[Zaphod2319]

Please let there be a photo directly behind Bruno, him dead center, nobody anywhere near the goal and he misses the entire goal. Well, he did hit the post.

 

[van Nistelrooy]

Thats a different rule.

That rule (rightly) wasn't applied

The rule of this just being a normal handball however should have been applied. His hand is clear in an unnatural position...it is therefore a normal handball.

Take it to the extreme, if he caught the ball and threw it to his teammate, and the ref somehow missed it, this would have be ruled out right? Well he didn't catch it, but he might as well have.

Why was is it a different rule?

The rule stated clearly mentions the build-up to a goal and the accidental handling by the assisting player. It covers all bases.

I don't agree with the rule, but it has been used on other occasions this season so must be followed through until they review the rules ahead of next season.

 

[Solius]

Boro were comfortably the worst side we’ve played this season and if the finishing wasn’t absolutely atrocious we’d have put about 5 past them. Joke of a handball decision but nobody cares if it’s against us. Only when we get them.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

Why was is it a different rule?

The rule stated clearly mentions the build-up to a goal and the accidental handling by the assisting player. It covers all bases.

I don't agree with the rule, but it has been used on other occasions this season so must be followed through until they review the rules ahead of next season.

But it wasn't accidental handball, that's the point. It was a normal handball offence. The build up to a goal thing is irrelevant.

Taken from the Sky Sports website

Why wasn't Watmore penalised?
To understand why the Middlesbrough equaliser was allowed to stand, it is important to refer to the changes to the handball law made at the start of the season.

In accordance with the new rules, Watmore wasn't penalised for accidental handball because he did not score the goal himself.

For him to be penalised in that scenario, it would need to be a deliberate handball, or his arm would need to be in an unnatural position. VAR deemed neither of those things to be true, hence the decision to allow the goal to stand.

See the bolded part, how his arm can be deemed to be in a natural position is absurd.

 

[Betson]

Nothing illustrates the decline in standards that seeing so many people happy with the performance and calling it progression after getting knocked out at home by an average championship side.

To serious football clubs knockout Cup ties are only about one thing , winning.

This progression talk is nonsense ., Could you imagine a real team like City or Liverpool talking about progress after getting knocked out by Middlesbrough. They would be too embarrassed to , but we are are beyond embarrassment at this stage. The but of everyone's football joke.

 

[Denis79]

I was actually enjoying that first half, should have stopped watching there.

 

[matherto]

One of those games, like Arsenal in 05 and Portsmouth in 08 that you just knew we were gonna lose.

Best football I've seen us play under Rangnick but profilgate in front of goal and then lost energy and intensity as the game wore on and Middlesbrough took advantage of that.

 

[matherto]

Nothing illustrates the decline in standards that seeing so many people happy with the performance and calling it progression after getting knocked out at home by an average championship side.

To serious football clubs knockout Cup ties are only about one thing , winning.

This progression talk is nonsense ., Could you imagine a real team like City or Liverpool talking about progress after getting knocked out by Middlesbrough. They would be too embarrassed to , but we are are beyond embarrassment at this stage. The but of everyone's football joke.

Go on RAWK and find commentary from Klopp's first half season in charge where they played just like we did tonight. See what they say.

 

[pratyush_utd]

It was freak result but i am not too disappointed with that. We played well and should have hammered them. This kind of result was due after getting away with games earlier in the season like Wolves away

 

[Greck]

Result was disappointing because it was directly brought by players who are central to our team and will continue to. Have to wonder if we centered the last rebuild around some heavy bottlers.

 

[VidaRed]

Just watched the highlights.

This loss is solely down to players thinking they're the dogs bollocks and showed no respect to the opposition. Enough of the ball was retained and enough chances were created to win each half 2 nil.

This is down to the mentality of the players, its no coincidence that we've been done by most of the so called easy opponents. From the start they started fannying about trying to score worldies, players can do this when they're 3 nil up and not otherwise.

