Ronaldo isn't a student of the game?.......
Premier League: Cristiano Ronaldo interview (Warning! It's another Messi V Ronaldo thread)
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No because Pogba isn't one of the Goats of football and gone toe to toe with the best player ever. The fact that you are trying to compare it this way is honestly hilarious.
Pogba hasn't won a league title since his loan spell at Juventus, big difference.
Why do you insist on massive oversimplifying every point that gets made, rather than actually stopping to think about the subtleties of the argument?
This is not a "Ronaldo good", "Ronaldo bad" argument, like you seem to want to make it. I am simply pointing out that I think our players are collectively responsible for the mess we are in and I don't think Ronaldo is in some way exempt from that.
There's one thing being the best player, but the understanding on this forum of what constitutes an "elite mentality" is laughable. An elite mentality for me is a player who elevates and encourages their teammates, who leads by example. The likes of McTominay, Rashford, Greenwood, Fred, Maguire, AWB and Shaw have had an absolute battering...but I never see their effort drop-off. So at what point is just battering them further counter-productive? At what point is it better to actually get behind them and show a bit of support? They are human beings.
I've been critical of Rashford, for example, over the years, but lately I just feel sorry for him. Confidence is rock-bottom, he needs an arm round him, not more criticism now.
If not Ronaldo then who‘s more qualified to raise concerns about our winning mentality and culture?
Instead of question the messenger with cheap shots maybe it‘s better for both players and supporters to address the problem and discuss how to change things to the better and move forward.
Sir Alex started his time with us with cleaning the deck. Remove the bad apples. Bad behaviors or not performing with enough effort and quality had consequences. Stars, youngsters or established squad players didn’t matter, the bar was the same for everyone. That’s probably the best way both then and now to set the standard and show what‘s expected from being a United player.
One of the mistakes that Ole made was that he thought that if he gives the players freedom and a arm around their shoulder they would reward him with 100% commitment and professionalism on and outside the pitch. His intentions was good but he misjudged some of his players characters and what a few bad apples could do to disrupt the squad harmony and affect our results. The irony is that Mourinho tried to do the opposite but in his case his confrontational and polarized personality made him too unpopular among both players, media and our board room. His assessment of the problem was probably close to the truth but his methods and management was questionable. So where to do next? Maybe something inbetween cuddling and military methods.
Reward those who‘re willing to adapt to the new regime. Stop renewing contracts to mediocrity and half arsed performances. Clean the deck from those who’re not willing accept changes. Take the short term pain like selling a few of our darlings and show the rest that the clubs well being is above them all. That’s my take on this. As much as I despise Arteta aka Little Pep I have to admit that his approach against Arsenals bad apples and underachievers has been successful. Arsenal finally looks like a modern team playing together.
Instead of question the messenger with cheap shots maybe it‘s better for both players and supporters to address the problem and discuss how to change things to the better and move forward.
Sir Alex started his time with us with cleaning the deck. Remove the bad apples. Bad behaviors or not performing with enough effort and quality had consequences. Stars, youngsters or established squad players didn’t matter, the bar was the same for everyone. That’s probably the best way both then and now to set the standard and show what‘s expected from being a United player.
One of the mistakes that Ole made was that he thought that if he gives the players freedom and a arm around their shoulder they would reward him with 100% commitment and professionalism on and outside the pitch. His intentions was good but he misjudged some of his players characters and what a few bad apples could do to disrupt the squad harmony and affect our results. The irony is that Mourinho tried to do the opposite but in his case his confrontational and polarized personality made him too unpopular among both players, media and our board room. His assessment of the problem was probably close to the truth but his methods and management was questionable. So where to do next? Maybe something inbetween cuddling and military methods.
Reward those who‘re willing to adapt to the new regime. Stop renewing contracts to mediocrity and half arsed performances. Clean the deck from those who’re not willing accept changes. Take the short term pain like selling a few of our darlings and show the rest that the clubs well being is above them all. That’s my take on this. As much as I despise Arteta aka Little Pep I have to admit that his approach against Arsenals bad apples and underachievers has been successful. Arsenal finally looks like a modern team playing together.
My post literally says keep it in house. He can criticise his teammates to their faces and not to the media. We already have so much bad press right now. All this encourages is more people to abuse Rashford and Greenwood. I'd love to know why you think it's a good thing to talk shit to the media when the club already has a lot of problems.
Ronaldo has not been performing at a world class level for us.
He doesn't need to be world class. He's one of the greatest the play the game. He has also one of the best players to ever play for united. He more than any knows what it means to be a united player and winner.
Also he isn't talking shit he is being honest. If these can't listen to Ronaldo and he has to do this to get the message out to them then I'm all for it. I'd blame everyone of them before him.
