I’m extremely frustrated by results but you’re not wrong here regarding margins. Not having those unnecessary goals given or taken away changes the attitude. But our inability to overcome those moments still shows a big weakness. I agree that we are improving in form though.
PL D FA Premier League
Burnley 1:1 Manchester United
Post-match discussion
Tue, 08 February 2022
Utd are still a bit soft centred but I feel sure that Ralf is trying to improve that. I think there will be a huge improvement soon in terms of scoring.
Again we were really good in the first half but just couldn’t maintain it, I’m guessing there is some fitness issues there and some mental fatigue issues having a actual tactics for the first time in 5 years other than hit them on the break.
Thought Dalot and Sancho looked good. Really par art from the trailing off in the performance we were let down by terrible defending, mainly from Maguire.
Thought Dalot and Sancho looked good. Really par art from the trailing off in the performance we were let down by terrible defending, mainly from Maguire.
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I think we underestimate the demoralising effect having goals ruled out by VAR has on the players. If that’s a foul by Maguire for our first then the foul on Rashford in the penalty area with a similar off the ball shoulder charge has to be reviewed too.
For me it’s the lack of consistency in knowing when and how the rules will be applied that makes VAR a frustrating and at times grossly unfair tool.
Mike Dean is a cnut.
For me it’s the lack of consistency in knowing when and how the rules will be applied that makes VAR a frustrating and at times grossly unfair tool.
Mike Dean is a cnut.
It’s Sancho
The other is Banned from Redcafe!
The season is over now after last night's result.
The table doesn't lie, we have little to no chance of getting Champions league football next season now, with the games the other teams have in hand.
We are still a shockingly bad team, the current manager does not seem to have a clue how to get the best out of the players we have and his man management skills seem to be very poor. He takes way to long to react to in game situations and his subs are always left way to late to have an impact.
Our players look absolutely shot, with no confidence at all.
In the old days all of the negativity around the club would have galvanised the players and created a siege mentality, but now days the slightest things goes wrong in a game and they can't react or raise their game.
You would have thought that the break they all had would have allowed them to reset and refocus but no, this team is just awful. There is nothing to like about them at all, they are mentally very weak.
The decision to bring Rashford and Maguire back into the team after Lindelof and Elanga had both been better is shocking management.
Can't wait for this season to be over and hopefully a manager that knows what he is doing is brought in.
The table doesn't lie, we have little to no chance of getting Champions league football next season now, with the games the other teams have in hand.
We are still a shockingly bad team, the current manager does not seem to have a clue how to get the best out of the players we have and his man management skills seem to be very poor. He takes way to long to react to in game situations and his subs are always left way to late to have an impact.
Our players look absolutely shot, with no confidence at all.
In the old days all of the negativity around the club would have galvanised the players and created a siege mentality, but now days the slightest things goes wrong in a game and they can't react or raise their game.
You would have thought that the break they all had would have allowed them to reset and refocus but no, this team is just awful. There is nothing to like about them at all, they are mentally very weak.
The decision to bring Rashford and Maguire back into the team after Lindelof and Elanga had both been better is shocking management.
Can't wait for this season to be over and hopefully a manager that knows what he is doing is brought in.
As Maguire self was told, it was not a foul. It was although a block. Maguire (offside) blocked the Burnley player trying to track back. Not a foul, but interfering with play. Hence why offside was given.
This! Extremely unlucky and again sometimes to non chalant with our chances ...
But we have wingers who offer something with the ball again. First half was pretty encouraging to watch, second half not so much. It really seems to be down to fitness levels. Also I think we raised the physicality especially 1st half (hence the drop off in the second) but we were not as easily bullied by Burnley Rugby Club as in previous games.
Not that I particularly rate Maguire but should you not be looking at strikers who can’t seem to be able to score?
You mean the 45 minutes that we miss so many chances to win 3 games.
The foul on Rashford was more a push (Shoulder) in the back. I am surprised that didn't go to var. Penalty written all over it.
I'd agree with that.
I'd also add that when we deviate from Rangnick's instructions, that Maguire is there to get us back on track
eeek that is a terrible slip of the key board I do aplogise!
It’s funny cause the title ‘not good enough’ was always about Scott and Fred but I always thought they were just scapegoats and that the issues of this team were much more entrenched than that. It’s funny how passion merchants we used to describe them yet Eddy, run around a lot for 2 goals this season, isn’t. It’s also strange that he asks to leave isn’t seen in the same way as others doing it.
Why is it that after Rangnick's half time talk we are rubbish?
Ya can't blame Rangnick for last night. We should have been 4-0 up by half time with chances we missed and the Ben Mee own goal should have stood.
Our fitness isnt up to it to play the way Ralf wants for the 90 mins but he's improving it.
Our fitness isnt up to it to play the way Ralf wants for the 90 mins but he's improving it.
I'll be shocked if we end up in EL positions; this reeks of a Top7-9 campaign.
