Press conference vs Villareal at home

I am really glad to hear Ole talk about attacking “too fast” and having no control. Maybe I’ve miscast him as completely dismissive of possession play and obsessed with super fast transitions as the one and only way to attack.

We’re a big team with technically superior players to most. We shouldn’t be constantly stupidly giving over possession by mindlessly lumping balls up the field or sprinting and taking potshots.
You can not have a possession attacking play when Pogba and Bruno will release 10 or more each game those eye catching killing pass, almost 90% ended up wasted and giving back possession to other.

Old need to control his players. Pogba is playing at his own game, wanted more assist or goals than a win for the team I guess.
 
I don’t quite understand what he means when he said “we attacked too fast” against Villa. Does he want us to keep possession first, let Villa regroup then attack them when they are sitting deep? I’m not trying to bash him, just genuinely confused.
 
I don’t quite understand what he means when he said “we attacked too fast” against Villa. Does he want us to keep possession first, let Villa regroup then attack them when they are sitting deep? I’m not trying to bash him, just genuinely confused.
I think he just meant we were too impatient. Simple as that. Too quick to get shots away rather than wait for the right opportunity.
 
He's nearing the out of his depth zone isn't he?
 
"I have not read that. Of course you are working on your style of play, your patterns. The Aston Villa game we broke up play really well, attacked maybe too fast. Gary knows that. Maybe we did it too fast.
"I don't think I've seen any game with less efficient playing time. It was 44 minutes the ref gave us, but 45 minutes of effective playing time is one of the lowest I've ever seen, normal 55, 60.
"If you slow it down too much it might be a low-block again. We know Villarreal will defend well. We need to play quickly, but Gary knows what DNA is here at the club."

Attacked too fast?
44 45 55 60?


What the actual feck is that all about?
 
Put us down for 3-0 mate. Think we will be really up for this one. Maybe a penalty or 2.?
Well we have too be. Imagine Varane, Ronaldo signing then we go out in the group also Bruno and the rest for 2nd year in a row. This is a must win
 
They don't want him to fail as a personal thing. But they do want the best for United and don't believe Ole is best for United. That's where it is from.

It is possible to want United to win and have reservations about the person currently in charge. His comments like "The Aston Villa game we broke up play really well, attacked maybe too fast" just serve to reinforce existing misgivings about him.

Ultimately no one can get on their high horse about this. Everyone backs the manager until they don't. Just different people have different breaking points. Just like people here criticized fans for turning on Moyes, va Gaal or Mourinho saying "why do you want them to fail" ....they eventually turned too.

If we continue to play like this and not improve, sooner or later everyone will be saying the same thing.
Yea we need a poll to see the data swing in real time.
 
You poor sods. We will trash them 3-0. Ole is here to stay. Get used to it.

No chance we score 3 against them, unless they will forfeit the match. I hope my anti-jinx works
 
Have to admit that from being 100% "Ole In", I am now absolutely sick to death of the guff that he spills out.
 
So you are ok with "it's not a must win game" if so then might want to raise your expectations a bit, yes I get him defending the players but certain this has closed the door on any prospects of Donny ever getting a proper go which is so sad. We also might be able to slow down the fast counters IF we had someone half decent on the ball not your deadly duo.
I’m really not bothered what a manager says in a press conference. SAF used to talk total bollocks in them for a host of different reasons, as did Jose. LvG’s were genuinely enjoyable because he was honest and a character. Sadly (because I really like him) they didn’t turn his managerial stint at United into a success.

In Ole’s case, his authentic-sounding Manc accent isn’t helpful as it lulls people into forgetting that English isn’t his first language.

I certainly don’t set my expectations on what a manager says in pressers either. And recent results and performances have clearly not been good enough. Everyone at the club will think so.

And while I agree that Donny deserves more of a chance, I’m struggling to see what Ole said here that makes you so “certain” that doors have been closed.
 
I don’t quite understand what he means when he said “we attacked too fast” against Villa. Does he want us to keep possession first, let Villa regroup then attack them when they are sitting deep? I’m not trying to bash him, just genuinely confused.
He’s talked about this numerous times before. Rather than being patient we go for the killer pass too often. Obviously in transition we play quickly - that’s our entire modus operandi but there were numerous times Bruno when deep and the defence was set tried to play through balls that were never remotely on. The issue is we have Bruno/Pogba and that’s their game - and when it comes off it’s brilliant. It’s a balancing act.