Nooo. The only players whose efforts haven't dropped off are McTominay and Fred. The rest of them have. It literally just happened with Rashford the last game
When Ronaldo came as a kid, the player establishment at United were Keane, Van Nistletooy, Scholes and Giggs.
Ruud had issues with United, Keane criticized youngsters, Sir Alex booted both out because he had the trust in the youngsters he had at his hand would win him trophies.
When Ronaldo has came back now, the player establishment is Rashford, Pogba, Maguire, Shaw, Degea. If the had the desire and attitude, they would have already won United something. They clearly lack that character. They need to be booted out.
Ruud had issues with United, Keane criticized youngsters, Sir Alex booted both out because he had the trust in the youngsters he had at his hand would win him trophies.
When Ronaldo has came back now, the player establishment is Rashford, Pogba, Maguire, Shaw, Degea. If the had the desire and attitude, they would have already won United something. They clearly lack that character. They need to be booted out.
Nothing has worked !!! Nothing. Players need to be out-ted. The culture in the club needs to be out-ted. That is the only way anything will change. The squad is full of overpaid players who are not giving 100 %. And they have the nerve to leak crap to the media about a coach whose been there for a handful of games. It's ridiculous.
These players need to understand that they are the problem. Whatever criticisms is coming there way is deserved. If they can't handle the criticism then they can leave. If they want the criticisms to stop how about instead of complaining of late sessions how they stay in voluntary for late sessions. Instead of moaning about the coach's tactics, how about they give the new coach the benefit of the doubt, commit a 100 % because they been producing bad results.
Why should the fans feel sorry for these players ? If it's too much for them, that's fair enough. In the summer they can leave and in the end we will be left with the ones who are actually committed.
This is the culture in UTD. They are not committed. They don't care about winning trophies. I knew this season was done as soon as the leaks came out about players whining about late night sessions. Fans need to realize that this team is not salvageable. For the next couple months, I don't care if we make UCL next season or not. All I would like to see is Rangnick identify whose committed and whose not. And in the summer when we have a new manager, we can work on shipping the so called 17 who want out and rebuild from there.
There are serious issues at the club if no one is at the gym after training sessions. Where is the resolve to improve? Or do they not care? Nevertheless, the management should make gym mandatory everyday.
Yea ones a United legend, one isn't.If you can’t see the difference in class between De Gea and Ronaldo…..
Aw we used to have saf and Harrison drumming this into the players from an early age. Now a 'manager' doesn't have time for that stuff, I hate modern football I'm getting older like Ronaldo but surely these things should be innate or drilled into the players. Weep
We really should get Ronaldo the captain's armband and have commit to another 2 years REGARDLESS of UCL football.
Would he do it? Difficult. But if one puts forth there is a challenge in bringing United back to glory, one last hurrah, it could appeal to him (as well as the money).
This man OOZES the United mentality, a winner's mentality.
Would he do it? Difficult. But if one puts forth there is a challenge in bringing United back to glory, one last hurrah, it could appeal to him (as well as the money).
This man OOZES the United mentality, a winner's mentality.
Do you think Liverpool players do the same? Stop blaming modern football because that is just a convenient excuse to skirt around the fact that the twats who play for us don't seem to give a shit
Loved the part about destroying things to later build.
Wow, anyone that questions this man, his effort, mentality or work rate, watch just from 5 minutes to 8 minutes, so much to take just from that alone.
If he went public with this, maybe he thought talking to them in private has resulted in feck all ?
Good post I'd agree.
Your 2) reminds of the Palace match where he looked absolutely gashed around 60'. He could barely move anymore or even trap a ball without the ball boucing three yards away. His legs were simply done.
If we want a full game of intense pressing like Liverpool or City the very first thing is to drop Ronaldo imo. I'm very happy Ralf was able to bench him last match. That means the board was backing him. Let's see if the board still back him in the next games.
I am saying for years that new generation of players are snowflakes.
Delusions. Saying he can't say anything because how he plays. He had slumps over his career and he overcame them. He'll bounce back at some point. The other players? Not so sure.
Ronnie going semi-public has effectively given Ragnick public backing and shifted the focus entirely on to the squad. There were a ton of rumours about him being against Ragnick that pretty much disappeared over night when he said "he needs time to change the culture and mentality of the squad". He probably went public because he knows that will pressure the ownership, leverage the fans and give the manager the power and support needed to complete the changes he believes are necessary for the situation to change. As if to demonstrate his point about mentality Rooney chimes in a few hours later with Ronnie being wrong that Man Utd should aim for top 3, and should always aim for top 1. This moves the conversation entirely over to player mentality and recruitment policy. (Ragnick's strength)
Maybe this is what it takes for the owners to start selling players and start buying again? He is the only player in the squad who has the position, history, and influence to not have his words simply dismissed as whining.
