Mourinho was right!
PL W FA Premier League
Leeds United 2:4 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Sun, 20 February 2022
Entertaining game that, really fun to watch. Though I did think we were going to collapse when we suddenly found ourselves level at 2-2. Though credit to them for going on to win.
Looking at the list of incidents
involving the Leeds fans and its shocking that so little has been done. Had Elanga been seriously hurt, the FA would have shared some of the responsibility.
It would be entirely appropriate for Leeds to be be made to play without supporters allowed.
August 21: Everton’s Lucas Digne appears to have a lighter thrown at him in the 2-2 draw at Elland Road.
August 24: A woman is escorted away by stewards after running on to the pitch in the 3-0 Carabao Cup victory over Crewe Alexandra.
October 2: A fan is banned from attending matches after throwing a water bottle towards the pitch in the 1-0 defeat of Watford.
October 23: Wolves manager Bruno Lage complains that Leeds fans hurled cigarette lighters at his players.
November 30: Leeds condemn the homophobic chants aimed by their supporters at Crystal Palace midfielder Conor Gallagher.
December 5: Leeds are investigated by the FA after Brentford’s Sergi Canos and Bryan Mbeumo appear to be struck by objects thrown from the Leeds fans at Elland Road. Leeds chief executive Victor Orta has to be held back by others in the directors’ box after a fan verbally abuses him.
December 18: A fan is arrested on suspicion of shouting racist abuse during the 4-1 defeat by Arsenal. Gunners goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale jokes that he ‘pocketed £17’ from Leeds fans after they chuck coins at him.
January 2: Burnley defender Matt Lowton is hit by a full bottle of Coke as he celebrates his side’s goal in a 3-1 loss. The defender needs treatment.
February 12: Merseyside Police say a Goodison Park steward was butted and officers were punched in the away end as Everton thrash Leeds 3-0.
Yesterday: Fans launch objects at Manchester United’s Anthony Elanga as he celebrates the visitors’ third goal in a crushing 4-2 defeat for Leeds against their bitter rivals. The young Swede is hit on the head and needs treatment.
August 24: A woman is escorted away by stewards after running on to the pitch in the 3-0 Carabao Cup victory over Crewe Alexandra.
October 2: A fan is banned from attending matches after throwing a water bottle towards the pitch in the 1-0 defeat of Watford.
October 23: Wolves manager Bruno Lage complains that Leeds fans hurled cigarette lighters at his players.
November 30: Leeds condemn the homophobic chants aimed by their supporters at Crystal Palace midfielder Conor Gallagher.
December 5: Leeds are investigated by the FA after Brentford’s Sergi Canos and Bryan Mbeumo appear to be struck by objects thrown from the Leeds fans at Elland Road. Leeds chief executive Victor Orta has to be held back by others in the directors’ box after a fan verbally abuses him.
December 18: A fan is arrested on suspicion of shouting racist abuse during the 4-1 defeat by Arsenal. Gunners goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale jokes that he ‘pocketed £17’ from Leeds fans after they chuck coins at him.
January 2: Burnley defender Matt Lowton is hit by a full bottle of Coke as he celebrates his side’s goal in a 3-1 loss. The defender needs treatment.
February 12: Merseyside Police say a Goodison Park steward was butted and officers were punched in the away end as Everton thrash Leeds 3-0.
Yesterday: Fans launch objects at Manchester United’s Anthony Elanga as he celebrates the visitors’ third goal in a crushing 4-2 defeat for Leeds against their bitter rivals. The young Swede is hit on the head and needs treatment.
It would be entirely appropriate for Leeds to be be made to play without supporters allowed.
Or force them to play behind closed doors.
Had an emergency at work so I couldn't watch it live unfortunately. A very satisfying win against an old rival that doesn't really like us. Keep this up lads
I’m very happy we have secured points against poorer teams lately, but my concern is that our play looks more similar or on pair with teams on the lower side of the table than on the higher side of the table.
Our schedule have been very easy and we also have played more games than other teams. The table or situation is a little bit false; looks much more comfortable than it really is. I’m concerned and think we have to improve a lot in order to secure the fourth position at the end of season.
Our schedule have been very easy and we also have played more games than other teams. The table or situation is a little bit false; looks much more comfortable than it really is. I’m concerned and think we have to improve a lot in order to secure the fourth position at the end of season.