He’s absolutely bang on about the ball in play thing. From minute one Martinez was taking hours over goal kicks. And this has been happening all season. Less and less football is being played - it’s a joke. They need to bring in the clock stopping change fifa are talking about.
 
I (and don't believe am in the minority here would give everything just to win this). Penalty,VAR check,don't care.To begin the season with 0 or 1 pts, with a trip to Spain, plus Atalanta doesn't sound good to me...
1-0
 
I’m really not bothered what a manager says in a press conference. SAF used to talk total bollocks in them for a host of different reasons, as did Jose. LvG’s were genuinely enjoyable because he was honest and a character. Sadly (because I really like him) they didn’t turn his managerial stint at United into a success.

In Ole’s case, his authentic-sounding Manc accent isn’t helpful as it lulls people into forgetting that English isn’t his first language.

I certainly don’t set my expectations on what a manager says in pressers either. And recent results and performances have clearly not been good enough. Everyone at the club will think so.

And while I agree that Donny deserves more of a chance, I’m struggling to see what Ole said here that makes you so “certain” that doors have been closed.
Unfortunately you’re totally wrong.

When you won multiple trophy’s over a span of two decades then you can say whatever you want. You can even tell Neil Custis to literally fuqoff. That’s what success gives you. Freedom.

Ole hasn’t won anything so far. We play like shit with probably the best squad in the PL. Then everything matters. Every word will be micro analyzed. Even his body language. Even good intensions will be twisted. That’s what failure do to high profile managers. Being a failure with Cardiff gives you sympathy. Being a failure with United is a nightmare that follows him forever.

Those of you trying to dismiss the importance of his pressers just make it worse. When the board will sack him, and they will if this continues then his “famous” quotes will be used against him.
 
Unfortunately you’re totally wrong.

When you won multiple trophy’s over a span of two decades then you can say whatever you want. You can even tell Neil Custis to literally fuqoff. That’s what success gives you. Freedom.

Ole hasn’t won anything so far. We play like shit with probably the best squad in the PL. Then everything matters. Every word will be micro analyzed. Even his body language. Even good intensions will be twisted. That’s what failure do to high profile managers. Being a failure with Cardiff gives you sympathy. Being a failure with United is a nightmare that follows him forever.

Those of you trying to dismiss the importance of his pressers just make it worse. When the board will sack him, and they will if this continues then his “famous” quotes will be used against him.

That’s a train-wreck of a post. You seem to think that ludicrous over-analysis of every word he says in a press conference is justified because of bad results. That’s an explanation, not a justification.
 
Unfortunately you’re totally wrong.

When you won multiple trophy’s over a span of two decades then you can say whatever you want. You can even tell Neil Custis to literally fuqoff. That’s what success gives you. Freedom.

Ole hasn’t won anything so far. We play like shit with probably the best squad in the PL. Then everything matters. Every word will be micro analyzed. Even his body language. Even good intensions will be twisted. That’s what failure do to high profile managers. Being a failure with Cardiff gives you sympathy. Being a failure with United is a nightmare that follows him forever.

Those of you trying to dismiss the importance of his pressers just make it worse. When the board will sack him, and they will if this continues then his “famous” quotes will be used against him.

What he says in press conferences will have zero impact on whether or not he keeps his job, unless he rocks in wearing a LUHG t-shirt and shouting feck the Glazers.
 
That’s a train-wreck of a post. You seem to think that ludicrous over-analysis of every word he says in a press conference is justified because of bad results. That’s an explanation, not a justification.
You’re funny. Let’s talk when he’s sacked and his quotes is floating around.
 
"I have not read that. Of course you are working on your style of play, your patterns. The Aston Villa game we broke up play really well, attacked maybe too fast. Gary knows that. Maybe we did it too fast.
"I don't think I've seen any game with less efficient playing time. It was 44 minutes the ref gave us, but 45 minutes of effective playing time is one of the lowest I've ever seen, normal 55, 60.
"If you slow it down too much it might be a low-block again. We know Villarreal will defend well. We need to play quickly, but Gary knows what DNA is here at the club."

Attacked too fast?
44 45 55 60?


What the actual feck is that all about?

It's total drivel. But people get far too worked up about press conferences - it's what happens on the pitch that ultimately matters.
 
What he says in press conferences will have zero impact on whether or not he keeps his job, unless he rocks in wearing a LUHG t-shirt and shouting feck the Glazers.

That would be absolutely amazing. I wonder if Jose was nearing that level of unhinged lunacy in his final dark days - he'd probably have gone with a "Hate United, Hate Pogba, Hate Martial, Hate Pep, Hate United fans, but especially Hate Ed Woodward" t-shirt, though. Might have had to be more of a onesie actually, for that amount of lettering.
 
