He said 3 players won't do it if United are looking to compete any time soon, especially when you look at those who are leaving and will be sold. He also said with the right recruitment a club like United are only 3 windows (not seasons) away from being in a great position as long as they recruit the right players for the club.
Rangnick - "Apart from goalkeeping we need to improve all areas of our squad" | Muppets amass
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Some are going to have a shock when De Gea eventually leaves and we struggle for years to get a competent replacement. They'll be wishing we had someone as 'bad' as De Gea
We've already seen what it looks like, when we have someone as bad as de Gea. It started with Mourinho's final season and continued during Ole's 2 full seasons. I'm not even going to comment about his complete reluctance to come off his line or how his passing has gotten worse over the years. Purely from a shot-stopping persepective, he's had 3 bad to average seasons following his unreal season in 2017/18, which wasn't sustainable. This season, he's having another shot-stopping season that isn't sustainable, as he himself has shown.
These quotes are perplexing from a certain point of view. I'm constantly reading, how we now have structure in place that has a clear idea, how we want to play. Which is supposed to help the new manager and should we transition from one manager to another, so that a managerial change isn't that much of an issue as it used to be. On top of that, it's supposed to relieve responsibility from the manager by delegating certain tasks like the recruitment, for example. And yet, particularly the first tweet/quote reads like Rangnick doesn't think it has changed all that much, at least not yet. Furthermore, and I'll probably sound like a salty muppet here, but if we actually do have that structure in place, irrespective of who the new manager was/is going to be, then why weren't we in for Bruno Guimarães? The whole point, among other things, of Murtough and his team is supposed to be to bring in players that fit a certain style of football that we are trying to play with the hiring of ten Hag. Moreoever as Rangnick says in the third tweet, certain players are suited to different styles of football, so regardless whether we hired Conte or ten Hag, Bruno Guimarães would have worked for either, since he has range of qualities/attributes that both managers despite their different styles could use. Which then leads me to question, how good our set-up behind the scenes actually is, if they can't make the most obvious signing.
But you’re completely contradicting yourself. If we play a low block (which we don’t btw) then De Gea should be top on crosses claimed. He’s nowhere near because he’s rooted to his line regardless of system. Again Maguire on top form isn’t a problem.
Very obvious if you watch our games.
The issue is to identify which players to buy, which is something Liverpool are extremely good at and we are very poor at.
If you pay huge amounts for Maguire, Pogba, Sancho, AWB and Donny you would expect to get world class players who can perform well in several tactical systems, not just in one system which is optimal for one or two players with no overlap with the rest of the squad.
In 3-4 years I hope that all of the present starting XI have been replaced, Varane and Bruno might be the exceptions. We cannot afford to do it faster.
The board, Ole and our scouts have made an amazing number of mistake for a very very long time.
The issue is to identify which players to buy, which is something Liverpool are extremely good at and we are very poor at.
If you pay huge amounts for Maguire, Pogba, Sancho, AWB and Donny you would expect to get world class players who can perform well in several tactical systems, not just in one system which is optimal for one or two players with no overlap with the rest of the squad.
In 3-4 years I hope that all of the present starting XI have been replaced, Varane and Bruno might be the exceptions. We cannot afford to do it faster.
The board, Ole and our scouts have made an amazing number of mistake for a very very long time.
Yes, those pesky crappy low block teams like Brighton, Wolves, Arsenal, Leeds, Liverpool, Chelsea & City. All teams definitely not lauded for playing high lines or expansive football.
De Gea is not the right fit for a top team, and I doubt we win a major trophy with him in goal. Its not just about dealign with crosses, which he is still terrible at, but his inability to sweep or distribute. Watched Brentford recently and when they are in the opponents half, the goalie is outside his box pretty much the whole time. He sometimes sweeps as far up as the edge of the centre circle. Like many modern keepers he also helps them play out of a high press.
But as other say, our CBs are the priority. Jones has been stealing money for years, Bailly is calamity on ice, Lindelof was timid in his debut match and still is, simply not suited to the Premier League, while Maguire is as far from a truly top defender as you can imagine.