As for Greenwood - maybe he needs this? Greenwood is extraordinarily talented, but maybe he - a 20 year old - needs to have the right people around him? We don't know who Ronnie wants gone, but it is entirely possible that Greenwood's development into a world class player is hindered by influential members of the squad being a bad influence. Ronnie specifically said "I am not talking about the youngsters in the squad, but this generation" , before that he talked about the atmosphere he grew up in, something he clearly believes senior players are responsible for. He even mentions that some players are strongly impacted by media coverage and talks about developing inner self confidence. It's all very much geared towards providing young players with an atmosphere to succeed.
Ronaldo wants to seem like away from the problem rather than part of the problem - just like his fans.
At least he has identified the problems at United. A man who has won everything there to win. He has won more trophies for United than anyone else in the squad has. He has not thrown neither Ole not Ralf under the bus like some other players already have as soon as Ole is gone.
He obviously does not mean Glazers out. He's talking about having the means to fix this right now.
Ronaldo made some valid points in his interview, but to match the ambition that he wants the club to have, he, as the main striker, also has to perform better for that to happen.
Now, he did well enough in the CL, United would have gotten 2nd at best if he was not there, but his performances in the PL leaves something to be desired.
Now, he did well enough in the CL, United would have gotten 2nd at best if he was not there, but his performances in the PL leaves something to be desired.
So it's Ronaldo and Rashford all alone at the training ground all day and night
You can call Ronaldo the problem if you want, but there are far bigger problems within this squad that he is trying to address.
We should all know by now that there is a fragility and a lack of accountability in this squad. We can all see it so get behind him.
We should all know by now that there is a fragility and a lack of accountability in this squad. We can all see it so get behind him.
I must have missed that part from his interview. Sounds like a dig at Ralf imo.
Ronaldo isn't playing like one of the best players ever, and that's what matters. My entire point is that history doesn't matter and if using a "he's a winner" is the logic we are going to use, Pogba is a winner by every definition.
It seems to have Gina completely over your head, as usual.
I don't think that anyone including Ronaldo is exempt from any criticism based on current form.
You thinking Ronaldo does not have elite mentality is more laughable tbh, it is clear who in our squad has that mentality.
Let me give you one example: Ronaldo done an interview, he wants to push for trophies, top 3.
Maguire gets an interview after a loss and says "I am here because I have to be", that is not a leaders mentality taking ownership as captain.
Also, effort? Shaw, AWB walk back, Rashford does not even go for a rebound of the keeper? walking with his head down? That to me is lack of effort in game.
There is one thing being out of form and another not trying.
He clearly is talking about the manager. And he's undermining the manager publically, because he doesn't seem enthused about having to put in a shift.
I completely agree the players don't care and it's on them also. We used to be so different though.
There is something called elite mentality and one that is deluded. If you think at this stage we can push for winning the league, you have bigger problems than you think.
Saying we need to win the league from our position shows why they dont have elite mentality, just saying we need to do that.
Ronaldo is top scorer? I am not saying he is the best runner, presser in the team.
Carry on putting 0 context, these players you name are meant to be in their prime, Ronaldo is 36. It just shows how good he is if you want to compare a 24 year old to 36 year old. yet, he has more goals, not stat paddling goals either.
I think you are confused, a top mentality does not mean you compare oh we finished 2nd and we are targeting top 3 means his mentality is poor, ofcourse you don't put context into play.
So you think Ronaldo's mentality is the reason we are where we are in the league is laughable.
Again, who cares that he's 36. All I care about as a United fan is performances. If he can't put in a shift because he's 36, then he should be dropped.
Repeating your ad-lapidum doesn't make it any less laughable. If you don't think the mentality of someone refusing to move around the pitch and is only concerned with waiting for chances to be put on a platter for him, then that sums it all up.
Context? Here's the context. We finished last season 2nd. We spent a bunch of money including bringing back Ronaldo and making him the highest paid player of the league. After hearing his fanboys repeatedly claim he'll take us one step further, we have regressed so badly with him that people like you are insisting finishing 3rd (after a better second half of the season) would be an achievement.
That's laughable. And we won't lower our expectations. It's up to Ronaldo to improve his overall play and do what real leaders do - elevate their teams
Stop putting words in my mouth.
Could you highlight where have I said finishing 3rd is an achievement? Or are you making things up to fit your narrative?
Also, I will criticise Ronaldo for his performances, he hasn't played well in alot of the games. That does not mean he does not have an influence in the dressing room.
Also, Ronaldo is probably the only one who can finish. Greenwood has 5 goals 2 assists this season, Rashford has 3 goals 1 assist and the one you think is the worst player at Untied has 14 goals 3 assists and according to you he doesnt even try.
We have players like Rashford and Greenwood who think when they get the ball they are playing in the park with their mates and they can dribble past 4 man and shoot from every angle, every distance.
Ronaldo was not the only person we signed, do you think Varane and Sancho have lacked effort and quality too and they are bad players too?