I’m not sure what else he’s supposed to say . He isn’t going to slate a player and he’s not going to say McFred is there because we’ve nothing else.
 
A draw tonight. We all know Villarreal will work their socks off, press our midfield into making mistakes and attack on the break. I hope I’m wrong and we win 3-0 but I just case how especially after the Villa game. It’ll be the same against Everton. Benitez hates United and will gee up his players into a frenzy. Again, a very difficult game not as it used to be. With City away at Liverpool, this is another opportunity to get to the top of the PL. Let’s hope we can take it.
 
I worry we'll slow down too much in the wrong way There's two things going in that we do rush attacks and concede possession, especially with Bruno and Pogba, we also don't look around and just shoot. We're also famous for slow ponderous passing by the rest of the team, we dwell on the ball and get easily blocked or marked. We need quicker passing and movement to beat presses and open teams up. If a team like ours reacts to simple instructions our main attack from counters and through balls will happen less often and teams will be back defending.
 
It’s remarkable the way Manchester United consistently turns unbreakable footballers into mere mortals. Maguire the latest in a long list.
It’s not that bad? He’s played nigh on every minute for two seasons. I think he rushed back from first injury at the back end of first season getting into the Euros. Ole said he’ll be a few weeks out now, but his availability for us will still be 90/95% in his time here.
 
"I have not read that. Of course you are working on your style of play, your patterns. The Aston Villa game we broke up play really well, attacked maybe too fast. Gary knows that. Maybe we did it too fast.
"I don't think I've seen any game with less efficient playing time. It was 44 minutes the ref gave us, but 45 minutes of effective playing time is one of the lowest I've ever seen, normal 55, 60.
"If you slow it down too much it might be a low-block again. We know Villarreal will defend well. We need to play quickly, but Gary knows what DNA is here at the club."

Attacked too fast?
44 45 55 60?


What the actual feck is that all about?

I just watched the clip and he didn't say 44 (repeats himself twice about 45).

What he's saying is that out of the 90 minutes available in a match the average active playing time is 55-60 minutes where the ball is in play (i.e. not in keepers hands or waiting for keeper restart of play, kick-offs, throw-ins, corners free-kicks, substitutions, dropped balls by ref (like at the end which wasted another minute) or otherwise ref holding up play to give orders) but in the Villa game it was only 45min of active play. That he thinks the ref could have done more to get the ball faster back in play. But that we also could maybe have held the ball longer in the team when prodding for a way through their low block, instead of attacking/shooting fast (into blocked shots a lot of the time) which led to more stops in active play.
 
A loss tomorrow and the beginning of the end is on the table. Media and especially the British press will hunt him down, make no mistake, sooner or later. They smell blood.

He’s starting to lose faith even from his most loyal supporters, the day when match goers don’t cheer him out is the moment when it’s over.

October will probably be his make or brake month. Can’t see him survive if we lose a couple of more crucial games where we look toothless.

For the record. I don’t want him out yet but I’m not blind. A lot of us oldies have seen this before.


If I had a pound for everytime this one has been cracked since he been in the job, around the same time every year, and when we have a massive match coming up, he's apparently a game away from being sacked. It's absolute nonsense.
 
A loss tomorrow and the beginning of the end is on the table. Media and especially the British press will hunt him down, make no mistake, sooner or later. They smell blood.

He’s starting to lose faith even from his most loyal supporters, the day when match goers don’t cheer him out is the moment when it’s over.

October will probably be his make or brake month. Can’t see him survive if we lose a couple of more crucial games where we look toothless.

For the record. I don’t want him out yet but I’m not blind. A lot of us oldies have seen this before.
You can tell by the questions his tactical competence is now coming into focus. Outside of our fans I don’t think this has really been discussed in the media where he’s been given a fairly easy ride for the most part until now.


Ole Been given a fairly easy ride by the media? What :lol:


Serious tactically brains with the journos......must have missed them grilling managers over the years
 
I just watched the clip and he didn't say 44 (repeats himself twice about 45).