In general I agree with the most of you about us not being good enough and not making top 4. It's obvious that the mentallity is weak as well. But yesterday was a blatant robbery of a team that should have been 3 0 up at half time. Do people really think Dean would reverse the Varane goal had Burnley scored the same way? A horrible game married with bad ref decisions, really bad weather and a provincial home fan base having a go at our players.
for me its just the case of what happens when you don't take your chances. Going in 3 up at half time the second half looks alot different. Burnley came out up for it in the second half as they still had a chance and took it.
what is very obvious now is Maguire is not good enough we need to invest in a proper CB to play with Varane and a CM to sit in front of them , and Somehow get Rashford to start performing again.
Positives Sancho looked great , we create loads of chances . Dalot is far better than AWB and I thought Pogba played quite well.
We are a mess but hopefully Ralf and the manager cant start to help repair the damage .
what is very obvious now is Maguire is not good enough we need to invest in a proper CB to play with Varane and a CM to sit in front of them , and Somehow get Rashford to start performing again.
Positives Sancho looked great , we create loads of chances . Dalot is far better than AWB and I thought Pogba played quite well.
We are a mess but hopefully Ralf and the manager cant start to help repair the damage .
It seems to be a long running thing. Ole sent them out unprepared, then got a performance in second half. Ralf's more energetic tactics appears to wear this lot out by HT. Think it has been going on before that. Team of one half.Think we need to look at the energy levels of the players and their attitude to any adversity.
Think they are going to need a striking option of some sort as well. Sancho can create all the lad likes, no good if the strikers waste those chances.
Anyone else think Weghorst was lucky to not be sent off? If I remember right, he was late and stood on Dalots foot (Even when the camera pans to Rodriguez he's looking sheepishly at Dean) that should've been a booking but didn't get booked. Then in the 2nd half he was late on McTominay resulting in McTominay limping around, should've been a booking but didn't get booked, again.
The VAR decisions were garbage. The first was disallowed because Maguire was offside and interfering with the goal. The only complainer was VAR. Nobody appealed. Rodriguez who was blocked would not have had an effect on the goal. Nobody appealed either for the Pogba 'foul'. Both could and should have been given. But as against Boro we had more than enough opportunities to win comfortably. So not an excuse
Maguire should not start again thus season
Strangest thing is why our finishing has become so poor and non commital. Cavani's miss was a prime example
Strangest thing is why our finishing has become so poor and non commital. Cavani's miss was a prime example
I actually feel we’re improving and becoming a team. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t feel ralf is the messiah but we look better than under OGS.
Still 2 huge problems to resolve with maguire and Ronaldo.
Still 2 huge problems to resolve with maguire and Ronaldo.
VAR was shit. In terms of fouls He and Maguire should never have finished the 90 mintues
Ref's don't ref decisions. They ref narratives. I am convinced they are under orders to make games as close and entertaining as possible.
If we go 2 or 3 up, it's game over but the TV "spectacle" is ruined.
If we go 2 or 3 up, it's game over but the TV "spectacle" is ruined.
Think Varane is alright, very elegant. Would be wise if he doesn't look to his left or he will be a nervous wreck.
Yeah agree. It always seems we are 3 or 4 players away from a good functioning team
Yeah i can't really fault Varane, has his injury issues but when you're playing with Maguire that can't be fun for anyone.
Bad recruitment. Listening to agents and to be honest social media rather than their scouts. This is where they need to listen to Ralf. Stop wasting all summer trying to get the glamour signings, get the right signing, even if it isn't a sexy name.
This isnt the worst Man Utd I ever seen although to be fair its not that far off. But its the most directionless. I cant believe how bad this club has become since Fergie left - its chalk and cheese. Remember when players were devastated to leave Man Utd - now they are queuing to get out. We are taking decent players and turning them into clowns. Harry Maguire must be desperate to get back to Leicester so he can play for a club with direction and with players who give everything for the shirt.
The whole team is a mess top to btm - next season we are looking at a strikeforce of Rashford who is piss poor at the moment and I mean piss poor. Sancho who doesnt look like the player he was at Dortmund, maybe we shouldnt have bought him given our track record with dortmund players but thats another story. Elanga - way way to raw. Greenwood - hmmm maybe not. A Midfield of Fred and Mct and Bruno - that is getting ripped to pieces time and time again. The back 4 - you might as well put the names in a hat and go with the first 4 out.
De Gea - still there though for how long who knows - he must be thinking feck this.
Shambles - and will take 2-3 years to resolve and thats with a manager who has vision and more importantly time. At the minute we have 4 managers signings making up that squad - feckin mess and embarassing to boot. Sick of it.
The whole team is a mess top to btm - next season we are looking at a strikeforce of Rashford who is piss poor at the moment and I mean piss poor. Sancho who doesnt look like the player he was at Dortmund, maybe we shouldnt have bought him given our track record with dortmund players but thats another story. Elanga - way way to raw. Greenwood - hmmm maybe not. A Midfield of Fred and Mct and Bruno - that is getting ripped to pieces time and time again. The back 4 - you might as well put the names in a hat and go with the first 4 out.
