. Then next January/summer after focus on the fullbacks/goalkeeper/another midfielder possibly depending on Garner's development?

You never actually need as much as you think.
 
Lentwood said:
Part of the problem for me stems from the old-fashioned “cult of the manager” that seems to prevail in British football, perhaps because historically we had great managers like Clough, SAF and Wenger who literally ran the club.

Nowadays, a good “manager” (usually Head Coach) is just one part of the puzzle. Klopp and Pep have enjoyed success as part of large teams overseen by world-class Sporting Directors. Bottom line, you can’t do it without the players and a manager is largely not responsible for incomings/outgoings in the modern game.

The number of people involved in making a modern football club a success is staggering, yet so many fans think you can change results or the direction of a club simply by changing the manager.
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I like Ralf. I have very little sway at OT, but he clearly reads my posts and passes them on to the Board.

Must have been a long-time lurker, since I posted this in 2020
 
Shark said:
And you're totally ok with that after seeing the leaked audio/images? The law may let him off but those files will remain on the internet forever. Don't want him anywhere near the club.
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If the audio/images are as conclusive as you’re making out then he won’t be cleared. It’s not my job to interpret them, without context, info etc. I’ll leave that to the courts. I’m not a fan of trial by media.

If he’s not guilty there’s no way the club will happily write off a 100m asset. I do accept that it will be incredibly hard for him though, even if acquitted. This country is governed by Twitter.
 
I don´t know what to say here, he is just saying what half of the CAF have been saying for a while here. I truly hope the new guy listens to him and does something to change this.
 
Rozay said:
Then we’d have terminated his contract already. Why would we wait until the end of the season as if that serves as some sort of a milestone in this situation? He’s not out of contract in the summer. If he’s cleared, he’ll play.
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If he’s cleared he’ll be flogged abroad. There is very little chance he plays for the club again.
 
AbusementPark said:
When ralf came in didn’t we go on a good run of games without losing? He got them playing and winning.
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We went on a run of playing the worst teams in the league. He won 3 of his first 4 league games and lost the 5th. We scored a grand total of 6 goals in those first 5 games against Palace, Norwich, Newcastle, Burnley and Wolves. I wouldn’t say he got us playing bar 45 minutes against Palace.
 
hobbers said:
No we wouldn't. If he's charged and convicted the club can just rip up the contract and save about £10m. If he escapes being charged the club will either try and negotiate a contract termination or try to quickly sell him off abroad somewhere. Whichever is more expedient.

He won't play for us again either way.
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If he’s cleared the club will have absolutely no grounds to negotiate a contract termination.

The very declaration of him not playing for the club again can only be predicated upon the presumption of guilt, which the club could not possibly take against a man who was legally innocent.
 
Ayoba said:
Ok. Let's just ignore what Ralf is saying then. Let's appoint Conte, watch him get sacked after a couple of years and we can go through this cycle again.

Enjoy supporting City in hope they swoop up all the titles so Liverpool don't win any.
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We were happy to ignore it when Mourinho said it. This isn’t about whether he’s right or wrong to believe what’s he said. It’s about the benefit of saying it in public right now.
 
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