What he's saying is that out of the 90 minutes available in a match the average active playing time is 55-60 minutes where the ball is in play (i.e. not in keepers hands or waiting for keeper restart of play, kick-offs, throw-ins, corners free-kicks, substitutions, dropped balls by ref (like at the end which wasted another minute) or otherwise ref holding up play to give orders) but in the Villa game it was only 45min of active play. That he thinks the ref could have done more to get the ball faster back in play. But that we also could maybe have held the ball longer in the team when prodding for a way through their low block, instead of attacking/shooting fast (into blocked shots a lot of the time) which led to more stops in active play.
Which is right, and the fans in the ground absolutely noticed this. The amount of groaning and whistling because of the insane amount of time wasting was crazy. It felt like the ball was hardly in play for long parts of the game.
 
"I have not read that. Of course you are working on your style of play, your patterns. The Aston Villa game we broke up play really well, attacked maybe too fast. Gary knows that. Maybe we did it too fast.
"I don't think I've seen any game with less efficient playing time. It was 44 minutes the ref gave us, but 45 minutes of effective playing time is one of the lowest I've ever seen, normal 55, 60.
"If you slow it down too much it might be a low-block again. We know Villarreal will defend well. We need to play quickly, but Gary knows what DNA is here at the club."

Attacked too fast?
44 45 55 60?


What the actual feck is that all about?

I think he meant that we were forcing it too much rather than taking some control on the game. I'm a bit annoyed he didn't stick the boot into the ref for allowing villa to waste so much time.
 
That’s a train-wreck of a post. You seem to think that ludicrous over-analysis of every word he says in a press conference is justified because of bad results. That’s an explanation, not a justification.
Sorry by I didn’t have time to give you a better answer last time. I’m sitting on a Hotel veranda in Cascais Portugal, it’s windy, cold and my internet sucks. Anyway.

Explanation or Justification. Does it matter?

Botton line is that what you say matters. If you’re successful then you have more freedom to talk BS or yada yada. And the opposite. Journalists quote his words and then they speculate in the newspapers. Pundits talks about it.Supporters do the same. Justified? Maybe not but it doesn’t matter. Like Madonna says about cheating boyfriends. Talk is cheap. Same when you’re a high profile manager and underachieve. You words will be used against you. Fair? No but that’s not how it works. So your words matters. Otherwise people would‘t use ML Kings Freedom speech as a blueprint or sound like Clint Eastwood when they trying to be cool. Does it ring a bell Pogue? Being cool or the smartest guy in the room. (Sorry - just me being a dikkhead)

Ole, rightly or wrongly, mostly talks yada yada. Says nothing of importance. Water is wet and sky’s are blue. That works when you have credibility, success on the bank or a trophy cabinet in your name. Why is it so hard to understand that everything he says matters? its not super important but it counts in the end.
 
Sorry by I didn’t have time to give you a better answer last time. I’m sitting on a Hotel veranda in Cascais Portugal, it’s windy, cold and my internet sucks. Anyway.

Explanation or Justification. Does it matter?

Botton line is that what you say matters. If you’re successful then you have more freedom to talk BS or yada yada. And the opposite. Journalists quote his words and then they speculate in the newspapers. Pundits talks about it.Supporters do the same. Justified? Maybe not but it doesn’t matter. Like Madonna says about cheating boyfriends. Talk is cheap. Same when you’re a high profile manager and underachieve. You words will be used against you. Fair? No but that’s not how it works. So your words matters. Otherwise people would‘t use ML Kings Freedom speech as a blueprint or sound like Clint Eastwood when they trying to be cool. Does it ring a bell Pogue? Being cool or the smartest guy in the room. (Sorry - just me being a dikkhead)

Ole, rightly or wrongly, mostly talks yada yada. Says nothing of importance. Water is wet and sky’s are blue. That works when you have credibility, success on the bank or a trophy cabinet in your name. Why is it so hard to understand that everything he says matters? its not super important but it counts in the end.

I don’t really agree but just wanted to say Cascais is a lovely place, isn’t it?!
 
Unfortunately you’re totally wrong.

When you won multiple trophy’s over a span of two decades then you can say whatever you want. You can even tell Neil Custis to literally fuqoff. That’s what success gives you. Freedom.

Ole hasn’t won anything so far. We play like shit with probably the best squad in the PL. Then everything matters. Every word will be micro analyzed. Even his body language. Even good intensions will be twisted. That’s what failure do to high profile managers. Being a failure with Cardiff gives you sympathy. Being a failure with United is a nightmare that follows him forever.

