If that's the case they all need to do one.
Premier League: Cristiano Ronaldo interview (Warning! It's another Messi V Ronaldo thread)
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He isn't, though. 6 open play goals while taking the second most shots out of anyone in the league and doing literally nothing else doesn't translate into good performances. His overall play is diabolocally bad. When he can't be bothered to press, pass, or do anything besides wait for changes to be put on a silver platter for him, the others are going to laugh at him.
Which is what's happening.
I don't care about open play goals, ask Bruno about his missed pen. Shit still need to be converted and not everyone is good at that.
If he ain't the 2nd best player after DDG, who is ? Please do tell. Everything you are saying in terms of criticizing Ronaldo doesn't give me one valid reason as to why his advices should be bypassed by a bunch of players who have won nothing of note in their careers
When Ronaldo joined the culture was completely different, and the team had a winning mentality and high standards. So the likes of him and Rooney had great players to look up to and a great manager as well, and they had no option but to meet those standards.
It's the complete opposite now, and he won't be able to change that alone. It has to come from all the senior players in the team, but in reality most of them are actually as bad as the rest.
It's the complete opposite now, and he won't be able to change that alone. It has to come from all the senior players in the team, but in reality most of them are actually as bad as the rest.
Why would any of what you're saying above make any difference to what that other poster said?
Microcompany is just a company with a small number of employees, donating facemasks is awesome but irrelevant to the point. Yes or No question: if his priority was solely on playing as much football as possible and being the best player he could be, would he still be at United?
It's not like the decision to stay was entirely up to him though is it ? Our club have had this nasty tendency of keeping players who aren't good enough and even extend for no particular reason whatsoever. Him wanting to go on loan at West Ham last season showed that he still cares about his footballing career in a way.
He was exceptional at West Ham. Did he shut down his company for the duration of that loan? Or maybe the few hours of downtime he spends each week thinking about his company isn’t the issue?
True legends of any sport didn't achieve their status on talent alone and every one of them would have been given the same words of wisdom (valid criticisms) from the players and coaches they looked up to.
We have a squad with an uncomfortable number of players who don't care what it takes to be the best because they think that just putting on that shirt makes them top dogs and nothing could be further from the truth. Wearing the jersey for any of these massive clubs is just the starting point, the hard work then begins by justifying your place in the squad with the right mentality, being at your peak physically and constantly trying to improve your game (or adjusting based on the needs of the team)
I often think some of our players would prefer a 5 second slot in an Adidas commercial than they would a league cup. A little Twitter apology and a promise that the next game will be better (it never is) followed be a few pics for the club's official social media of the lads putting in some "intensive" training. By Thursday those pictures are the boys posing like the Avengers and the club asking if I need a $400 pair of Maui Jim's for a sunny day clash at OT against Brighton. This is where we get picked apart again.
We have honestly been an embarrassment for a long time now and if any if our 0.001%'s have an issue with this observation and opinion from Ronaldo then they don't know what it means to be a professional athlete.
We have a squad with an uncomfortable number of players who don't care what it takes to be the best because they think that just putting on that shirt makes them top dogs and nothing could be further from the truth. Wearing the jersey for any of these massive clubs is just the starting point, the hard work then begins by justifying your place in the squad with the right mentality, being at your peak physically and constantly trying to improve your game (or adjusting based on the needs of the team)
I often think some of our players would prefer a 5 second slot in an Adidas commercial than they would a league cup. A little Twitter apology and a promise that the next game will be better (it never is) followed be a few pics for the club's official social media of the lads putting in some "intensive" training. By Thursday those pictures are the boys posing like the Avengers and the club asking if I need a $400 pair of Maui Jim's for a sunny day clash at OT against Brighton. This is where we get picked apart again.
We have honestly been an embarrassment for a long time now and if any if our 0.001%'s have an issue with this observation and opinion from Ronaldo then they don't know what it means to be a professional athlete.
But that's a no for literally any player that's ever played the game. They're not machines, they're people. Back then, they'd get wasted at the pub and smoke 3 packs of cigarettes while banging a couple of groupies here and there, now they branch out into media/business opportunities (they did back then as well, but not quite as easily as it is today). There isn't a single player that's ever existed who's priority was solely on playing as much football as possible. There are other things in life and footballers aren't immune to them.