Bit of an odd game for me, plenty of entertainment and we scored some great goals. A proper derby game!
We were sloppy on times and how we let them back in at 2-2 is baffling!
Negatives for me (for this game only, not to blow it out of proportion).
Ronaldo - didnt really get himself involved much. Missed a sitter (yes, it was behind him but he's so close to goal he's got to score)
McTominey - Didnt control the game, so poor on the ball. Just seemed to be there to foul people, which he did constantly to be fair, but another game where central midfield just passes us by.
AWB - Most touches of anyone on the pitch apparently. Done nothing of note all day, poor with the ball, lazy without
Positives.
Sancho - great game, looking better and better all the time.
Pogba - few nice touches. Strong on the ball. Can be a really good midfielder when he does the basics right.
Lindelof - Carried the ball out extremely well. Nice
Ralf - Good subs when needed, good game plan to beat Leeds press (one cb always coming out with the ball)
Good to get the win - we could have scored more. I think on a whole this was a gutsy, committed display. We worked hard for it. Central midfield still bypassed us though - McTominey is like a ghost there. We need so much more from a DM than he could ever offer. Pogba was good, Fernandes too - but in our set up with high midfielders we leave too much work for the lowest midfielder, and McTom will never be upto it.
We were sloppy on times and how we let them back in at 2-2 is baffling!
Negatives for me (for this game only, not to blow it out of proportion).
Ronaldo - didnt really get himself involved much. Missed a sitter (yes, it was behind him but he's so close to goal he's got to score)
McTominey - Didnt control the game, so poor on the ball. Just seemed to be there to foul people, which he did constantly to be fair, but another game where central midfield just passes us by.
AWB - Most touches of anyone on the pitch apparently. Done nothing of note all day, poor with the ball, lazy without
Positives.
Sancho - great game, looking better and better all the time.
Pogba - few nice touches. Strong on the ball. Can be a really good midfielder when he does the basics right.
Lindelof - Carried the ball out extremely well. Nice
Ralf - Good subs when needed, good game plan to beat Leeds press (one cb always coming out with the ball)
Good to get the win - we could have scored more. I think on a whole this was a gutsy, committed display. We worked hard for it. Central midfield still bypassed us though - McTominey is like a ghost there. We need so much more from a DM than he could ever offer. Pogba was good, Fernandes too - but in our set up with high midfielders we leave too much work for the lowest midfielder, and McTom will never be upto it.
I think we looked a different level of quality from Leeds yesterday though. Not so much against Brighton, but that has been the case also with teams better than us.
I thought AWB had a pretty good game, all things considered. Especially after Leeds scored - he was one of the players who elevated his intensity and helped us claw back. I agree he didn't accomplish much on the opposing half, but at least he carried the ball forward and processed it efficiently enough, and I thought he did very well defensively.
Also, I'd definitely have Bruno on the positives list. That was a major display, especially in the second half. I'd put both him and Pogba over Sancho, who I thought had a pretty poor first half except for his assist. Much, much better in the second though. It's great to see him coming through now, looks like we were on to a great thing there after all.
Feel like Daves been our best performer this year which is saying something, he’s saved the most shots in the league.
He's just not a holding midfielder though, similar to Fred he's a box to box type player or an "8" as RR likes to say. He's doing a job in holding midfield because he's more trustworthy than Fred in that position and Matic is finished bar for the odd 5 minutes here and there. He's a good player and well worth a place in the squad so I'm happy enough to cut him a degree of slack while he's doing a job that clearly isn't natural to him.
One of the idiotic posts I have seen. How is he supposed to be saving those all day long? Like how ? Leave the whole goal open and stand at the far post in anticipation of a mishit cross ? Or Grow 2 feet more from the time the ball left rodrigo’s foot till it reaches the goal ?
Of course he has, his whole game is centered around stopping shots rather than preventing the issues in the first place. A massive number of his saves this season that have come directly from him a) giving the ball away, b) not coming and sweeping behind the defence forcing the defenders into an error or c) not dealing with a cross or ball across the 6 yard box. Most other goalkeepers don't need to make those saves because they deal with the ball in the first instance.