Those of you trying to dismiss the importance of his pressers just make it worse. When the board will sack him, and they will if this continues then his “famous” quotes will be used against him.
I see you deliberately didn't highlight "as did Jose" :)

I don't read the tabloids. Is there actually any evidence that this is actually happening? Criticism of Ole seems to be expressed in pretty general terms; I haven't seen any specific targeting of him and his quotes. Compared to the treatment of LvG, or AVB at Chelsea and Spurs, it all seems pretty benign. And I certainly haven't noticed any Moyes-type gaffes like "I don't know what to do to get this team to win" or "hope we make it hard for Newcastle at Old Trafford". If anything, it's Ole's extreme canniness that makes his pressers so dull. While they remain dull, few outside certain Caf zealots will pay much attention to them.
 
I see you deliberately didn't highlight "as did Jose" :)

I don't read the tabloids. Is there actually any evidence that this is actually happening? Criticism of Ole seems to be expressed in pretty general terms; I haven't seen any specific targeting of him and his quotes. Compared to the treatment of LvG, or AVB at Chelsea and Spurs, it all seems pretty benign. And I certainly haven't noticed any Moyes-type gaffes like "I don't know what to do to get this team to win" or "hope we make it hard for Newcastle at Old Trafford". If anything, it's Ole's extreme canniness that makes his pressers so dull. While they remain dull, few outside certain Caf zealots will pay much attention to them.

Blaming the refs recently was pretty embarrassing. Same way I'd laugh at Klopp for blaming the wind.
Legit ignores questions about modern football and instead just harps on passion

I don't care that he backs his players in press conferences but I do wish he would hold them accountable for their mistakes that cost us games. Example he could say anything he wants about Fred being important, but his awful play should have him benched for a game or two. Show the players there are standards.
 
Might as well post the 'post match vs Villarreal' thread now so we can all get our meltdowns out of our system early
 
1-0 Ronaldo winner. Villarreal don’t score many goals themselves and they will play quite negative so i reckon our defence can keep them out
 
I don’t quite understand what he means when he said “we attacked too fast” against Villa. Does he want us to keep possession first, let Villa regroup then attack them when they are sitting deep? I’m not trying to bash him, just genuinely confused.

Teams need to realize when to attack with a long ball or quick attack and when not to. There were many times during the Villa match where they attacked and held possession for a few minutes at a time and then we got control of the ball. We made one or two passes and then tried a tough speculative ball. Possession was lost and Villa attacked again. I distinctly remember one involving Bruno with a hopeful pass to Greenwood. I screamed at the TV because it was so obviously we needed some possession. After the play I saw Ronaldo make a keep calm gesture with his hands.

We played really stupid and made really poor decisions. Ole needs to fix that quickly.
 
I don’t really agree but just wanted to say Cascais is a lovely place, isn’t it?!
Bruno’s little brother Coco Fernadez just parked outside my restaurant. Blue metallic Audi something with all the extras. Cocky little bastard but nice haircut.

Yeah it’s nice her but next month we go to Funchal Madeira. Better weather, nicer place. Ronaldo’s place. Maybe something to think about in the future


Ole isn’t the smartest guy around. Nothing wrong with that but because of this he needs to be careful with his words. Klopp and Pep are more articulated. More sophisticated. More bite, less bark. Ole is the opposite.

With success he ca say whatever he wants but for now shit comments will bite him in the arse when we continue to lose. If I would advise him it will be to be more authentic. Less BS. Stop smiling and sound like a cheerleader.
 
You can not have a possession attacking play when Pogba and Bruno will release 10 or more each game those eye catching killing pass, almost 90% ended up wasted and giving back possession to other.

Old need to control his players. Pogba is playing at his own game, wanted more assist or goals than a win for the team I guess.

Don't believe it stems from selfishness, it's simply our tactic. Get the ball as fast as possible to our creative players and let them do their "magic",
 
1-0 Ronaldo winner. Villarreal don’t score many goals themselves and they will play quite negative so i reckon our defence can keep them out

I can just imagine Ronaldo sat in our dressing room going “Lads, It’s Villarreal”

Don’t understand the negativity. I think we’ll start with an attacking team and win this comfortably.
 
"I have not read that. Of course you are working on your style of play, your patterns. The Aston Villa game we broke up play really well, attacked maybe too fast. Gary knows that. Maybe we did it too fast.
"I don't think I've seen any game with less efficient playing time. It was 44 minutes the ref gave us, but 45 minutes of effective playing time is one of the lowest I've ever seen, normal 55, 60.
"If you slow it down too much it might be a low-block again. We know Villarreal will defend well. We need to play quickly, but Gary knows what DNA is here at the club."

Attacked too fast?
44 45 55 60?


What the actual feck is that all about?

That entire segment addressing Gary Neville's style of play comments is such a confused mess