A moment of silence for the De Gea haters. Always makes me laugh when people put Ronaldo and DDG on top of their lists of players to get rid. Because that's how you start a rebuild... by removing your two best players.
That is one nonsensical line of argument.
US the fans have been saying this for a while, you would then wonder what those working at the club are smoking.
Ralf - I need help! It’s all too much, we need a 100 man team of back room staff. I can’t do it! Klopp gets all his extra help, it’s not fair!
Fergie - Phelan go get the cones. We are going to win the league with alexander buttner.
Bring back tradition.
Fergie - Phelan go get the cones. We are going to win the league with alexander buttner.
Bring back tradition.
I think it's pretty clear form watching us and the team building we've done over the last few years our scouting department is phoning it in. They start with 50,000 players then recommend Haaland or Mbappe as a transfer target, I mean, get to feck and do your job properly. I'm fairly certain I could have done a decent job just by recommending players who get really good on Football Manager in a few years.
Rangnick himself said he asked the recruitment department what data they had on that young German lad breaking through and he didn't fit their 'criteria' apparently. Make from that what you will but they should be the first department that gets overhauled.
Its absolutely astonishing that this was not done post Jose and we just hired Ole and pretended we didn't need to do all the things we said we would.
Wasted 3 years
Did he really say that when please share the link .
The constant harping back to Fergie is probably one of the reasons we're in such a mess.
We're a club massively behind the times, Fergie left 9 years ago. We have to fecking move on and modernise.
Ogden reported it: https://www.sportskeeda.com/footbal...tar-manchester-united-recruitment-team-s-list
Edit: He's French actually and out of contract in 2024. Thread on him somewhere.
Depends on outgoings really. Both Bailly and Jones seem to want out, which would leave the squad with just three CBs. Two of them have had their injury issues this season and the third is Maguire, who has been in woeful form.
Depending on how chips fall, that's more of a problem than GK where we at least know DDG will be here, will almost certainly be fit to play, has at least been in good form in terms of what he's actually good at and will have some sort of cover available on the bench.
It's hard to imagine a more ridiculous argument than banishing De Gea as the starting point for the squad rebuild. We have higher priorities. Allow me to list them:
RB
CB
CB
LB
CDM
CAM
RW
B2B
CF
I'm comfortable with Sancho at LW so no need to address that any time soon. But we clearly have a problem at each position on the back line, we clearly have problems across the board in midfield, and we clearly need to upgrade at RW and provide support for Ronaldo at CF. Ditching our best player this season, and undeniably the top shot-stopper on the planet wouldn't exactly be shrewd management.
Down the road, as Dave declines, of course we'll need to upgrade on him. If there's an outstanding young keeper who's mentally prepared to be Dave's backup for a season or two let's bring him in, but if anyone is seriously suggesting Henderson as the answer right now -- not sure about recent posts here, but not that long ago he was bigged up as superior to Dave -- that person needs to have a word with himself.
Dave has weaknesses to his game, as do most other keepers. But Dave isn't responsible for Maguire's poor performances the last two seasons, nor AWB's and neither Shaw's strangely poor season after a brilliant run last season. Dave isn't responsible for the poor performances of our "defensive midfielders" either.
RB
CB
CB
LB
CDM
CAM
RW
B2B
CF
I'm comfortable with Sancho at LW so no need to address that any time soon. But we clearly have a problem at each position on the back line, we clearly have problems across the board in midfield, and we clearly need to upgrade at RW and provide support for Ronaldo at CF. Ditching our best player this season, and undeniably the top shot-stopper on the planet wouldn't exactly be shrewd management.
Down the road, as Dave declines, of course we'll need to upgrade on him. If there's an outstanding young keeper who's mentally prepared to be Dave's backup for a season or two let's bring him in, but if anyone is seriously suggesting Henderson as the answer right now -- not sure about recent posts here, but not that long ago he was bigged up as superior to Dave -- that person needs to have a word with himself.
Dave has weaknesses to his game, as do most other keepers. But Dave isn't responsible for Maguire's poor performances the last two seasons, nor AWB's and neither Shaw's strangely poor season after a brilliant run last season. Dave isn't responsible for the poor performances of our "defensive midfielders" either.