There was a stat doing the rounds on here in the week which summed him up, I think it was 1st in the league for shot-stopping, 22nd in the league for both sweeping actions and dealing with crosses.
He's like an old school factory engineer who won't touch a machine until it's completely broke down and costing the company money whereas the vast majority of engineers now perform preventative maintenance throughout the lifecycle of the machine so that it runs smoother. That or a fireman walking round throwing petrol on things so he can have the opportunity to play the hero.
Should be saving absolute freak mishit crosses that whizz into the top corner perfectly?
I really don't think a midfielder exists that wouldn't look exposed in a midfield next to Pogba and behind Bruno. Accommodating those two players is always going to give us an imperfect balance, so we need to accept the negatives and positives that come with having those two players in the team.
The conditions were absolutely awful and one of their goals was a complete fluke. I don't think you can read too much into the game beyond the ridiculously short time between their goals.
Just saw this on Reddit
@GifLord ... 2 gif requests please, both in the second half, first was around the 74th minute where some Leeds players and Mct were just throwing in slide tackles around the centre of the pitch one after the other.
Other one is when AWB did two meaty slide tackles in a row down in his corner. Not sure what minute it was unfortunately...
Other one is when AWB did two meaty slide tackles in a row down in his corner. Not sure what minute it was unfortunately...
Agree to some degree, Bruno plays so high and pogba comes with a degree of risk playing deep.
McTom is just so poor on the ball, and rarely shows for the ball in a positive way. Half the game passes him by
Is he more trustworthy than Fred? Debatable at best.
Agree our options for a solid out and out DM aren't great, but even as an #8 mcTominey will be limited with the ball. His movement and anticipation are poor and he rarely looks to show for the ball and get into space. He also seems to take the first pass he sees, and for me he's never receiving the ball on the half turn, so he's always going safe and basic.
He seems to have a brilliant attitude and workrate - he's just not a very good central midfielder in todays game. He may well improve aspects of his game in time, but right now he's not good enough for what we need.
Yes as he takes less risks in and out of possession. Fred presses higher and is also more prone to erratic pieces of play close to his own goal, whereas McTominay generally takes less risks by keeping the play simpler and holds the position more consistently than Fred does. He is also much more comfortable dropping between the centre backs in defensive aerial situations for obvious reasons. Given RR has been pretty clear about wanting two players per position I think it's clear given the limited options why he's gone for McTominay as the holding player and Fred as an 8.
I don't really agree on some of your other points per se, I think as a squad player he's absolutely fine both now and in the future to be honest. Being a limited player doesn't make you a bad player, it tends to mean you end up as a player suited for specific games or situations and it's important to have those types in and around the squad.
A hugely enjoyable match for obvious reasons. Watching back, the interplay between Lindelof and Sancho for Bruno's goal is a joy to behold.
Coming here late following yesterday's game and very surprised at the low number of posts for what was a cracking old fashioned slug fest.
I came today to say that I think that if we needed proof that all the rumours of unrest in the dressing room were not true yesterday proved it for certain.
Yesterday, it was cold, and windy and absolutely pouring down, the pitch was waterlogged and negated any chance of top class football, the crowd was hostile, Leeds run and run and run, and tackles were flying in and sliding in non-stop.
If there was a day for anyone who wasn't totally committed to the cause to hide, Sunday would have been that day. And nobody on the team hid. Everybody ran and tackled and got stuck in.
Sure Pogba may leave for whatever reason, more commission for his agent or Champions League football, Ronaldo will probably leave for CL football if we don't get it. Jessie wants to play every week, fair play to him.
But yesterday they all played and gave it everything to a man - everyone on the pitch.
That was a determined team performance and said everything I need to know about whether or not the players are committed to their job, the club and the manager for the 90 minutes they are on the pitch.
I came today to say that I think that if we needed proof that all the rumours of unrest in the dressing room were not true yesterday proved it for certain.
Yesterday, it was cold, and windy and absolutely pouring down, the pitch was waterlogged and negated any chance of top class football, the crowd was hostile, Leeds run and run and run, and tackles were flying in and sliding in non-stop.
If there was a day for anyone who wasn't totally committed to the cause to hide, Sunday would have been that day. And nobody on the team hid. Everybody ran and tackled and got stuck in.