Ronaldo knows nothing. He had never experience the joy of not winning anything year after year or getting relegated 4 times as our captain had.
He's overpaid as well. People keep bringing up everyone else being overpaid but we are paying Ronaldo the wages he would get in his prime. He is long past being that player. And he'll feck off as well asap unless we fluke the CL.
Its a company with a revenue of less than £625k. Its hardly a timesink, especially when its managed by other people.
I bought stock for £200k this morning. Took me 1 hour.
Agreed, If he was a property tycoon like that Fowler fella, nobody would say a word.
It's also quite easy to tell who watched the interview and who only read the out-of-context tweets. Some of the reactions in this thread are completely OTT.
He did not throw any of our players under the bus if you watch the entire interview rather than reading excerpts.
8 minutes onwards if you so incline to watch it.
As other posters have already said, his company isn’t a small thing. He has held release partys, lost £100,000’s and obviously he has had to put in time and stress to it with promoting it.
You make a very fair point that he has admitted to having mental health struggles which I applaud him for. That is surely the biggest factor in his bad form as you say but I don’t agree with dismissing his business as a non factor.
Also strongly disagree that he should have had more chances at Utd. He has had more than enough chance to prove himself, most people would say too many chances and he has failed. Don’t get me wrong though, I really like Jesse as a person and he has had his good moments here.
I agree he was exceptional at West Ham there is no denying that. However being good at a small club doesn’t translate to being good at Man Utd. Also you are ignoring the years of terrible performances before he went to West Ham. Didn’t he go like almost 50 games without an assist or goal? Maybe that is the period when he wasn’t fully focused. I am not saying his focus on his business was the only reason for his bad form. Either way sometimes it’s best for both parties to part ways.
You and I have a very different definition of throwing under the bus my friend. Throwing under the bus was what Mourinho did when he specifically named and blame players. Overall I think he is trying to be more positive about the situation.
Yes that's why CR's introduction to this dressing room has been a culture shock and not just for the youngsters. In his interview he maintained the club had enough talent, but that the mentality was not right. Given CR's achievements at United and elsewhere in his career then you would hope his fellow players, young and older, would think he is worth listening to, but it seems as though some do not!.
Group development dynamics requires different phases to be passed through; forming, storming, norming and then performing. Looks like we have entered the 'storming phase' just now, with everybody giving their twopence worth and blaming everyone but themselves.
Been part of real Madrid, man United and Portugals most successful squads ever. If he's saying somethings wrong with attitudes, then something is wrong with attitudes
Oh sorry, I didn't realise Neville is the pinnacle. He called the whole team whingebags, including Bruno too.
We finished 2nd but if thats your argument its actually poor, we didn't play any better than we have this season.
Why only Ronaldo? I think this is an issue for the whole team.
I guess in your opinion we were charging at Villa like wolves last game without ROnaldo.
This summer it was on Ole, agreed, but he has never really been a started for multiple seasons.
Yes of course and this isn't specific to Lingard, it was a post about how it does seem some players get into a first team and think that's it, they plateau and just ride out their careers. It's easy for us to say as fans of course but then this ofrum wouldn't exist if it weren't for fan opinions. We know very little about him in reality apart from JLingz as a brand is something he purposely advertises on the pitch whilst playing for United. I think footballers should diversify their wealth and I'm sure Lingard is a good guy but I think it's fair to say it looks, from the outside at least, like he's been content being a well paid bench player for a long time now.
You didn't answer my question FYI.
To be honest I'm pretty sure the clothing part you're looking at loses money, that's not really relevant as I said before in the same way the fact it's a microcompany doesn't make ay difference. Of course he's not managing it, he's a professional footballer. He doesn't just call up Ragnick and be like 'I'm working on JLingz stuff today but see you tomorrow at training'
I know the caf loves an extreme take but he's clearly going to training and doing all the things he should do, it's just that he's 30 at the end of this year and he's only just looking to be leaving to get 1st team footy.So we've a collection of players who are no longer happy as the standards Ronaldo expects and demands of his team mates means they can no longer coast through their United careers.