So basically nothing usual BS by Odgen and you not only bought it but embellished it further .
Or a reporter that has close ties to the club had an actual scoop? Weird how some of you only chose to believe what you want to believe.
"Usual bs by Ogden." Until he was the one to break the story that we were going for Ten Hag which was then followed by every other reliable journalist. Journalists can be unrelieable but you just pick and choose what stories you deem BS or not
I actually am expecting different. The penny has dropped that if we decline beyond a certain point then the cash stops coming in and the resale value goes down the toilet. The parasite business model has reached its logical conclusion.
Did you read all Ralf's quotes or just the headline? He basically said De Gea was great for him, but if the new manager wants a more modern style keeper then a new goalkeeper will also need to be signed.
We need so much that it wouldn't surprise me if De Gea is still #1 next season. I would be massively, MASSIVELY, surprised if he's still #1 the following season.
I commented in the Nkunku thread that I don't really believe that report by Ogden. Mostly because Ogden hasn't had a clue in years and Nkunku is too obvious of a target to not have information on. I still like to believe that things actually have changed with the hiring of ten Hag and us not going for Conte. It's also not clear what our scouting department and analysts have recommended, without having seen the final lists they gave the previous managers. Basically I'm wondering how good the people are, that are going to work with ten Hag.
It feels cathartic to hear Ralf be honest about the players
See you blame the lack of high line on Maguire but I’ll blame it De Gea again. Personally thought we looked so much more solid with Hendo and he’s hardly spectacular but much better at every element of keeping aside from shot stopping. Maguire was part of that side and we definitely played a higher line than now.
It’s nice to have these comments in the public domain where the owners cannot hide from it.
I guess the difference between Rangnick and Mourinho saying these things is Rangnick’s is objective and not self-serving.
I guess the difference between Rangnick and Mourinho saying these things is Rangnick’s is objective and not self-serving.
Lets see if he gets a reaction today
Well Ogden was the first to name Ten Hag, he get's more right than he get's wrong but people only remember the wrong one's for some reason. You look at our signings over the last few years and Nkunku doesn't fit our target demographic, I would bet we'd sign Neymar or Griezmann over him.
Mitten spoke about how United recruit, he said they have 3 targets and start negotiations for them all, then pull the trigger on one and let the other two down if the first choice comes through, and the manager get's final say. He said a good example is when we signed Rojo (I think it was him anyway), we had Michael Keane all but ready to put pen to paper and we cancelled the transfer for Rojo instead. So it's clear our scouting department is putting lists together but they don't know what style of play they're recruiting for so now they just recommend players like Cavani, Zlatan, Maguire etc.
From this lot
I fully expect them to all be personally offended and put in half a shift with zero self pride.
The full De Gea quotes:
Not quite the endorsement the snippet in the thread title suggests.
And crucially it's in response to a direct question about whether De Gea specifically is a problem, as opposed to the broader quotes which don't single out any individuals.
I am not so sure he is an average manager. We really need to rebuild this football club. I am sure he would be very up for the task as a manager tbh.
That said, he has been working as a Football Director lately and it seems he fits that bill great.
Erik ten Hag, his people and Rangnick with current staff can be very good for us. I’m very excited.
Whilst I agree we need a major overhaul, RR should be doing better with the current squad he has at his disposal. Our team on paper is better than the likes of Burnley, Everton, Watford, Southampton, Middlesborough, etc, yet all of those teams took points off us. In M'boro's case, they obviously knocked us out of the FA Cup.
Now, yes we need better players, but RR was brought in on a short term basis to get the best of what we have, and that should have been more than enough to beat the aforementioned teams. He recently spoke about not being able to score past an Everton side that conceded three against Burnley, but what is he doing to solve that problem? From where i'm standing, it seems that I'm watching the same shit all the time. Our system remains the same most of the time, as do the players and we're so predictable to play against. I can obviously imagine RR and his team are going through stuff in training regards our attacking play but lets be honest, it's not working. We still rely on individual moments.
