Tell me one formation that fits us with the players we have.
Ralf’s 4-2-2-2
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4231 would be fine if we put some coaching to it. Sancho in particular looks like a good fit, Greenwood can do a job in the right as well. This is a fine formation for our limited midfielders.
433 would be also fine with Matic sitting behind Fred and van de Beek / Pogba. It means that we can still have 3 forwards in more of a free roles.
Like I said, I don't see any benefit to 4222 now or the future.
Firstly, I find it very short sighted.
Secondly, we don't create enough chances so having two strikers instead of one makes even less sense. It's a catch 22, we don't create chances, so we add another striker, makes it even more difficult to control the game and create chances. That's not a Ralf's thing, we did it under Ole as well.
Makes little sense to me, "let's give it more time" some say - yeah sure, but I don't understand where we're heading.
433…
we don’t have the athletic box to box 6’s, playing Sancho as a semi 10 puts him too narrow, while the same for Fernandes puts him too wide.
A 433 generally requires a good holding defensive midfielder. We have none, except Matic. Unfortunately his legs are gone.
I'd say a 442. We have good, fast wingers and decent strikers. McT and Fred are actually decent central midfielders.
Ralf's 4222 is actually a 442 in defense and more a 226 in attack. Imo it's actually better than asking one of or both McT and Fred to play as some makeshift defensive midfielder. Both lack the brain and passing ability to play there.
Only problem with a 442 is the vulnerability in front of zone 14. But that wouldn't be solved without a natural capable defensive midfielder anyway. In Ole's time to compensate for this we played with 2 DM but most of the time our zone 14 was still very exposed.
Once we can buy a good defensive midfielder then imo definitely a 433 with one of McT/Fred as the support b2b and Bruno as the advanced playmaker.
I hope we try out the diamond soon.
433 will be a fit but Bruno needs to be benched. We will have to play Matic as DM with one of Scott or Fred and Pogba/Donny.
Midfield is still an issue whichever formation you take
Nah Matic would be fine in 3 man midfield. It's just we play 2 man midfield in a front heavy team, with little support from attackers.
But we never play 3 man midfield.
Prime Matic yes, not the current Matic. He'd do ok against a weak opponent but against any decent one it'll be a disaster imo.
Its not working is it? Just exacerbates the teams obvious flaws, which is a lack of control in midfield so it makes no sense to play 2 upfront!
Cannot continue. Riot if it does.
This. Plus it exposes us badly on the wings.
The most incredible thing is their total lack of a minimum ability in stopping and passing the ball at 2 meters
It's shit and not helping the shit players.
Its crap, he should play another system or bring someone else in.
More prehistoric than ole football
Ralf is a dud.
He's talked a good game but isn't remotely close walking the walk.
There aren't many signs of tangible improvement since taking over from Carrick and Mckenna.
He's talked a good game but isn't remotely close walking the walk.
There aren't many signs of tangible improvement since taking over from Carrick and Mckenna.
I don’t think RR can achieve what he thinks he can at United. The players are definitely not:
A) buying this system - they look lost
B) not good enough for it
C) clever enough to implement it
RR is also naive to think he can pull it off in the PL. Wolves again highlighting how open the system is. It’s almost 442
A) buying this system - they look lost
B) not good enough for it
C) clever enough to implement it
RR is also naive to think he can pull it off in the PL. Wolves again highlighting how open the system is. It’s almost 442
This team will kill me.
He definitely looks naive at the moment. This 4-2-2-2 system was supposed to bring control but we haven't really controlled any of the games thus far.
It's as bad as anything under Ole so far. Arguably worse.
It is worse. Awful.
I'm really not seeing what he's trying to achieve. The only thing that's changed from the previous regime is our best players haven't been playing everything else has been the same
We need 3 in midfield
It's not working. But it doesn't excuse the players lacking the ability to pass a football or fight for 2nd balls.
Rangnick surely will have to recognise now that we don't have a strong enough midfield to handle this formation, and our weak midfield is not supported by a technically and mobile central defense to compensate, or from hard working wide attackers. We need 3 in the middle.
Rangnick surely will have to recognise now that we don't have a strong enough midfield to handle this formation, and our weak midfield is not supported by a technically and mobile central defense to compensate, or from hard working wide attackers. We need 3 in the middle.
We never got outplayed under LVG
I know it’s still early days, but I’m definitely getting LVG vibes lately.
This is the worst football we've played since Fergie retired which is quite an achievement.
You're not being serious?
What use is he if we’re getting outplayed by every single team we’ve faced? Absolutely horrific start for him, but the results have somehow gone our way so there’s that.
We’d generally lose 6 or 7 nil against a decent side this is fecking rubbish.
its so obviously not working at the moment
the players are all wrong for this system
the players are all wrong for this system
Out of form yes, but it's clear fernandes is needed
Not working at all at the moment. If our back line isn't going push up and condense the pitch then we can't also have Greenwood and Sancho pushing up against their CBs. Whatever we're supposed to be playing on paper, this is basically just Ole's 4-2-4.
Myriad of other problems on the field of course, but I feel like this is glaringly obvious.
Myriad of other problems on the field of course, but I feel like this is glaringly obvious.
Let’s face it, it’s not 4222. It’s 442. 4222 is when you have number 10 wide. We have wingers playing wingers and static forwards. It’s bog standard 442 from the 1990s. Well actually Fergie’s ones were more complex with more technical players.
We've played two excellent passes in this half, one from Greenwood and one from Shaw, that should both have led to goals but bizarre and greedy decision making from Sancho and Cavani cost the team badly. I'd take them both off for that reason and tell them why. Its unacceptable.
Aside from those two passes the general play has been, well, probably not even mid table standard
Aside from those two passes the general play has been, well, probably not even mid table standard
This formation is making our midfield even more exposed than it was before. Cavani, Ronaldo, Greenwood and Sancho together is calling for trouble, as is the Matic-McTominay pairing. We defend all over the place, all while failing to control the ball. Everyone is trying to score, therefore there is no one between the 4 strikers and defenders. Atrocious stuff, expected more from Rangnick, who for all his talk, does not learn from his mistakes.
We controlled games under LVG most games we had 80% possession, our problem was creativity. I dont remember teams playing us off the park under him.