Nah,he would be crossing a line if he started taking names(Like Keane in 2005).I actually thought his interview was refreshingly honest,it wasn’t the usual PR BS stunt.It was a honest,riveting interview….Hopefully some of the players will take his advice on board and get us out of this mess.
I do. Because football is much more than penalties. There's a reason United sit at 7th now and every player is playing worse after he's joined.
As far as your last point is concerned, Paul Pogba was an integral part of the world cup winning team. Using that logic, Ronaldo should shut up and take advice from Pogba.
Exactly. The highest paid player in the league for what's been pedestrian at best. It's been disappointing in every sense.
No, this was a purchase for a Q3 delivery of sneakers from a up and coming Danish brand.
But, we do have an in-house apparel brand that we employ one designer to work on. She receives feedback and ideas and churns out templates. Its low cost basic apparel so no need for large tech packages.
The reason I'm so opinionated about this particular aspect of Jesse's daily life (JLingz) is because this is quite literally my dayjob. I've worked with small startups similar to JLingz and I'm fortunate enough to work with some of the biggest brands in my particular industry.
When it was started Im sure he put a lot of his spare time into it, without a question. You typically do when you start a new company, even a tiny startup that you primarily fund.
However: Jesse doesnt design his apparel, nor does he create the ads, setup the website or do customer service. His main contribution is: Cash and feedback.
Unless he employs someone in the UK, the apparel design is simply templates of ready-to-go manufacturing products in Pakistan (I believe I saw that somewhere a couple years ago but Im only willing to be 90% sure) where is inventory is manufactured. The factory has in-house designers that do the logo-design and artwork of the apparel themselves. There is nothing unique or special about the clothes themselves, the only thing that makes them unique is the brandlogo and artwork, the fabric, fitting and color is found on many, many other brands who manufacture at the same factory.
Jesses friends are also the ones that make that whole process move, wich consists of some emails that includes wishes, and back and forth exchanges that can include a lookbook and comments to what they want on a particular garnment. This does genuinely not take an incredible amount of effort.
There is no question in my mind that Jesses sole contrubution to the JLingz brand is: Looking at lookbooks once per season and saying what he likes, making the very occasional IG video, chat with his mates and have opinions on what he wants to make since he's seen something somewhere. I get that £300k sounds like a lot of debt, but its genuinely not.
The time to be annoyed about focus on JLingz was at launch before the Liverpool game. Today the entity is not even worth mentioning.
Ronaldo is a winner, he has a real, powerful strong mentality.
I bet he is frustrated to see a few of his teammates with sad faces, he must be asking himself, what is wrong with them ?
Are they not up to the challenge ? What are they doing here ?
Managers created, rewarded, tolerated this behaviour for years.
Ronaldos words give me hope that finally the club is acknowledging we need to get rid of these characters with a losing mentality.
Manchester United must wake up from this nightmare and start behaving, playing like winners but first you need the personnel.
I bet he is frustrated to see a few of his teammates with sad faces, he must be asking himself, what is wrong with them ?
Are they not up to the challenge ? What are they doing here ?
Managers created, rewarded, tolerated this behaviour for years.
Ronaldos words give me hope that finally the club is acknowledging we need to get rid of these characters with a losing mentality.
Manchester United must wake up from this nightmare and start behaving, playing like winners but first you need the personnel.
He was unhappy with the way Ronaldo showed his frustration on the pitch towards his teammates and then storming down the tunnel after Newcastle. In the same segment, he also insisted that Ronaldo should start every game. So, context matters.
No because because 1 cup, albeit the World Cup, doesn't define an entire career. Are you really serious with you mentioning Pogba here
? Ronaldo is our eldest player and is outperforming most of the squad, make of that what you will. If I were the players he mentioned, I'd be fecking embarrassed tbh.
@tomaldinho1 I agree. I just wanted to say that Lingard, despite all we say, tried to revive his career. It shows football matters to him
On the one hand I have zero issue with Ronaldo expecting and demanding high standards from those around him off the pitch. That's what senior leaders should be doing and one of the pluses of having him here. So all that stuff surrounding the professionalism of the players is fine.
However, there should be some reservations about his influence on the pitch. He is well past his best, in the final years of his career and that's showing in different ways in his performances. The profile of CF he now is is also at odds with what a lot of top teams would demand from that position, where overall contribution to the team matters more than simply scoring goals.