There is no easy fix, we simply need to get rid of players with a bad attitude in the summer.

 

[MyBloodIsRed]

I mean JFC…. Ronnie needs to hurt the pen, Bruno and Sanch hit the post. Some nights are like that.

but how on earth is that allowed especially with VAR??!?! Unreal must be operated by some ABUs tonight

 

[RedBanker]

Ronaldo missed a pen? Didn't watch the game so..

 

[r0663664]

Doesn't matter if we win or lose. We ain't winning anything with this lot. People think that Ralf joining mean we will win something. This will not happen with McTominay and Fred in Midfield. Maguire in defence with left and right back who can't cross. Lastly, players who is willing to die on the field. Until I see a different Midfield combination, we aren't winning anything.

 

[Red_toad]

Absolutely robbed by a sham of a referee.

I still haven’t gotten over the previous rule change where players were just hammering the ball at defenders arms and getting penalties even when their arms were down by their sides. I think it was Lindelof who got caught out with that change.
Now we have ‘accidental handball’ that seems to have come out of nowhere. I’m pretty convinced one of our players does that and no way the goal stands. Arm out like that it’s handball, defenders are coached to keep their arms down, as it will never been seen as an ‘accident’ just a deliberate attempt to make themselves bigger.

 

[Gums]

Nothing illustrates the decline in standards that seeing so many people happy with the performance and calling it progression after getting knocked out at home by an average championship side.

To serious football clubs knockout Cup ties are only about one thing , winning.

This progression talk is nonsense ., Could you imagine a real team like City or Liverpool talking about progress after getting knocked out by Middlesbrough. They would be too embarrassed to , but we are are beyond embarrassment at this stage. The but of everyone's football joke.

I get your frustration, but you seem to be focusing on the result over everything else. If it was as you say, „serious“ football clubs would never lose to any team inferior to them but they do. Frequently.

I‘m disappointed, too. But a standard is what it is. This is our standard at the moment. You, and many likeminded posters, seem to be comparing our standard at this moment in time with our standard when we were dominating the league. That‘s wrong in my opinion, but even worse, you‘re setting yourself up for constant disappointment by comparing different times and expecting the same performance.

I’m not happy, but looking for small indicators of improvement increases the chance of finding them and keeps me balanced and my expectations realistic for this moment in time.

 

[WR10]

It was, by far, the best performance since SAF. Pure fluidity of football. Complete and utter dominance.

Let me put it this way. 95/100 times Ronaldo puts that penalty away.

 

[smi11ie]

I only caught the last half hour and Utd were functional but not dangerous. I missed all the first half chances. Very dissapointing result for Utd.

With a smaller squad and now less games I don't expect too much rotation going forward.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

From moaning about a bloated squad to moaning it being unbloated: the cafe......

 

[jem]

It was, by far, the best performance since SAF. Pure fluidity of football. Complete and utter dominance.

Let me put it this way. 95/100 times Ronaldo puts that penalty away.

I didn't watch so have no idea if this is serious or sarcastic.

 

[NewGlory]

Absolutely robbed by a sham of a referee.

That is myopic. We should have scored 3 before that and 3 more after. This was not the game where referee being a clown made the difference. This was the game where our team decided to be clowns.

The whole game was one big tragicomedy, very reflective of current state of our club. To the smallest details of Old Trafford couldn't even serve food? WTF was that? But more seriously, we at t he same time played really well, based on amazing chances created, and absolutely horrible, based on wasting all of those chances and losing the game we should have won 10 times over.

I don't even know what to call this.

Forget about midfielder and all that. Maybe we should start the rebuild by hiring a much better sport psychology team. Our players are not ok in their heads.

 

[NewGlory]

Let me put it this way. 95/100 times Ronaldo puts that penalty away.

