[choccy77]

I've never seen a team of such a big club unable to string simple passes together.

Every game we give the ball away and even on a 3 on 1 situation somehow we give the ball away to the 1

It never happened like this until the last half of last season and most of this season.

We should have lost this one.

 

[The Hilton]

Maguire gave the ball away so much. Also always sold out by Maguire passing it too him while he is pressed.

This is what I mean about the agenda, Varane was orders of magnitude worse tonight, but he isn't public enemy number slab head, so his awful performance gets excused as somehow being Maguire's fault.

 

[minoo-utd]

Now players are to blame but before that what was RR trying to do here?

 

[Blake's 7]

No one showed for the ball in midfield at all, leaving Maguire to lump it forward aimlessly or pass the ball sideways. Too much whining, no one willing to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and seize control and dictate the tempo

 

[Hugh Jass]

Badly need new MFs. Badly.

 

[Fully Fledged]

Conte’s first few games didn’t set the world alight either

Even if they did….it’s still 3 league games. It’s 7 points out if 9 and 1 conceded

Relax ffs

It was Crystal Palace, Norwich and Newcastle and we looked awful in all of them.

 

[wolvored]

Somebody explain to me the idea of Rashford on right and Greenwood on left in first half?

I think thy were supposed to wingers as in crossing for Ronaldo

 

[Ollie Derbyshire]

That's subjective, I personally don't like Conte, I don't think he's what we need.

But RR surely needs another few weeks to get things sorted, with a training ground that's fully open and a playing squad that's fully fit and free from viruses?

He does but let’s see what he does, will he drop Rashford, Bruno or Maguire? I hope he has the courage but I’m not sure. He talks of intensity, how will he change this? Conte seems to have changed a similar issue at Spurs with a few weeks more training so let’s see.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

This is what I mean about the agenda, Varane was orders of magnitude worse tonight, but he isn't public enemy number slab head, so his awful performance gets excused as somehow being Maguire's fault.

Sorry, I disagree. Maguire was just as bad but is captain and cost £80m

 

[Gfooty]

12th december
Leicester vs Newcastle 4:0

16th december
Liverpool vs Newcastle 3:1

19th december
Newcastle vs Man City 4:0

27th december
Newcastle vs Man Utd 1:1


This should give anyone a good indication of where United is quality wise

 

[Adnan]

The passing needs to improve a lot. The forwards gave the ball away a lot, which is never a good thing, but when your midfielder is in the top 5 in the list below, then there's a big issue in the build up phase.

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

Are Carragher and Neville not going to show the thirty times we played a simple pass to Newcastle players?

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

The passing needs to improve a lot. The forwards gave the ball away a lot, which is never a good thing, but when your midfielder is in the top 5 in the list below, then there's a big issue in the build up phase.

@The Hilton - said they gave the ball away the same!

 

[Murder on Zidanes Floor]

The passing needs to improve a lot. The forwards gave the ball away a lot, which is never a good thing, but when your midfielder is in the top 5 in the list below, then there's a big issue in the build up phase.

Whoever said McTominay was MoM.

 

[Robertd0803]

Well that was a load of shit.

 

[Okey]

Still hard to process that. Painful to watch. Where to start? Is it really possible so many of our players are just not up to scratch? First order of business is a new midfield pair. Preferably January. Latest summer. It's impossible to achieve anything with McFred in the middle. Tonight wasn't just about them of course, but that's one area we have no hope with what we have now.

 

[The Hilton]

@The Hilton - said they gave the ball away the same!

Yeah but look what those giveaways led to - Maguire's led to them recycling the ball at the back, whereas Varane's led to their goal, along with most of their other good chances.

Sorry, I disagree. Maguire was just as bad but is captain and cost £80m

Fair enough, I don't think he was as bad, and he cost less in context than Varane, who cost £42m with only 1 year left on his contract.

Anyway, think we'll have to agree to disagree here. Blaming Varane's awful game on Maguire just isn't rational in my book.

 

[goatboy]

Same old same old, but given it's the same old players is it really that much of a surprise?

Too many players at the club are dreadfully lacking basic concentration, and that speaks directly to a lack of professionalism, and character, on their part.

I'd like to see Maguire stripped of the captaincy personally; too often he sets the tone early doors and the rest follow suit.

 

[Devil may care]

If you'd been in a coma since October and just woke up to see that game you wouldn't think anything had changed.

 

[Alemar]

Blaming Varane's awful game on Maguire just isn't rational in my book.

Maguire has been consistently poor this season (and actually earlier, too). Whereas Varane has never been consistently shit previously

 

[TheRedDevil2019]

The team had more balance and flow in attack with Sancho and Cavani. I'd start them both on Thursday, other than those pair and DDG the rest were drivel.

Felt for CR7 with the piss poor service also.

 

[Lash]

The passing needs to improve a lot. The forwards gave the ball away a lot, which is never a good thing, but when your midfielder is in the top 5 in the list below, then there's a big issue in the build up phase.

Passing has been the clear issue in all the games we've had under Ralf.

Rashford and Bruno in particular from the eye test have been particularly poor. The decision making on too of just passing, has me tearing my hair out every game.