Ronaldo (like all players in that dressing room) will have his own idea of what's wrong with the side and what needs to change for things to improve. And (as with most players) his interpretation of the way the side should play will invariably involve him being played regularly in a role that suits him. But there will very soon come a point (if it isn't here already) where the best thing for the team is for him not to be in it, a decision he will inevitably disagree with. I suspect we're much closer to being at that point than Ronaldo thinks we are. And when we are at that point I'm not sure his status, influence and intense attitude will still be a positive in the dressing room. As with someone like Roy Keane, that drive is perhaps a double-edged sword.
However, there should be some reservations about his influence on the pitch. He is well past his best, in the final years of his career and that's showing in different ways in his performances. The profile of CF he now is is also at odds with what a lot of top teams would demand from that position, where overall contribution to the team matters more than simply scoring goals.
Ronaldo (like all players in that dressing room) will have his own idea of what's wrong with the side and what needs to change for things to improve. And (as with most players) his interpretation of the way the side should play will invariably involve him being played regularly in a role that suits him. But there will very soon come a point (if it isn't here already) where the best thing for the team is for him not to be in it, a decision he will inevitably disagree with. I suspect we're much closer to being at that point than Ronaldo thinks we are. And when we are at that point I'm not sure his status, influence and intense attitude will still be a positive in the dressing room. As with someone like Roy Keane, that drive is perhaps a double-edged sword.
Good post. I defo agree with everything
Giving Ole 3 years has been disastrous for the mentality of this club. Every player had it far too easy and now they're shocked when they're expected to do "anything". I remember the story from Fergie's teams. Those men were warriors. Nothing less than 100% was expected from them. And if a player didn't give his all... oh boy, the hairdryer was coming. I've said it alraedy, but this squad has talent, more than enough to challenge even for the title, but you can't win nothing with wet flannels. Players like Maguire, Shaw, Greenwood, Rashford, Lingard, AWB, etc wouldn't even last a minute in United of old. Not because they lack the ability, but because they lack a winner's attitude.
Roy wasn't ousted for his post-match comments, he was ousted because he dared talk back to Ferguson and Queiroz in the meeting that followed. Even threw a few insults at Queiroz from what I remember and as much as I love Keane, that is simply unacceptable for a player and he was rightly cut.
Or he knows a lot about Ronaldo's mentality, having played with him for a long stretch. Inatead of being a whinger, Ronaldo can stop his crying and fix his performances.
Neither in their current state are world class.
Ronaldo was, imo de Gea never has been.
No because because 1 cup, albeit the World Cup, doesn't define an entire career. Are you really serious with you mentioning Pogba here
Ronaldo is our eldest player and is outperforming most of the squad, make of that what you will. If I were the players he mentioned, I'd be fecking embarrassed tbh.
@tomaldinho1 I agree. I just wanted to say that Lingard, despite all we say, tried to revive his career. It shows football matters to him
Repeating your claim doesn't give more credence to it. Nor does an ad-lapidum. Ronaldo has been putrid, and nobody is going to listen to a guy who's more interested in whinging than fixing his own performances.
Nor does yours tbh. If Ronaldo has been putrid like you say, what does that tell about the rest then ? Even Rangnick cannot get back to practice till it's dark and you're too focused on Ronaldo without looking at the bigger picture
It says that their level dropped since he's joined. Which doesn't say much about Ronaldo's impact.
Not sure what Rangnick has to do with your suggestion that everyone should be lined up taking lessons from a man whose performances have been abject.
Yep - sums it up well. Good post.
We have a number of posters on here who seem incapable of this, it seems.
(And some of them are also incapable of understanding that having reservations about him doesn't amount to writing him off completely or dismissing the qualities he still undoubtedly possesses).
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Well said, although it won't be popular.
It's gotten easy to be a Manchester United player now. It used to be special during SAF's era because being a man united player meant winning titles left, right and center. You don't just win something once in a while. You were expected to win everything there is and there was little room for failure. That mentality or culture had been slowly eroding since SAF retired. And that's where we are now. Try to be better, work harder, perform better, try to win something. That's a United player now. Just trying to win something instead of being expected to win everything.