Ronaldo has scored 143 penalties and missed 29 ones, in his career. So his success rate is actually 1 - 29 / (143 + 29) = 83% not 95%

Most of those penalties were saved, rather than missing the goal, however. But same diff.

 

[superdry]

We actually played well, but the old saying you have to take your chances and we had so many. I just thank god or whoever looks down on us for not suffering a Phil Jones penalty on us, for that I rejoice!

 

[sdb4884]

Just another typical United result, two or three steps forward then a huge one back.

 

[NewGlory]

We actually played well, but the old saying you have to take your chances and we had so many. I just thank god or whoever looks down on us for not suffering a Phil Jones penalty on us, for that I rejoice!

We lost but "played well" against a Championship 7th placed Middlesborough, with our best players? Congratulations! We must be on our way back to the glory days.

Of course we dominated + created a lot of chances... because–against whom? The question is - how the feck did we manage to waste it?

 

[DevilsOwn]

Doesn't matter if we win or lose. We ain't winning anything with this lot. People think that Ralf joining mean we will win something. This will not happen with McTominay and Fred in Midfield. Maguire in defence with left and right back who can't cross. Lastly, players who is willing to die on the field. Until I see a different Midfield combination, we aren't winning anything.

How is this on McT and Fred??

First, you DID see a different combination. McT started with Pogba.
Second, we were dominant in the Midfield AND created chances galore.

And Maguire? He didn't put a foot wrong yesterday. The goal came, when Varane (who otherwise had a great game) was very high up the pitch but couldn't get the ball back. And then the handball.

Yesterday, loss was on Ronaldo and Bruno, and our inability to convert chances.

 

[Partridge]

The worst finishing performance by United I have ever seen bar none.

Im including Arsenal 2005 FA Cup Final and Portsmouth 2008 in that too.

Ruddy hell. I'm thinking as far back as massimo taibi vs southampton, i think. Truly awful performance.

 

[Foxbatt]

I didn't see the match but surely we should be able to beat Boro at home?

 

[FattyFooty]

How is this on McT and Fred??

First, you DID see a different combination. McT started with Pogba.
Second, we were dominant in the Midfield AND created chances galore.

And Maguire? He didn't put a foot wrong yesterday. The goal came, when Varane (who otherwise had a great game) was very high up the pitch but couldn't get the ball back. And then the handball.

Yesterday, loss was on Ronaldo and Bruno, and our inability to convert chances.

It was also on Varane, Elanga and the ref. With VAR team.

Elanga actually missed the pen that put us out of the game. I know he is young and im not mad at him, but he DID miss.

Varane on the goal was also not good at all.

Rashford wasnt exactly very good either.

Good thing is, we played well..it was kinda bizzare.

 

[Galactic]

We played quite well. Boro are a form team atm. We kept the temp high most of the time and some link up play were fantastic. If we keep it up, good things will come out of it I’m sure. The results is not good, but we need to look forward towards being more consistent with our style and tempo of play.

I’m not too unhappy.

 

[11101]

None of them should be allowed to leave the stadium until they can put the ball in the net 100 times in a row.

And that decision was one of the worst you'll ever see in football, the kind of thing that turns casual football fans off the sport.

 

[Jeffthered]

Get what we deserve. We created a lot of chances and didn’t take them. We should of won that 5-0.

Yep, pretty much sums it up..... Have to take your chances. A big shame as we could really benefit from competing to win this trophy... The FA Cup is brilliant and with our squad, we should be amongst it.

Boro' played better than us in the second half, they deserved the result. And their fans were outstanding, outstanding. Well done to that club, a great night for them.

 

[Wing Attack Plan R]

Everyone stand like scarecrows in the box, spinning!

I have a feeling that would suit our defense too!

 

[Daengophile]

With the attacking force that we have, we were all drooling after the addition of Ronaldo

The stark reality is that our attack is not firing on all cylinders

One goal out of 30 attempts is 3% - a poor return

How has it come to this?