Now, yes we need better players, but RR was brought in on a short term basis to get the best of what we have, and that should have been more than enough to beat the aforementioned teams. He recently spoke about not being able to score past an Everton side that conceded three against Burnley, but what is he doing to solve that problem? From where i'm standing, it seems that I'm watching the same shit all the time. Our system remains the same most of the time, as do the players and we're so predictable to play against. I can obviously imagine RR and his team are going through stuff in training regards our attacking play but lets be honest, it's not working. We still rely on individual moments.
Ya. There will be a collective tools down movement. And even Ronaldo may not be there to give some motivation.
Rashford may tweet about hurt feelings. Thank God there is no international break for Pogba to mouth off
They're playing like Ralf has told them collectively they won't be playing for United in a season or so, and especially based on today's quote's. I doubt they've got a reaction in them.
To be honest, I wrote this within seconds of having to join a Zoom meeting.
The point was whether he's providing clear direction of travel going forwards (representing the view of the board) or whether he's saying this in the media because he's tried to have the conversation with the board and they aren't listening i.e. still want to buy 1-3 players in summer and go for one big priced player like Rice. Renew Jones, Bailly, keep Ronaldo and Martial etc.
I see quite a lot of people saying this and it's strange. Basically every single defensive stat improved significantly when Henderson took over from De Gea last season. Was he perfect? Hell no, and there are definite questions over whether he'd be good enough long-term. But his period in goal last season just so happened to coincide with our defence as a whole looking more settled than at any other time in the last four seasons, and statistically also conceding the least in that time. Is it really a coincidence?
18/19 - 54 goals in 38 matches
19/20 - 36 goals in 38 matches
20/21 - 29 goals in 24 games (De Gea)
20/21 - 9 goals in 10 games (Henderson)
21/22 - 44 goals in 32 games
Note that 20/21 doesn't add up to 38 games, as I don't want to include the couple of random games that Henderson had in the early part of the season or that De Gea had at the end, as goalkeepers really should get a run of games. That would just swing things even further towards Henderson though.
So in terms of goals conceded per game, that's averages of 1.42, 0.95, 1.2 and 1.37 for De Gea. An average of 1.23 in total over the last four season. Henderson had 0.9.
Ralf just telling it how it is, I love it.
We went though a period of losing once in 18 games with ralf in charge this season, not too bad. Yes Carrick won 2 and drew one of his 3 games but would he have been the one to bring the team to the next level? Ralf came in and couldn’t buy anyone so had to work with the team that got ole sacked and he’s done the best he possibly could. I’d expect the majority of the team to be binned next season.
Absolutely.
I mean, you could make a strong argument that we need upgrades in every position on the pitch. Every single one, in including Varane who is injured more than he's fit these days.
Well said Ralf. It's been obvious for a while but good to see he has the balls to say it. Let's see if the board listens.
Won't be a quick fix though - for this summer, I'd hope for 4/5 new signings and then promoting youth as our squad players.
Assuming we get the right type of signings in, should still have a competitive squad...
GK - De Gea/Henderson (possibly new backup keeper)
RB - Dalot/Laird
CB - Varane/Maguire
CB - New signing/Lindelof
LB - Shaw/Telles/Fernandez
DM - New signing/Garner
CM - New signing/Fred/Hannibal
AM - Bruno/VdB
RW - New signing/Pellistri/Amad
LW - Sancho/Rashford
ST - Ronaldo/Martial
Probably need a new striker too but I think Martial/Ronaldo will end up staying and we address it the summer after (along with the full backs).
Won't be a quick fix though - for this summer, I'd hope for 4/5 new signings and then promoting youth as our squad players.
Assuming we get the right type of signings in, should still have a competitive squad...
GK - De Gea/Henderson (possibly new backup keeper)
RB - Dalot/Laird
CB - Varane/Maguire
CB - New signing/Lindelof
LB - Shaw/Telles/Fernandez
DM - New signing/Garner
CM - New signing/Fred/Hannibal
AM - Bruno/VdB
RW - New signing/Pellistri/Amad
LW - Sancho/Rashford
ST - Ronaldo/Martial
Probably need a new striker too but I think Martial/Ronaldo will end up staying and we address it the summer after (along with the full backs).