After that, it's so clear how poor the two CMs are at passing forward. They're getting horrifically exposed for their lack of vision. People may say DVB needs a chance, but not even sure he has that in his locker.

 

[lex talionis]

Medieval torture, that. It's as though Ole is still at the wheel.

What exactly goes on in "training" at Carrington?

 

[sparx99]

The passing is just being rushed. I get the desire to play vertical passes and get forward quickly but our players seem to hear that and think I have to go route one. Maybe it’s just rustiness and nerves.

 

[Kevthebadminton]

Medieval torture, that. It's as though Ole is still at the wheel.

What exactly goes on in "training" at Carrington?

Seemingly, they all play with blindfolds on for the duration!

 

[Plant0x84]

Nauseating listening to the Sky commentary team jizzing over Newcastle like they are top of the league or something.

 

[DSG]

Attitude, shite
Tactics, shite
Finishing, shite
Movement, shite
Defending, shite
Passing, shite
Workrate, shite
Management, shite

 

[RedAlways78]

We need time to settle into the new managers style. That doesn’t happen overnight. So dogshit performances like can happen.

 

[minoo-utd]

The passing is just being rushed. I get the desire to play vertical passes and get forward quickly but our players seem to hear that and think I have to go route one. Maybe it’s just rustiness and nerves.

This what I think too. Made us lose the ball so quickly and players adjustment was not up to it, playing lot out of positions. But there was no excuse that some was panicking once we lose the ball. Our four back can’t do even simple passes up front which make me asking what are we doing on training sessions?

 

[Moiraine]

Rashford should really consider doing charity work for the rest of his life, have mercy on United and leave football. What a disgusting disgraceful performances over the past months.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

If you'd been in a coma since October and just woke up to see that game you wouldn't think anything had changed.

You'd also probably think we were the ones in 19th

 

[Jacko21]

This is nothing new, but it’s remarkable how poorly we handle these occasions. When the opponent (and their fans) sense a scalp, rather then taking the edge out of the game by exerting control, we do the opposite. We encourage them, we cede the initiative and give opposition supporters all the ammunition they need.

Teams sense blood against us. Time and time again. It just makes the business of winning games needlessly difficult.

All too often we look thoroughly unfocused from a mindset point of view. Particularly in away games.

 

[RedMilo]

If we are to play 4-2-2-2, then a narrow team MUST have a strong spine.

Maguire, Varane, McT, Fred and CR7 were all really poor today in this area of the team.

Ronaldo's attitude is shocking when things aren't going his way, can only have a negative impact on those around him. Mardy fecker. Thought Rangnick bottled it by not subbing him instead took the easy option and subbed Greenwood.

Cavani has to start against Burnley.

Thought Dalot looked lively. DDG what a save at the end.

 

[TJ Reid]

The club and team is a unique mess with no director of football, and a different manager every other season. Woodward is a disaster and Ferguson must be thinking wtf

 

[Dante]

The best thing during (most of) Ole's reign was that even if we were 0-1 down at halftime, I always felt we had a chance of turning it around in the second half.

But today was an utter capitulation. No fight, no effort, no urgency.

The players are almost all the same as last season. They just seem to have bought into their own hype.

Ole's cultural reset was about flushing out the Galactico mentality that was left over from the LvG and Jose eras. The previous manager did that pretty well for the most part. Unfortunately, it seems to have been creeping back in since the Euros. There's a handful of star names who think they're too big to be making sacrifices for the sake of the team.

 

[croadyman]

Cavani looked good, United really shouldn't offload him. Everyone else seemed oddly tired.

Yeah think he should have started and same with Jadon, why not bench them for Burnley or Wolves at home instead.

 

[V.O.]

Attitude, shite
Tactics, shite
Finishing, shite
Movement, shite
Defending, shite
Passing, shite
Workrate, shite
Management, shite

Goalkeeping, pretty decent

 

[GaryLifo]

The club and team is a unique mess with no director of football, and a different manager every other season. Woodward is a disaster and Ferguson must be thinking wtf

Different manager every other season?

We've given every permanent manager other than Moyes at least 2 full seasons. Way more than any other big club has given their underperforming managers.

Ole got nearly 3 years and Jose got nearly 2.5 years

 

[Red the Bear]

I feel the most logical course of action is to pass further judgment till we have another run of games on our hands to evaluate , These are exceptional circumstances (covid change mid season etc etc ) so we need a bigger sample size

I'm afraid at this point the only way to salvage our season trophy wise is ucl and or fa cup and that seems like a pipe dream at this point.

Top 4 will prove a lot harder then I expected ,spurs have found their strike and and arsenal are rejuvenated

 

[Champ]

He does but let’s see what he does, will he drop Rashford, Bruno or Maguire? I hope he has the courage but I’m not sure. He talks of intensity, how will he change this? Conte seems to have changed a similar issue at Spurs with a few weeks more training so let’s see.

The difference is Conte has had a few weeks of intense training, before Covid hot.
Ralf hasn't, so hopefully now with everyone back, the training ground fully open, we should see an improvement.
If we don't then we can definitely moan.