 

[Chicharo]

If someone was to see the stats without previously watching the game, he would guess their goalie had a fantastic performance. But he actually looked pretty bad and like he lacked confidence after the first mistake. All of his saves were easy to make, and he could probably reacted better when Jadon scored.
The only positive thing is that we actually created chances, but let's not forget who our opponents were.
This can't really be described as "one of those magical FA Cup nights". We simply don't have a proper finisher, practically all of our attackers are inconsistent, and we tend to struggle a lot (36 goals in the league speak for themselves), it is just that last night was too much even for our standards. We scream for someone like Vlahovic (already gone), or Lautaro
The truth is - this is us atm. Our players can't be trusted to win against anyone

 

[Nickelodeon]

Lots of people are saying the goal was good on the commentary etc so there might be something in that. I don't know the rules anymore.

It’s one of those idiotic rules which when you see it in action, you’ll have no option but to eventually change the rule. Think of Crystal Palace at home last season when Zaha got a penalty for hitting the ball at Lindelof’s hand for point blank distance when neither the hand was away from the body nor a goal threatening opportunity was being created.

These idiots who are making these rules neither have the flexibility to let refs make calls based on common sense, nor do they have the competence to think of basic scenarios while drafting the rules.

Pre VAR, if that goal stands, you can blame the ref and linesman for missing it but can still accept that they made a mistake. Now, given that somebody decided that based on whatever “new” rules, that goal was legal means that the entire system has collapsed and you expect anything to happen at any time.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

First half we looked decent and i thought we played alright with some good movement, passing and willingness to pass. We still turn over the ball too easily but when they got that equaliser it was like a switch went off and we reverted to individualist United.

I thought Rashford was great first half then he reverted to type, shooting or trying to go past someone when there was an easy slipped ball to put someone through.

Ronaldo was just terrible and started doing similar things.

It just all sort of fell apart at the end. They really need to develop some backbone this lot.

As for Elantra, unlucky, one of the worst pens I’ve seen but you could just see from the walk up he wanted nothing to do with it.

 

[NewGlory]

How is this on McT and Fred??

First, you DID see a different combination. McT started with Pogba.
Second, we were dominant in the Midfield AND created chances galore.

And Maguire? He didn't put a foot wrong yesterday. The goal came, when Varane (who otherwise had a great game) was very high up the pitch but couldn't get the ball back. And then the handball.

Yesterday, loss was on Ronaldo and Bruno, and our inability to convert chances.

Don't forget ma boy Rashford. Ronaldo was shambolic, but at least he was trying. Bruno's finishing was horrible, but he also created a ton for others to score. Rashford didn't even do any of those things and wasted as many clear goalscoring opportunities as others. Absolute passenger, walking the field, with his head who knows where.

 

[Reducation]

"A player is considered to have made their body
unnaturally bigger when the position of their hand/arm is not a consequence
of, or justifiable by, the player’s body movement for that specific situation."
The decision to allow the goal is correct. Whatmore's body movement was perfectly natural.

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules

 

[Red_toad]

How is this on McT and Fred??

First, you DID see a different combination. McT started with Pogba.
Second, we were dominant in the Midfield AND created chances galore.

And Maguire? He didn't put a foot wrong yesterday. The goal came, when Varane (who otherwise had a great game) was very high up the pitch but couldn't get the ball back. And then the handball.

Yesterday, loss was on Ronaldo and Bruno, and our inability to convert chances.

It’s the Caf a lot of poster just get angry at whatever a certain YouTuber tells them to.
Harry ended up in a nightmare situation with 3 Middlesbrough attackers to mark, a few of our players kinda strolled back into place and didn’t see the danger until too late.
Fred was poor when he came on, Scotty and Pogba both put in good performances, but Pogba should have been more aware of his man when they scored.
Shame we didn’t have Cavani and Jesse to call on, I’m not sure I’m a fan of players asking for time off, as rarely happened under Sir Alex unless he told the players to they needed time off.