Sure Pogba may leave for whatever reason, more commission for his agent or Champions League football, Ronaldo will probably leave for CL football if we don't get it. Jessie wants to play every week, fair play to him.
But yesterday they all played and gave it everything to a man - everyone on the pitch.
That was a determined team performance and said everything I need to know about whether or not the players are committed to their job, the club and the manager for the 90 minutes they are on the pitch.
Good post
No dock the club 10 points until the fan owns up and reports to the police. Every fan around him will grass him up if they thought they could be relegated with the points loss. Set this precedent and coin or anything else lobbed at the player would stop straight away.
Could watch that Sancho chip all day. Just so perfect, and then a great header from Bruno.
Also loved how Scott McT smashed heads with a guy, knocking the other dude out of the contest, and Scott didn't blink. He's a terminator.
Also hilarious that he somehow escaped a yellow card for as long as he did. My Leeds supporting friend was going crazy!
Also hilarious that he somehow escaped a yellow card for as long as he did. My Leeds supporting friend was going crazy!
I've seen a few posts aggressively defending DDG, but having seen it a few times, for me he made a mess of their first goal. He misjudged the flight of the ball and got caught underneath it, a couple of steps backwards instead of forwards and he'd have caught it (or at least tipped it over).
Doesn't stop him from being brilliant this season, but could have done better for their first goal.
Doesn't stop him from being brilliant this season, but could have done better for their first goal.
I would say that, yes, McTominay isn't the greatest passer around. When I think about what we would need alongside two players like to wander in Pogba and Bruno, it would be a player that puts himself about physically, is able to hold onto the ball in tight spots and has the engine & commitment to be able to cover a lot of ground for 90 minutes. McTominay is pretty excellent in all of those areas.
Perhaps in a new look midfield next season he won't be the asset we need. If we were to sign Rice for example, and lose Pogba, we may then need a Neves or Jorginho type of player. A more cultured passer of the ball. Put either of those players into this United team now though and we'd soon be missing McTominay in there.
Good post
It also massively grinds my gears how many people won't bother posting after a win but go both barrels when we lose. Although on the plus side a slow post match thread always means a win, so I guess its some kind of a positive.
They’re referring to two tackles that were deeper in the United half. It was vintage AWB.
No lack of physicality from United in that game. Bit over the top by McT but what else is new?
Now it’s not Crystanbul crowd shot but still got a few good images in it.
I haven’t done it accurately but my gut feel is if you add up the IQ of everyone in the crowd, you may not get to three figures
I haven’t done it accurately but my gut feel is if you add up the IQ of everyone in the crowd, you may not get to three figures
Looking at the picture, not sure you'd get to double figures, let alone three figures.
Guy top left the only restrained one. Even the little kid with the hat has been taught by his (separated) parents to shout abuse at United players
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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14%
Bruno Fernandes
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12%
Victor Lindelof
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6%
Paul Pogba
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3%
Scott McTominay
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2%
Fred
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1%
Harry Maguire
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1%
Aaron Wan-Bissaka
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
Highest Rated Player
Lowest Rated Player
Compiled from 331 ratings.
Score Predictions
138,13,29
- Man Utd win
- Leeds United win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 23% Leeds United 1:3 Man Utd
- 19% Leeds United 1:2 Man Utd
- 12% Leeds United 0:2 Man Utd
- 8% Leeds United 2:2 Man Utd
- 7% Leeds United 1:1 Man Utd
- 6% Leeds United 0:3 Man Utd
- 5% Leeds United 2:3 Man Utd
- 3% Leeds United 1:4 Man Utd
- 3% Leeds United 0:4 Man Utd
- 3% Leeds United 2:0 Man Utd
- 3% Leeds United 2:1 Man Utd
- 2% Leeds United 0:1 Man Utd
- 2% Leeds United 2:5 Man Utd
- 1% Leeds United 2:4 Man Utd
- 1% Leeds United 0:0 Man Utd
- 1% Leeds United 3:0 Man Utd
- 1% Leeds United 0:5 Man Utd
- 1% Leeds United 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Leeds United 1:0 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Leeds United
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 54% 46%
- Shots
- 16 15
- Shots on Target
- 6 9
- Corners
- 3 3
- Fouls
- 13 19
Referee
Paul Tierney
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Fred
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replaced by Anthony Elanga
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replaced by Raphael Varane
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