De Gea - still there though for how long who knows - he must be thinking feck this.
Shambles - and will take 2-3 years to resolve and thats with a manager who has vision and more importantly time. At the minute we have 4 managers signings making up that squad - feckin mess and embarassing to boot. Sick of it.
Dont think the centre of defence is a priority. lindelof and Varane are good, just need a reliable backup with the 20m we get for shipping out maguire.
We just need a midfielder (or two) and a striker to start.
We just need a midfielder (or two) and a striker to start.
We’re definitely controlling games for long periods now. I suppose that’s a positive. Quite happy with Rangnick so far, let’s see if we can start being more ruthless. (Tbf we were 3 up early on)
Its taken me a while but ive come to the conclusion this team is full of bottlers. ( apologies for the delay ).
Too many times these players lose in semi finals or finals, they constantly fold when teams come back at them, its happened under various managers and yet we still get the same outcome.
Other than a total revamp of the squad, Im not sure what a new manager could do with this lot.
Too many times these players lose in semi finals or finals, they constantly fold when teams come back at them, its happened under various managers and yet we still get the same outcome.
Other than a total revamp of the squad, Im not sure what a new manager could do with this lot.
I just don’t think it’s realistic to expect Rangnick to suddenly work wonders with this squad, it’s quite clearly not up to the standard required and he is having to work with a decade of abysmal squad management and recruitment.
I know we all like to get angry during and immediately after the game, myself included, but on reflection we have to accept that this squad is simply nowhere near the standard required, half the squad want shipping out and a top to bottom overhaul of recruitment and coaching is needed. I have faith Ralf can take us in the right direction but ultimately he’s not a magician and this won’t happen over night.
We were robbed last night and on Friday, have some faith. This was always going to be painful.
I know we all like to get angry during and immediately after the game, myself included, but on reflection we have to accept that this squad is simply nowhere near the standard required, half the squad want shipping out and a top to bottom overhaul of recruitment and coaching is needed. I have faith Ralf can take us in the right direction but ultimately he’s not a magician and this won’t happen over night.
We were robbed last night and on Friday, have some faith. This was always going to be painful.
Get Varane and Lindelof back in.. when they had those few games together they looked really good. Maguire should be nothing more than a back up.. cannot believe how much we actually paid for him.
Sancho and Elanga need to start a few games, and at this point I’d debate sticking McNeil up top to get some goals, at least he knows where the goal is.
Sancho and Elanga need to start a few games, and at this point I’d debate sticking McNeil up top to get some goals, at least he knows where the goal is.
Haaland must be the top target in regards to signing a striker, I'm not looking at anyone else.
People saying it was a good performance seem to forget that we played a team bottom of the league with just one win all season & as far as I can recall we didn't have a shot on target in the 2nd half, that is not my idea of a "good performance"
I always used to defend him. Did a 180 on that after his cupped ear celebration after scoring against Albania or some other diddy team. Mocking utd supporters for the justified criticism was disgusting, from the captain as well. Albania seems to be his level though. Sooner he's gone, the better.
Man of the Match
Runners-up
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25%
Paul Pogba
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8%
Raphael Varane
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6%
David de Gea
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3%
Bruno Fernandes
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3%
Diogo Dalot
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1%
Luke Shaw
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1%
Scott McTominay
Player Ratings
Total Average Rating
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Compiled from 223 ratings.
Score Predictions
151,28,28
- Man Utd win
- Burnley win
- Draw
Detailed Results
- 21% Burnley 0:2 Man Utd
- 19% Burnley 1:2 Man Utd
- 13% Burnley 0:1 Man Utd
- 9% Burnley 1:1 Man Utd
- 9% Burnley 0:3 Man Utd
- 7% Burnley 1:0 Man Utd
- 6% Burnley 1:3 Man Utd
- 4% Burnley 0:4 Man Utd
- 3% Burnley 0:0 Man Utd
- 3% Burnley 2:1 Man Utd
- 2% Burnley 2:0 Man Utd
- 1% Burnley 5:0 Man Utd
- 1% Burnley 1:4 Man Utd
- 1% Burnley 0:5 Man Utd
- 0% Burnley 2:2 Man Utd
- 0% Burnley 2:5 Man Utd
- 0% Burnley 3:0 Man Utd
- 0% Burnley 5:5 Man Utd
Match Stats
- Burnley
- Man Utd
- Possession
- 36% 64%
- Shots
- 9 22
- Shots on Target
- 3 5
- Corners
- 2 10
- Fouls
- 11 10
Referee
Mike Dean
Man Utd Lineup
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replaced by Jesse Lingard
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replaced by Anthony Elanga
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replaced by Cristiano Ronaldo
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